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Adultery charge a first in Genesee County

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posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by burdman30ott6
I'm not seeing it. Of course I didn't see what the big deal was over Heidi Fleis, either and she looks (and apparently acts) similarly.


When Hugh Grant was caught cheating on Elizabeth Hurley with a prostitute, a rather tactless comment began circulating: "When you're used to having steak every night, sometimes you just want a little fast food." I suppose that's the case with many men--they just like the "I'm probably on drugs and do not care for personal hygiene" look, either all the time or part of the time. Fortunately, I've never met a desirable man who did...that I know of.




posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 09:39 PM
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YAY !!!! I am so Happy They are enforcing the LAW.. Since adultery is ILLEGAL !

Every person in the USA who commits this crime should be charged with it. This is Wonderful! I hope the judge throws the book at this woman.. as well as the guy and whatever they were able to charge him with.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 09:44 PM
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Originally posted by Violater1

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
I read about her having sex, but where does it say she was naked?




Oh the joys of being literate.

Did you try to read the story in both of the links?


He's right you know, she could have still had her clothes on and just moved things around a bit for access. I will not go into detail, I have never done it, but in my time managing meat markets I've seen it happen. Never saw people's bits though.

What a nasty female, not sure why they just didn't slap her with Public Lewdness and call it a day though. Perhaps it was so egregious they wanted to punish her harshly for it.



[edit on 8-6-2010 by antonia]



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by burdman30ott6

Originally posted by truthseeker1984
She was 41 and her "lover" was 27. Although, she's still hot for a 41 year old....


The definition of "hot" must have changed since I got married.



I'm not seeing it. Of course I didn't see what the big deal was over Heidi Fleis, either and she looks (and apparently acts) similarly.


She looked better at her courtroom appearance on television tonight.



Peace be with you.

-truthseeker



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 10:44 PM
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She should be made an example of. Not because she committed adultery, she committed it in a children's play area while the children and parents were around. It shows a charecteristic of animal behaviour like a dog doing it in public. Then let her be treated harshly. As for her husband i cant imagine how he was holding her hand after knowing where it was just before a while.
She must be given tough sentence mainly for doing it around children's play area.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 12:54 AM
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Good I hope they prosecute her all the way, she deserves it. If her husband forgives her and walks into court holding her hand, so be it that's his decision, personally though I think he's an idiot for doing so. What really gets me is her lack of concern for her own children who will now be humiliated by their mother's actions plastered all over the news, poor kids.

If she's prosecuted the most she can get is 90 days, I think she deserves more having sex in a location like that with children present, what a skank.



She later told a news conference it was a private matter between her and her husband.


She gave up her right to privacy the minute she decided to have sex on a picnic table in a public park.

She sure didn't seem to want it to be a private matter while she was knockin boots in full view of children.



The press conference revealed few new details but the woman offered more information to television and radio reporters during the day Monday, claiming that no one at the park could see her.


thedailynewsonline.com...


Obviously people could see her, or they wouldn't have been calling the police





Corona told a Rochester television reporter that "no sex occurred" and that she was sorry it happened.


thedailynewsonline.com...


Police reports note that both Corona and Amend denied they were having sex, but according to court documents, Corona later admitted to police that they were.


abcnews.go.com...


I wonder if she's related to him.....





posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 01:14 AM
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Another reason why the law is a complete waste of time.

Adultery should not be illegal. It might hurt people who care for you, but that doesn't make it illegal. People get hurt everyday. That's life.

Rules lawyers can stay the hell away from what people choose to do in their own time!

(I'm ignoring the sex in public part, as it's not relevant to the charge of adultery.)



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 01:27 AM
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Originally posted by chaosinorder
She should be made an example of.
She must be given tough sentence mainly for doing it around children's play area.

Exactly, this is simply a matter of the police stacking charges to ensure a harsh as possible conviction on them for their actions. The more charges they stack, the harder it is for a jury to dismiss all the individual charges.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 01:38 AM
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Originally posted by defcon5
The more charges they stack, the harder it is for a jury to dismiss all the individual charges.

Why should a jury have to listen to these charges of adultery, when many other people commit the same 'offence' on a daily basis - without ever being charged?

I wonder how many judges, lawyers, police officers, politicians and common jury members have also committed adultery without ever being charged? The law is an ASS.

Sure, having sex near enough to children isn't the smartest thing to do, but would the reaction have been the same if it was with her husband?



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 01:54 AM
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Originally posted by tezzajw
Why should a jury have to listen to these charges of adultery, when many other people commit the same 'offence' on a daily basis - without ever being charged?

