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Border Patrol agent kills 15-year-old boy in Texas after rocks were thrown

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posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by wylekat
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but consider the situation the officer was in, and ask yourself, what would you have done?


As someone who HAS had crap thrown at him by Mexicans- I'd have shot the little bastard too.

And before any of you bleeding hearts start calling me some sort of monster- you are WRONG! I'm what's called fed up- And you can put this in the bank and you can get interest off it- The Border patrol is well past more fed up with it than I could EVER get. I never met a more frustrated bunch of people in my life..... The all time show stopper was the BP agent who had a Mexican accent so thick, you needed a chainsaw to cut thru it who told me he went to Wal Mart, and the clerks refused to serve him, because he didn't speak Spanish! The disgust, the frustration.... it was coming off him in waves.

I am amazed more dont end up riddled with bullet holes, run over, and just plain kicked into a paste, to be honest.


Wait you would have "shot the little Mexican bastard if he was throwing things at you." But Mexicans have actually thrown stuff at you and you have not shot them? Why is that... do tell. Is it because you would not do that in a civilized society but you would shoot across the border at a Mexican kid cause you new nothing would happen. Yeah your not a monster at all. But no maybe your not... maybe your just a coward... like I said its easy to be tough over the internet.... Actions friend, actions.

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Yes you're right, Mexico is a cesspool with corrupt politicians and the like. Politicians that went to school at Harvard and are supported by the American government. Spare us the sanctimonious babble.

People keep bringing up how bad Mexico is as if that excuses the injustices that are committed every day by border patrol. So what your saying is that the US should be the same. Don't be so hypocritical, you can't be land of the free and the ones that spread freedom and equality and then try to justify everything by saying Mexico does the same or worse.




posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 05:55 PM
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Dig a trench, pipe in the oil from that Gulf Coast gusher and light it up. Fence jumping problem solved.


As to the kid, yea...feel bad for his parents and for his early death.
As to the BPA, yea...stand behind the action all the way.

Cartels and Militia cross into US Border States all the time to rape, kidnap, murder and torture American citizens. They ship drugs in by the truck loads and take the money made back to Mexico. They use that money now to put a price on BPA heads. Under those circumstances, any sign of attack gets more heated than it might have in the past.

Picture this:
Let an American citizen be one hour late for leaving (how did someone put it?) Good Ole Mexico, and they spend 4-6 days in prison, knuckle deep with gangsters, thugs, murders and thieves (true story, I know one of the people that this happened to).
Let an American citizen run across that border and they will be shot on sight by (Good Ole) Mexican Federales.

But if one person is harmed crossing illegally into America....OMFG!!!! ON A PIKE!!! BURN THEM TO THE GROUND!!!

I hate that it was a kid, but I am glad the shot was fired.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 06:00 PM
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Just a quick search shows what our border agents have to deal with. And I would wonder how many of the bleeding hearts crying over the death of the rock-throwing teen would also cry over the border agents that were killed by illegal immigrants and criminals that entered illegally. What about the rancher that was MURDERED by illegals? He was actually trying to help many of them, but they still murdered him. How many of you bleeding hearts cried for him?

Manhunt Under Way for Injured Suspects in Border Patrol Agent Killing
www.foxnews.com...

Attacks on border agents escalate / Incidents mostly shootings, stonings in California, Texas
articles.sfgate.com...

And if you want to read about the dangers and incidents at the US-Mexico border read the following link:

Officials: US agents increasingly face dangerous attacks
www.elpasotimes.com...

All I can say is TS. That teen should have not been there, throwing rocks at the agents, or for that matter he should have just LEFT THE AREA as instructed by the agents. But no. He stayed. And helped attack two agents. And he paid for it with his lif. TS. If you are dumb enough to get into such a situation and get killed because of it, you wont get much pity from me.


Had this been a different story of the 15-year old getting murdered by gangs, or purposly targeted by the agents in an exectution style murder after being detained (like some of the federales do that are part of the drug-cartels muscle), then yes I would also be outraged and demand blood. But no, nothign like that happened. This person was with a group attacking OUR agents who are tasked with defending OUR border. And if the little b@sterd did manage to kill or severly injure the agent, what then? Would the bleeding hearts cry outrage for him too, or just shrug it off and say, oh well, it happens, the agents should be ready for it? Sorry, I'd rather it be one of theirs than one of ours, especially if ours is the one who has to have his butt on the line for OUR defense.

