Originally posted by jam321
Sure they can. But your doing exactly what others are doing, assuming. Do you have proof of the grapefruit size rocks in this incident?
I'm not blindly assuming, I'm basing my ideas of what likely happened off of past incidents. There is a video out there right now of a very similar
incident, where BP agents are apprehending one suspect, and several Mexican youth are holding rocks MUCH larger than grapefruits, threatening to throw
them at the agents, who draw their weapons and those particular youths do not throw the rocks at that point.
We know in this incident they are throwing rocks, as a voice can be heard in Spanish from the person filming saying "they're throwing rocks!" I
can't imagine them being pebbles, what would be the point?
The smuggler part is an afterthought. At the moment of the incident, I don't believe the officer had time to identify. My friend confirmed this side
of the kid. It shows he isn't what his parents thought.
I'm sure you of all people know that when adrenaline is flowing, and you fear for yours or your comrades safety, time to clearly identify is scarce.
And he was a repeat offender, how could his parents REALLY not know what he was involved in?
What you are seeing from Mexico is an act they have to put on to show their people that they are standing up to the US.
Their people are routinely murdered by the cartels, they're the ones they need to stand up to. Unfortunately, the cartels run the military down
You should know how the media works.
I agree with you there, "if it bleeds, it leads" as it goes. Just seems there's so much bleeding down there, this would be a non-story compared to
the recent Juarez slaughter of a truly innocent teen's boxing party, by two truckloads of armed thugs who most likely had the wrong party. They
wasted like 12 people, maybe more, for nothing.
Spreading rumors that only lead to fear isn't going to help this situation. As far as who side I will take, you need not worry about. I know who I am
and what I stand for.
That's why I stated it was a rumor, I don't know if it's true or not.
Your feeling is wrong. I detest being called a racist.
That makes two of us. I've NEVER been one to hate anybody because of something as trivial as skin color. Living in Phoenix, I see daily the costs of
illegal immigration, both to our city, and to the poor exploited souls being held hostage by coyotes and working for peanuts. It has NOTHING to do
with latino folks who come here legally, or were born here. They are Americans, just like me.
Look at this thread and others like it and you will find many people slamming all Mexicans. In America, people don't call brown skin people
Americans, they recognize them as Mexicans.
Dude, you have to admit, many call themselves
Mexicans, even if they're born here. Give me a couple weekends hanging out in the desert or by
the pool, and I'm darker than my latino friends, I always show them up with my darkness, and I'm "white". Personally, I wish skin color meant
NOTHING. If we were at the border of Germany, and Germans were sneaking over here, and absorbing resources meant to help Americans in times of need, I
would feel the SAME way. Yet, those of us who support stopping illegal immigration are compared to Nazis. My father and I saved a capsized boat full
of illegals without life jackets, who couldn't speak english and did NOT want to talk to the rangers about recovering their boat. We didn't give a
crap about their skin color, they were human beings.
I don't know if he has taken lives, neither do you.
Well, knowing how the cartels that recruit these smugglers work, since they've gotten fried out on meth instead of coke, it's a good bet he's
killed. Either way, he was trying to kill that BP agent, why would the agent just want to kill in cold blood, after all the other chances he would
have gotten and didn't?
The thing is that every time this illegal stuff comes up, Americans who are Hispanic catch hell as well from the authorities.
The bill in AZ is very clear, in that you must be pulled over or stopped in the process of violating a law, before you can be asked about your
citizenship. The rhetoric about being pulled over simply for having brown skin is insane. We have ALOT of eastern europeans, as well as asians and
middle easterners here, if they're not here lawfully, they will be subject to this law as well. A good percentage of our officers are hispanic, and
living here in Phoenix, our population is very diverse as are our police.
I am not against border security or keeping illegals out, but many aspects of our government has cost us more than the illegals have. Yet, my fellow
Americans seem content to let it keep happening.
I agree, our government is SO corrupt, this is just one of MANY things they will ignore because big businesses pay them to. The government doesn't
run anything, corporations do, and they like the cheap labor. The Mexican government is even worse. We're sinking here in the U.S., while Mexicos
unemployment rate is 4%. Most of the wealth and resources there are untapped, and owned by the elitists. They are happy to give their malcontents
brochures and tell them everything they need is up here, which makes things better for the corrupt elite in Mexico, and worse for us up here, already
Mexico doesn't want conflict.
Well, I dunno. It seems pretty crazy that their police forces pulled weapons on our FBI agents trying to investigate the shooting scene. Don't kow if
you heard about that, but there was a standoff that is almost similar to the demilitarized zone in Korea.
Anyway, I do take back my racist statement.
[edit on 11-6-2010 by 27jd]