Charge stacking is something law enforcement does to make sure charges stick. The idea is that the more charges they stack the better chance that one will stick after some are plead down. Police frequently use resisting arrest as a stacked charge, that is why you see it listed almost every time someone is arrested if they do not cooperate 100%. Its just something that police do because they want to see people who commit crimes taken off the street rather then always pled down to probation. Make sense?


Originally posted by tezzajw
I wonder how many judges, lawyers, police officers, politicians and common jury members have also committed adultery without ever being charged?

There are many sex laws on the books that are rarely enforced because they would have to arrest almost everyone for them.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 02:01 AM
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Originally posted by defcon5Its just something that police do because they want to see people who commit crimes taken off the street rather then always pled down to probation. Make sense?

For particularly nasty crimes, I can see why police would charge stack. The term "Throw the book at 'em" comes to mind.

I just question the severity of her alleged crime and don't see why it is appropriate to dust off an antiquated law, to try and 'throw the book at her'.

Making an example of her as an 'adulterer' is pointless and should be withdrawn. That's between her and husband to sort out, not the friggin' police or any jury in any court room.

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posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 02:21 AM
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Originally posted by burdman30ott6
Well... I look at it this way, the same law says that it is illegal for her husband to track the other guy down, tie him to a tree, and cut his weavers off before crushing his head with a meat mallet.


I am never going to understand that at all. What did the other guy do wrong again? He had sex with what he thought was a pretty SINGLE woman. She on the other hand probably knew she had a husband she was cheating on. I do not understand why anyone would want to harm the other guy.

Besides, this gives the husband the perfect opportunity for a nice easy divorce. He will not even have to convince the courts that she negated the wedding since it is all on record now.

Hmmmm...divorce the woman that cheated on you or mash the genitals of a guy who had sex with a pretty, single woman? Not sure I will ever understand that mentality.


Considering that, adultery should be against the law and criminal charges should be available to the prosecution over it.


It is grounds for divorce. Why should it also be against the law. What does prosecuting here accomplish?

The husband was in court holding her hand. He is dealing with it his own way. Why should the courts get to decide whether or not she gets punished for cheating on her husband above and beyond his own wishes?

Should that not be up to the husband? Should the courts come arrest me and my sister for not speaking for the last two years? Should the courts maybe deal with my little brother for the way he disrespects his mother? Maybe the courts should get involved with the couple across the street. When she goes to work, he as a female friend that comes over quite often. Think I better call the police and have them investigate so that they can prosecute him?

What if, like someone pointed out is possible, she had her husbands consent? That is not really that far out there. Should she really be run through the court system over adultery if the husband gave his blessing as well or would that make a difference?

What other personal family issues that are none of our business do you think the courts should be involved in?


The woman should just be thankfull she doesn't live in an Arabic country where such an act would result in being pelted with stones until she was dead by order of the courts.


She should be thankful she does not live lots of places where lots of bad things happen to lots of people all the time. I guess I will never get that argument either.

We pay some of the highest taxes in the nation here and I personally resent my tax dollars being spent on police and court time to prosecute Adultery. What the hell are we paying for in NY? There is plenty of murder to go around in this part of the state. Batavia is basically Mayberry with a steady supply of Heroin. The cops and the courts have better things to do with my money.

-NO. I am not saying she should not be prosecuted for indecent exposure and public lewdness. That is a whole other issue.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 02:45 AM
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Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
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YAY !!!! I am so Happy They are enforcing the LAW.. Since adultery is ILLEGAL !


Really think they should be arresting and prosecuting every single person that commits any crime in New York? Honestly, just because it is on the books, that is good enough for you?

We have an overburdened and underfunded Law Enforcement system, Court system, and Penal system. The country is broke. New York State is broke. How do you plan to fund all of this frivolous law enforcement? How will you make up for the lack of time being spent on real crimes?


Every person in the USA who commits this crime should be charged with it.


Has it been established that this is a law in every single state? She is being prosecuted under State Law, not federal.


This is Wonderful! I hope the judge throws the book at this woman.. as well as the guy and whatever they were able to charge him with.


Get your wallet out then because you are going to have some pretty hefty taxes to shell out in order to fully arrest and prosecute all the people in New York who...

1. Greets someone with their thumb to their nose, wiggling their fingers.

2. Flirt.

2b. Turn around to glance at an attractive lady who has passed their field of view.