[edit on 6/9/2010 by GenRadek]



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 06:05 PM
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www.alipac.us...

(from 2006)
While working in San Luis last year, Vik said a Kevlar helmet protected him from a head injury when someone threw a terra cotta walking-stone on his head during a smuggling attempt.

It happened as about 30 illegal immigrants tried to spill over and slip under the corrugated metal fence that separates San Luis from Mexico. Once confronted by agents, the illegals turned back, then a hail of rocks started coming over the fence.

As he rounded up illegal immigrants, the walking stone landed on his head, Vik said.

"I was lucky I did," Vik said of his decision to wear the helmet, "because it was a heavy piece of debris."

Smugglers fire guns, pull knives or throw punch at agents, but the most common assault is rock throwing.

Smugglers throw rocks at agents who repair holes or plug burrows under border fences. Hurling objects also can serve as a diversion to hold off agents while the customers of smugglers try to get enough time to slip across the border.



One more article about the attacks on our border agents.

Sorry but when one of ours gets hurt or killed by these criminals, I feel no pity when they get put down in self-defense. Hell I'd shoot back too, and shoot to kill. I'm not taking any chances of them possibly coming back with more people, weapons, or both and assaulting any more agents. Its a war, and we cannot pretend its not happening.

[edit on 6/9/2010 by GenRadek]



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 06:11 PM
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people need to admit that shooting someone twice in the head for throwing rocks is wrong no matter which way you cut it. those of you saying it was justified sound like slick lawyers trying to get their client out of a murder wrap. warning shots or perhaps a non lethal shot to the legs or foot would have made those kids run for the hills. you cant tell me that the border agent was not aiming at the kids head. what are the odds of being pelted by rocks "dangerous enough to kill someone" and having enough time and patience to shoot someone twice in the head. wow thats one sharp shooting bp agent, they should put him at the front lines of iraq! some of you might prefer we put him on a pole and have him shoot at the illegals that try to cross the border.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 06:17 PM
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I very much doubt the agent took careful aim, right at the teen's head, and fired two shots quickly and controlled directly at the teen's head. Yeah especially if the teen was allegedly "farther away" on the Mexican side.

The agent fired at the offenders, and the teen was right there in the middle of them. I doubt he was off to side alone and unarmed with no rocks and the agent aimed at him purposely while the rest of the horde was actually throwing rocks at them.

Plus it takes a little skill to be able to aim and hit such a small target from such a distance, as is alleged in some of the articles, and not once but twice. But hey blindfire can do some strange things.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 06:21 PM
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I have already stated my position on this matter early on, but wanted to add one article showing how much violence has/is goes on in Juarez, the same city this incident occured in. If you have never been there before, you have no idea the amount of tension that exists, and the violence that goes on in that city, and in El Paso, Texas on a daily basis.
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Mexico: 13 Teens, Adults Killed at Party in Juarez
January 31st, 2010

Via: Houston Chronicle:

"Armed men stormed a party in this violent Mexican border city, killing 13 high school and college students in what witnesses said was an attack prompted by false information.

About two dozen teens and young adults were hospitalized after the late Saturday assault in Ciudad Juarez, a drug cartel-plagued city which is one of the deadliest in the world.

Grieving witnesses and family members told The Associated Press on Sunday they thought the victims, mostly residents of the housing complex where the attack occurred, had no ties to drug traffickers, .

“It must have been a huge mistake,” said Martha Lujan, who lives at the housing complex.

The young adults had gathered to watch a boxing match, Lujan said, when two trucks pulled up loaded with armed men who opened fire.

Ten people were killed at the scene and other three died at local hospitals, Chihuahua State Attorney Patricia Gonzales said.

The bodies of the victims, whose ages ranged from 15 to 20, lay scattered around the house where the attack happened.

A witness to the attacks said he was just outside when the gunfire broke out. Hector, who only gave his first name because he feared retaliation, said the party was an innocuous gathering of friends who must have been targeted incorrectly."
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Source:cryptogon.com...



[edit on 9-6-2010 by manta78]



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by 3vilscript

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

Originally posted by thedarklingthrush
Children of America watch out! Apparently a lot of our citizens feel that throwing rocks is an executable offense!

The days of working off that window you broke while playing childish games are over for now your crotchety old neighbor will just shoot you!

