reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
The problem with solutions is that they are not answers and are only methods by which to obtain answers. If the solution used generates the correct
answer and can repeatedly do so, it is a worthy method of arriving at answers, if solutions do not arrive at correct answers, then the solutions are
If we are to find answers to our problems we must first understand the questions. The questions you bring up are crisis and corruption. The question
of crisis is a perpetual one as crisis' will happen regardless of how much effort is placed in preventing them. This is not to say that efforts at
preventing crisis' shouldn't be made, and the ability to predict the outcome of any given action is a necessary tool for all people.
Let us, for the moment, put crisis management aside and first address corruption and the solutions you offered to answer the question of corruption.
The first solution you offer is:
Tax Form Check Boxes:
Before addressing this, it should be said that taxes are necessary to keep the slow and cumbersome wheels of government moving. However, taxation is
also the greatest source of government corruption and when that government is able to tax with impunity, the corruption that follows is easily
The Constitution for the United States of America grants Congress the complete and plenary power of taxation for the federal government. Some would
argue, as mnemeth1 has, that this power to tax should not even exist. Indeed, The Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union, that document that
preceded The Constitution did not grant any national government power to tax, and the national government was beholden to the states for any funding.
The states were not so willing to fund the national government and in many ways this reticence to fund the national government was what led to the
creation of The Constitution for the United States.
Because The United States of America was in deep debt due to the Revolution for American Independence, taxation was arguably a necessity, so the
Constitution granted Congress the power of taxation, but not with impunity. The principles of Constitutional taxation impose a few rules on
Congress' ability to tax. Congress may not levy any taxes on any articles exported from any state, (Article I, Section 9, Clause 5), and while
Congress certainly has been granted the power to collect taxes in the form of duties, imposts, and excises, these indirect forms of taxation must
remain uniform throughout the United States, (Article I, Section 8, Clause 1) and finally, no capitation or other direct tax can be laid unless it is
apportioned according to the census of enumeration mandated by Constitution, (Article I, Section 9, Clause 4).
I bring up these rule, or regulations of taxation imposed upon Congress to address your solution of a line item veto or approval of policy made
directly by the people. The tax form you speak of would be the tax return in regards to income taxation, and while you are suggesting that the wisdom
of the people is a solution in reigning in out of control government spending, it should be noted that the vast majority of "taxpayers", (a
specifically defined term within the tax code), do not even know if this so called "personal income tax" is a direct tax on property or an indirect
tax on some sort of activity.
What is the subject of the "income tax"? Is it a capitation tax or other direct tax, or is it an indirect tax on some sort of activity? If people
do not even know the answer to this, then what makes you think they know would know the answers to the check box questions you would have placed on a
It should be clear that because of the passage of the 16th Amendment that the "income tax" is not apportioned among the several states according to
any census of enumeration, and certainly not a capitation tax. However, too many people have erroneously assumed that the 16th Amendment "relieved"
Congress of the rule of apportionment in regards to income taxation. The SCOTUS has consistently ruled otherwise, beginning with two seminal rulings
in both the Brushaber and Stanton rulings, yet the vast majority of people have accepted the false claim that the income tax is a direct tax on income
not subject to the rule of apportionment. It is just not true and the SCOTUS continues to acknowledge the income tax that exists today in perpetuity,
as an indirect tax on specific activities.
What activities have been named by the tax code? Herein lies the real question and whatever solutions one uses to arrive at the answer, if they are
not taking the time to actually read the tax code, the solution becomes willful ignorance, and that is just not an answer. The reality of the tax
code is it is a five volume set written in such a tautological nature that it is not a wild stretch of imagination to assume that it was written this
way to purposely confuse and discourage the average person from understanding it. This is why the cottage industries of tax attorneys and tax
accountants has flourished. Do you honestly believe that in the beginning of this Constitutional United States that people turned to tax attorneys
and accountants to know if they were liable for a tax and if so how they must go about reporting their income in a lawful manner?
With the exception of a brief income tax passed during the Civil War in order to pay for that expense, income taxation was unheard of, and even the
oppressive taxes imposed by Britain that sparked the Revolution of American Independence to begin with did not come in the form of an income tax. The
perpetual income taxation of today was not even passed until 1913 which means it is not yet even 100 years old, yet for the 100 plus years that
preceded that income tax, The United States was able to function and operate without placing this remarkably stupid burden of filing tax returns on
the people. Since 1913, the corruption that has followed is legendary and has continued to fester and plague this nation like a cancer for close to
Your solution of a line item veto or approval of federal policy by using the tax return as a method only embraces a repugnant form of taxation that
has placed many Americans in the dubious position of offering up private information they should never have had to in order to continue funding the
corruption of a federal government. The reality is that most people are not even liable for this so called "personal income tax", and yet, this
statement will no doubt bring on furious debate where I will be called a liar, ignorant, and dangerous. I am not lying, nor am I ignorant and what is
dangerous is to continue paying taxes people are not even liable for. Would you pay your landlord 13 or 14 months rent each year? Would you pay the
grocer the price of two pounds of beef in exchange for one? Any person who would only invites corruption, and look what we have...unmitigated
corruption. Big surprise!
The tragedy is that most people, when assuming that the 16th Amendment gave Congress the authority to do what the Constitution expressly forbade is
that people don't understand that Congress cannot simply change what all ready exists in the Constitution by Amendment, and yet, while this did not
happen with the 16th Amendment, it certainly happened with the 17th Amendment and to the best of my knowledge, the 17th Amendment has never even been
The 17th Amendment also leads us to your next solution, that being a method of direct democracy through voting. Prior the passage of the 17th
Amendment, Senators were not elected by the people to Congress but were instead chosen by each states legislature. This was, and rightfully so,
viewed as an anti-democratic method. It was anti-democratic because our Founders were not so trusting of democracies, and understandably so.
Today, there are public school teacher, funded by taxes, who actually teach that the lynch pin of freedom is the ability to vote elected officials and
will spend scant time teaching about the significance of The Bill of Rights and inalienable rights in general. Voting is not even a right, it is a
privilege that comes with citizenship, but because the indoctrination has been so pervasive in teaching that voting is a right, today many people
believe that rights only exists for the citizens who have been granted rights by the government they supposedly created. How stupidly ironic is that?
On the one hand we are taught to believe that our Founders established a government in order to protect freedom, but accept that today this freedom
only exists due to governments benign willingness to allow it.
A direct democracy would no more protect the rights of people than has our own government today, and there have been several polls since 9/11 that
show that people are only to happy to give away freedom for the illusion of security, and when that illusion of security fades, the people don't
spend too much time questioning their own sanity or why they were willing to be so delusional, and instead look for solutions that would somehow keep
this delusion of security in place. The right to fight for ones delusions may be a right, but when that right is presented as a trump card that holds
supremacy over all other rights, again, that corruption exists and remains entrenched should be no surprise.
Finally, there is your solution of logos. Government today is all ready circus like and adding to this bizarre circus by creating just another form
of advertising for corporate clowns seems to be rather silly, and it is hard to understand precisely what it would accomplish other than a new form of
advertising for big business.
These solutions do not bring correct answers, and we must first deny ignorance if we are to find those answers.
[edit on 9-6-2010 by Jean Paul Zodeaux]