3. Throw a ball at someone's head for fun. (All those years of dodgeball we were all criminals. Why were you not there to round us all up before we grew up to go on our crime sprees? WHYYYYYYYYYYYY?!?!?!?!)

4. Talk on an elevator.

5. Wear slippers after 10PM.

6. Wear a jacket and pants that do not match.

7. Wear high heels in the city limits of Carmel.

8. Eat peanuts while walking backwards during a concert.

9. Slurp their soup.

10. Eat while swimming in the Ocean.

11. Play pinball on Sunday.

12. Drink anything other than water in a clear container while on the beach.

13. Disrobe inside of a wagon. (Lots of trailers out in Batavia I am sure people get undressed in.)

14. Call their son a "fagot" or "queer" to curb girlie behavior.

15. Water their lawn without having the hose in their hands.

This goes on and on and this is just New York.

Cops cost you and me money. Courts cost you and me money. Prisons cost you and me money. Prisoners cost you and me money. Probation officers cost you and me money. Public defenders cost you and me money.

How do you plan to fund this crusade against all things illegal no matter how stupid the law? Do you really think a housewife from a one horse meth town who scrumps in the park during the day has millions squirreled away they can just fine her to save me from paying for this?



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 02:47 AM
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Originally posted by chaosinorder
She should be made an example of. Not because she committed adultery, she committed it in a children's play area while the children and parents were around. It shows a charecteristic of animal behaviour like a dog doing it in public. Then let her be treated harshly. As for her husband i cant imagine how he was holding her hand after knowing where it was just before a while.
She must be given tough sentence mainly for doing it around children's play area.


I totally agree she should be prosecuted for that crime.

Especially considering that in Batavia, there are plenty of places to go hide and have sex. It is far from a Metropolis with more than enough wooded areas, out the way hidden areas, and cheap places to get a room. They really have no excuse for doing it in public.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 02:55 AM
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Then obviously the punishment for sex in public is not as harsh as it should be then? Why do we need extra laws in order to punish people for one crime?

Basically what you are saying is that what she did by having sex in that park was bad but it would not have been as bad had she been single. How does that make sense?



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 03:03 AM
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Originally posted by K J Gunderson
I do not understand why anyone would want to harm the other guy.


It's Old School, my friend. That's pretty much the only way I can describe it. Not saying I myself am an old guy, because I am not. However, I do lean away from the modern "enlightened" views of mankind... I'd rather drag my knuckles, let my set swing freely, and carry myself with what I consider a large amount of pride that conform to the popular modern stance of humanity.

There are a lot of things in the world I do not understand... possessive jealous rage simply doesn't happen to be one of them, if you catch my drift. I'd surmise that it is no coincidence that divorce rates as well as sexually transmitted disease among other things have skyrocketed as this more open, nonviolent way of dealing with infidelity has gained traction. Men more often made certain that the woman they were with were not already spoken for decades ago because they valued their own lives and knew there would be harsh consequences if they laid with the wrong gal.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 03:16 AM
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Adultery is a ridiculous charge - a lot of people would have to be arrested. She should have been charged with lewd behaviour - I believe that is on the police list.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 03:28 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Originally posted by K J Gunderson
Then obviously the punishment for sex in public is not as harsh as it should be then?

It depends on the state, here in Florida we have numerous extremely strict laws about such things, since we are obviously a heavily trafficked vacation destination. IE think spring break, etc…


Originally posted by K J Gunderson
Why do we need extra laws in order to punish people for one crime?

Because people make plea deals, and first offenders normally only get probation.


Originally posted by K J Gunderson
Basically what you are saying is that what she did by having sex in that park was bad but it would not have been as bad had she been single. How does that make sense?

I am not saying that, I am explaining why the police charged her with it, I did not charge her with anything so don’t go blaming me. However, I guarantee that is why the police charged her the way they did, and if they could have nailed them on any other charges they would have stacked those on as well. Here, in my state, those two would be charged as registered sexual offenders for the rest of their lives for what they did, obviously where they are the laws are not as strict, so the police had to use what laws they could apply to the situation.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 03:43 AM
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Originally posted by burdman30ott6

Originally posted by K J Gunderson
I do not understand why anyone would want to harm the other guy.


It's Old School, my friend.


Old school like being amazed at the red glowing hot light that comes from the heavens to set trees ablaze?

Old school like "the Earth is the center of the Universe?"

Old school like women are stupid and weak?

Old school like slavery is cool, it is the way things go?

Or do you mean old school like - 'i dunno, its just what a tough guy does. He beats up other guys because his wife is a whore?'


That's pretty much the only way I can describe it.