Sorry but rocks thrown across the Rio Grande aren't in danger of killing anyone, especially a professional law-enforcement agent. If they guy was so close to being killed why didn't the other people "surrounding him" kill him after he killed the boy?

You'd really stand for it if a cop or a national guardsman shot your kid for throwing rocks at him?

I used to have rocks throwing fights as a child for god sakes.

[edit on 9-6-2010 by thedarklingthrush]


You have erected a strawman. A kid throwing rocks and breaking a window on accident is nothing even close to a young man throwing rocks at LEO while harassing them.

you fail.


I've read your posts you buffoon, and quite frankly I am unimpressed.


Not as unimpressed as many here are when people resort to name-calling to try and make your point. Quite frankly, it says that you've got nothing worthwhile left to say.


You want to give the impression of being impartial because you are supposedly Hispanic, but I challenge you to show me an instance where the American public would condone the killing of a minor for throwing rocks, accidentally or otherwise. I seriously doubt the majority of the American people would agree with you.

A kid throwing rocks at law enforcement would be taken into custody not killed on the spot. It's funny how the people that cry out "We have laws" are the first ones to condone throwing them out the window for an agenda.


These are not Americans. They are foreign nationals from a lawless area of a corrupt country whose first act here is to break the law.



This is America!!!! We are civil here, the rest of the world may not be, but we are!!!!

[edit on 6/9/2010 by 3vilscript]


Pay attention! The rest of the uncivilized world is coming here as we "speak". Many are not coming here to become assimilated, law-abiding, democrat-voting Americans, they are coming for criminal reasons.

Appeasement will not change those facts.

[edit on 6/9/2010 by centurion1211]



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by UmbraSumus
Does anybody know what class of firearm such a Border Agent would be issued with .


Glock chambered in 40S&W I would assume. As it is a standard issue weapon for majority of law-enforcement agencies throughout the US. Not all of them though. Los Angeles County Sheriff's Office use Beretta 96F handguns. And Cincinatti PD in Ohio uses Smith & Wesson M&P40 Handguns.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by 3vilscript

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

Originally posted by thedarklingthrush
Children of America watch out! Apparently a lot of our citizens feel that throwing rocks is an executable offense!

The days of working off that window you broke while playing childish games are over for now your crotchety old neighbor will just shoot you!

Sorry but rocks thrown across the Rio Grande aren't in danger of killing anyone, especially a professional law-enforcement agent. If they guy was so close to being killed why didn't the other people "surrounding him" kill him after he killed the boy?

You'd really stand for it if a cop or a national guardsman shot your kid for throwing rocks at him?

I used to have rocks throwing fights as a child for god sakes.

[edit on 9-6-2010 by thedarklingthrush]


You have erected a strawman. A kid throwing rocks and breaking a window on accident is nothing even close to a young man throwing rocks at LEO while harassing them.

you fail.


I've read your posts you buffoon, and quite frankly I am unimpressed.


Not as unimpressed as many here are when people resort to name-calling to try and make your point. Quite frankly, it says that you've got nothing worthwhile left to say.


You want to give the impression of being impartial because you are supposedly Hispanic, but I challenge you to show me an instance where the American public would condone the killing of a minor for throwing rocks, accidentally or otherwise. I seriously doubt the majority of the American people would agree with you.

A kid throwing rocks at law enforcement would be taken into custody not killed on the spot. It's funny how the people that cry out "We have laws" are the first ones to condone throwing them out the window for an agenda.


These are not Americans. They are foreign nationals from a lawless area of a corrupt country whose first act here is to break the law.



This is America!!!! We are civil here, the rest of the world may not be, but we are!!!!

[edit on 6/9/2010 by 3vilscript]


Pay attention! The rest of the uncivilized world is coming here as we "speak". Many are not coming here to become assimilated, law-abiding, democrat-voting Americans, they are coming for criminal reasons.

Appeasement will not change those facts.

[edit on 6/9/2010 by centurion1211]


Read the posts... I apologized to the man for the name calling. Your a bit late to the party.

When did I say they were Americans? Well United States citizens cause they are Americans. Also read the article... the kid was shot on the Mexican side where is the outrage of a border patrol agent firing into a sovereign nation?

I remember when some immigrant allegedly fired at border patrol from Mexico into the US everyone was crying high crime, and said it was an act of war. Where is the moral outrage now?

Many are coming for criminal reasons? I'm sure of it. But show me some numbers where it says that the majority are coming for the same reasons. And then tell me how you would treat all of them the same. And answer this, because the rest of the uncivilized world is coming here we must act equally uncivil?

