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MUFON:UFO Caught on Camera While Ghosthunting [Admin Update]

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posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 02:36 PM

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by cripmeister
reply to post by Maybe...maybe not

But how did the flower basket make it into the image? It somehow superimposed itself, yeah right. It's not even at the same angle.

How the hell should I know?

To quote the famous CaptainTyin'Knots.....

"Not my basket.....not my problem!"

Well can't you look it up in that Photoshop book of yours?
Just kidding.

posted on Jun, 20 2010 @ 07:43 AM
Forgive me for just stumbling on this and wishing to beat an expired equine... but seriously, WTH?????? And yes,I know it's now in the hoax bin, but I think some folks at the 'Society of the Unknown', need to do some explaining...

Lemme get this straight, the story is that it 'somehow' superimposed itself? Yeah, sure, that happens all the time with digitals...

Let's consider the possibilities:

1. Burnt pixels, ie an afterimage.
Yes, a 'burnt-in' image could conceivably get 'left' on a CCD, but only if there was an *extremely* overexposed image taken of that object, immediately, ie less than a minute or so, before. And naturally that image - of a close, overexposed flower basket - would have been pretty (insert favorite word) obvious when the images were offloaded for use. If the afterimage lasted longer than that, it would pretty much have to be permanent damage - that 'thing ' would be showing in every dark image from thenceforth.

2. Some sort of data corruption,
where two image files were 'tangled'. Sorry, but this simply doesn't happen like that - data corruption means a broken-up image, NOT a superimposed one. The structure of a typical image file makes 'superimposition' impossible by this method.

3. A deliberate or accidental double exposure.
Yes, some cameras have this ability (but I don't think the A20 does..). if they can, they store one image temporarily, and then when the second is taken, 'adds' the first image and then saves the final result. Problem is, you can't really do this accidentally - you would still have to deliberately take the first(second) image of the flower basket up close. There's another problem - the flower basket part of the image is very seriously underexposed, yet it was clearly close to the camera - on an automatic camera like this, that is EXTREMELY unlikely to happen, unless done deliberately to get the desired 'faintly visible' effect..

Beyond that, you are talking image editing, ie the dreaded 'photoshopping'.

(It's a pity this term gives Adobe free advertising every time it is used...)

Frankly, imnsho, someone has some explaining to do, and it sure looks like they are trying to cover up being busted. I'd love to see someone from the 'Society' come here and explain the situation in detail (and defend their reputation, if any). I would suggest that at the very least, their methodologies and preservation of 'chain of evidence' will be proven to be SEVERELY lacking. An examination of the original data card used to store the images would almost certainly reveal what really happened, but I'll BET that card is 'no longer available' or has 'inadvertently been written over'. Anyone else care to bet?

And it may be a little unkind to say this, but they used a Pentax Optio A20??? That is, frankly, an extremely mediocre (aka awful) compact camera, and does not reflect well on their 'scientific approach'. (Sorry, Pentax - your DSLR's are quite excellent, but your compact digitals SUCK (there's one exception, but it's not the A20), and they are particularly badly suited to night photography (see all that grain/noise..?))

And as for an earlier comment "That kind of photoshop skill doesn't exist as far as I have ever seen." ?? That person needs to get out more. Layers and transparency (ie no cloning) will do that easily. Bringing up a faint object via layering is simple, virtually leaves no trace whatsoever, and the object will appear 'behind' things simply because of the brightness differences. All you then need to do is not let your editing be shown up in exif, which has been shown above - quite easy.

Anyway, I'd love to be proved wrong, and shown that this was an 'accident' (in which case I will apologise for the sentiments above and withdraw them), but it sure doesn't look like one to me... Someone has some 'splaining to do...

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