Top 5 Reasons I Think Christians are Anti-Christs

reply to post by Esoteric Teacher


Ouch...

...turns the other cheek. Ok, go ahead.

May the Spirit of Jesus Christ fill you with His love, joy and peace.

reply to post by Aresh Troxit

About God being an atheist, you can hardly blame it for that as He is the only one who doesn't need to believe in Himself as believing means "taking for truth without proof". And I do not believe God needs to prove Himself, to himself. We do. By believing in Him.

Really ?

Don't you believe in your self ? Or Do you ?
Why should God be different. We are made in his image.

The idea there is a law where he has to say he is the one God.

Are there other Gods ?

reply to post by No King but Jesus


a product of christian democracies' governance:

I, (Esoteric Teacher), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
________________________________________
Firefighters cannot forget, we shall always remember
What occurred within us because of the 11th of September

The Fireman’s Prayer:

When I am called to duty, God
whenever flames may rage,
Give me the strength to save some life
Whatever be its age.
Help me to embrace a little child
Before it’s too late,
Or some older person
from the horror of that fate.
Enable me to be alert
And hear the weakest shout,
And quickly and efficiently
to put the fire out.
I want to fill my calling
and give the best in me,
To guard my neighbor
And protect his property.
And if according to Your will
I have to lose my life,
Please bless with Your protecting hand
My children and my wife


Two phrases, identical ingredients:
Trusty Fire Lord: alpha omega
all of our “the great pyramids”


firefighters cannot forget, we shall always remember
what happened to us on the eleventh of september

reply to post by Sinter Klaas


In my post, the word need was emphasized to mean that He, as you and me, each for our selves, do not need ( scientific ) proof of our existences, now, do we?

I believe in myself in the sense you mean. I understand that very clearly.

Our belief in Him, called faith, isn't the same as the belief to accomplish something. It's like comparing butter to margarine...

reply to post by Violater1


you again?

don't you have something more interesting to do than direct internet forum traffic at topics you profess, indirectly, to have no interest in?

because it appears, from your actions, that you ARE interested; albeit in a clandestine fashion.

i think it is fair to point out these "perceivable" inconsistancies with some christians' logic, not that there is not some measure of truth in the christian dogmas, it just isn't a thing most christian leaders openly teach. besides, if they gave the last lesson, then who would come to church?

christians cannot offer absolute proof of where they come from
christians cannot offer absolute proof of where they are going

christians believe they can offer absolute proof that they know where it is we are...

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
Let's play a game. it is called monopoly.
you start off in jail, and i'll start off on boardwalk.

does this not present a parrallel comparison?
do you think i'm going to sell you, or give you broadway at any point?
will that somehow help me win the game?

I don't think that's a fair illustration, because you assume there has to be loss for one party for another to gain. In your comparison, if I understand it correctly, a Christian sharing Christ and what He's done causes them to lose something so that the person they're sharing it with gains something. However, this isn't the case at all; it's more like finding a spring that never runs dry and bringing as many people to that water source in the desert as you can because you have compassion for them.

The other way I could look at your illustration is that the Christian is the one in jail and the non-Christian is the one on boardwalk. In this scenario, the belief would be that the Christian is trapped and incapable of living life while you live it up and wouldn't want to share anything of boardwalk because you wouldn't want to give someone else an advantage or some help to beat you in the "game" (life). If that was the intention, I think it addresses a fundamental misunderstanding of Christianity. And of life, for that matter.

First, there's this idea that Christians are miserable, can't live life, etc. because they're in this prison of religion. This is completely untrue, though. In the very Bible it says, "All things are permissible." It says we (Christians) can do all things because the sacrifice of Christ covers it. It does go on to say, "but all things are not beneficial" in the same verse. To believe that this is untrue of folks outside of Christianity is foolish. So many people rebel and decide to do things that get them into a prison of their own based on those decisions. Taking heroin, for example -- after you get onto that bandwagon, it can kill you to get off. You're stuck there. Anorexia -- it becomes an addiction that can kill you. Tobacco, alcohol, and even money can all have the same effect.

Second, there's also this idea that pastors, priests and other leaders of a church are super greedy and the congregation is just plain gullible and seeks to buy its way into heaven. Again, this is a misconception. Misers are not happy people. They hoard their money and think that everyone is trying to steal it. Folks who give generously and never attach a "I'm gonna win at life by having the most" mentality to their finances tend to be significantly happier. Money can be an addiction, just like anything else. The whole idea of tithing is, in part, a reminder to me and others that, in the end, I'm not taking any of this stuff with me, so why have such an attachment to it.

As to church leaders being greedy bastards seeking to milk you for every cent... Well, if that were the case, why wouldn't there be a cover charge coming into the church? Most churches have a mortgage. Most churches that have their own building have a full time staff. Most churches have to maintain that church when things break or pluming backs up. Most churches ask their leadership to work for the church full time instead of having a full time job on the side. And most churches give a significant portion of their funds to other organizations spreading the same message. In America and the West, doing all of these things is not cheap. You're not going to get someone to quit their job and work full time as a volunteer if their family's going to starve as a result. Are there folks that take advantage of this and milk people for all they're worth out of greed? Of course -- there's slimeballs in every organization everywhere who see something as a chance to make money. Does that mean that everyone does? Nope.

reply to post by Esoteric Teacher


Gotta laugh at this post.

So, Christians are against themselves?

Oh please.

As to church leaders being greedy bastards seeking to milk you for every cent... Well, if that were the case, why wouldn't there be a cover charge coming into the church? Most churches have a mortgage. Most churches that have their own building have a full time staff. Most churches have to maintain that church when things break or pluming backs up. Most churches ask their leadership to work for the church full time instead of having a full time job on the side. And most churches give a significant portion of their funds to other organizations spreading the same message. In America and the West, doing all of these things is not cheap. You're not going to get someone to quit their job and work full time as a volunteer if their family's going to starve as a result. Are there folks that take advantage of this and milk people for all they're worth out of greed? Of course -- there's slimeballs in every organization everywhere who see something as a chance to make money. Does that mean that everyone does? Nope.

Just wanted to state that in the Mormon religion ALL folks are NOT paid to serve what is called their "calling" and do not recieve any type of payment from offerings. This includes the pastors, teachers, and staff of the organization. That being said, they do collect to help support the facility in which they all amass to worship, the rest go to communities in which they live and help sponser their missionaries. Now Im not religious to any extent, but I just thought this should be pointed out, cause it is possible for priests and church workers to opperate without funding.