They used to say things like that about African slaves "oh they are not human, they are less then us, they act like animals." They turned out to be good hard working people, they always were.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by conspiracy nut
people need to admit that shooting someone twice in the head for throwing rocks is wrong no matter which way you cut it. those of you saying it was justified sound like slick lawyers trying to get their client out of a murder wrap.


I'm not a slick lawyer, just a person who once spent time in a hospital recovering from a head injury when accidentally hit by a rock, and also hit purposely with a rock in a separate incident with no hospitalization necessary (pretty bad nevertheless). If you throw anything heavier than a pebble at my person, expect lethal response.

Please stop talking about this rock as a piece of styrofoam, you look stupid. Guy dead ? Good riddance.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 08:31 PM
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I need not show a report to prove that they come here for a criminal reason. The very fact that they are here is criminal. "ILLEGAL immigrant".



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 08:55 PM
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US Border Patrol agents actually carry the Beretta Brigadier pistol (the civilian version of the Model 92FS issued to the US military). In theory agents can also carry Remington Model 870 shotguns and AR-15 rifles but in reality the patrol supervisors rarely allow this due to fears of offending the Mexicans.

EDIT: there are reports that Mexican Army soldiers have crossed the border near the shooting site and appear to have either taken or planted evidence from the location where the USBP agent fired the shots.

[edit on 9-6-2010 by ChrisF231]



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by ChrisF231
In theory agents can also carry Remington Model 870 shotguns and AR-15 rifles but in reality the patrol supervisors rarely allow this due to fears of offending the Mexicans.


Sure, the main concern of the supervisors is the delicate feelings of these exalted human beings, the Mexicans.

These supervisors need to be fired. Issue surplus AK-47 to the people who protect our nation. With a drum type of clip. It works miracles. "People who say the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered automatic weapons".



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by thedarklingthrush

Wow this is straight out of the West Bank and Gaza. This is only gonna make the Israeli debate rage harder as now its being brought home.

I don't think it will be too long until people start drawing comparisons between Israeli treatment of Palestinians and American treatment of Mexicans, if stuff like this continues to happen


Ummmm...............no. This isnt the same as whats going on in Gaza. You see, in Gaza, the people throwing stones and getting shot are in their own country, throwing rocks at illegal aliens, trying to drive them out.

In America, the people throwing stones in this case were the illegal aliens, being shot by the people in their own country, whose job it is to keep them out. See the difference?

If we were in THEIR country, shooting them for throwing rocks, THEN you could say it was similar.

Im sorry the kid got shot, but I blame his parents more than the Border Patrol officer. He should have been raised better than to think throwing rocks at armed officers is a good idea.

I dont know the circumstances, and it is possible they were pebbles, and this was out of control overkill, but if they were hefty, well aimed rocks he did what he had to do.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 09:26 PM
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"People who say the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered automatic weapons".



I like that one, I think ill be adding that to my jargon!

And yes, you are 100% correct but as long as we have clowns like Obama and Napolitano calling the shots it will just be the status quo as usual ... and people like Bob Krentz will continue to pay the price of unguarded borders.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 09:31 PM
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Originally posted by ChrisF231
And yes, you are 100% correct but as long as we have clowns like Obama and Napolitano calling the shots it will just be the status quo as usual ... and people like Bob Krentz will continue to pay the price of unguarded borders.


Bush was no better. His brother was bending over backward to appease the Hispanics. Which would be OK if appeasement did not include the idiotic border policy.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 10:10 PM
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guns and bullets vs rocks. you are justifying those actions? calling me stupid? stick and "stones" will break my bones but names will never hurt me. all you people who justify the bp's response, i'm sorry that your life is so crappy and that the illegals have made such a negative impact on your life, but shooting a rock throwing 15 yr old is not the answer.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by conspiracy nut
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guns and bullets vs rocks. you are justifying those actions? calling me stupid? stick and "stones" will break my bones but names will never hurt me. all you people who justify the bp's response, i'm sorry that your life is so crappy and that the illegals have made such a negative impact on your life, but shooting a rock throwing 15 yr old is not the answer.


Do a little experiment for us:

Have a few of your friends start throwing rocks at you. If you are conscious, come back and tell us all about it.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 10:18 PM
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The biggest issue in all of this is if the agent shot into Mexico.

It is a murky story and details are sketchy.




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