I get it. I know plenty of people that think that way. I know you are not alone or that rare but you do seem to be a dying breed. It seems to come from a time where hitting women no matter what was so so so so so wrong that someone had to get hit. I like to thing we will move beyond needing to hit anyone but I do dream.

It seems to me the other guy still gets off easier if he is the one punished by the husband and not the wife. He is at home with his bruises wondering if the husband likes how he tastes


Besides, ever been on the other end of that? Ever hooked up with a girl, think you just got really really lucky and then find out she has a man who is none to happy with you?

Walk down this lane with me for a moment, won't you? You meet a nice, pretty (to you) girl. She shows interest, things progress and bam! You have yourself a fancy night o' packin' pickles. Now you are watching tv, chilling out and some angry guy you never heard of shows up to kick your ass. When the man finally gets across to you that he is the husband of the woman you got Kosher with - will you feel like you deserve a beating? I am curious what your mindset would be there.



Not saying I myself am an old guy, because I am not.


Pffffffffffffft. Perish the thought.


However, I do lean away from the modern "enlightened" views of mankind... I'd rather drag my knuckles, let my set swing freely, and carry myself with what I consider a large amount of pride that conform to the popular modern stance of humanity.


Got no problem with that. How proud are you when you beat up a guy that actually did nothing wrong, get arrested for assault, then get bailed out to go get back in bed with your whore wife? Call me crazy but bruising my knuckles on an innocent person, getting a record and spending time in holding, and not having the same hatred for my wife would be the exact opposite of things that make me feel proud. I guess we are different.

The way I see it. That guy did not know you or even that you existed. On the other hand, I am willing to bet your wife was at your wedding and everything. She probably knows she has a husband and promised to be faithful to him. If anyone deserves a beating...but I would not advocate that any more than beating up the guy.


There are a lot of things in the world I do not understand... possessive jealous rage simply doesn't happen to be one of them, if you catch my drift.


Not really. Sounds like you contradict yourself. What would be the motivating emotion behind beating up the fellow?


I'd surmise that it is no coincidence that divorce rates as well as sexually transmitted disease among other things have skyrocketed as this more open, nonviolent way of dealing with infidelity has gained traction.


Do you have any kind of facts to link those two things or are you just throwing things at the wall to see what sticks? Seriously, when exactly was it ok to go beat up the other guy and how did that effect divorce and STD rates?

If your wife sleeps with a stranger and gets an STD, I am pretty sure beating him up will not fix that. Did it used to?


Men more often made certain that the woman they were with were not already spoken for decades ago because they valued their own lives and knew there would be harsh consequences if they laid with the wrong gal. [/quote

Really? When was that?



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 03:52 AM
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Originally posted by defcon5
It depends on the state, here in Florida we have numerous extremely strict laws about such things, since we are obviously a heavily trafficked vacation destination. IE think spring break, etc…


Thanks. I know that state laws vary by state. I am not sure how Florida law applies to a crime being prosecuted in New York but thanks.


Because people make plea deals, and first offenders normally only get probation.


That does not really answer my question. If the punishments are available but not enforced, the answer is more laws and more prosecution? How about cutting out plea deals? The judge is not obligated to cut any deal at all. This is just more for no reason. 'OK, we have a punishment for you but we are going let you talk it down to less so we will charge you with more crimes so it ends up the same.'

That really make sense to you? No need for plea deals.


Originally posted by K J Gunderson
I am not saying that, I am explaining why the police charged her with it, I did not charge her with anything so don’t go blaming me.


Relax, I did not blame you for her charge. I expressed what I got from what you wrote.


However, I guarantee that is why the police charged her the way they did, and if they could have nailed them on any other charges they would have stacked those on as well.


I did not say it was not the case. I said it was stupid. What you are claiming is the there is a chance the jury would hear she was having sex in public and let her off easy but then when they heard other charges, they would feel differently about the sex in public and punish her more. Either the sex in public was wrong and there is a good punishment for it or not. To just add nonsense crimes on top of it is a waste of time and money -mine!


Here, in my state, those two would be charged as registered sexual offenders for the rest of their lives for what they did, obviously where they are the laws are not as strict, so the police had to use what laws they could apply to the situation.


Don't count your chickens, it ain't over yet. Trust me, New York is more than happy to toss anyone on that list they can get their hands on. My little brother is a registered sex offender because he turned 18 while his girlfriend still had two months to turn 17. Her and her parents testified on his behalf that he lived there for 2 years and had been a consensual relationship. New York said he is a rapist. You are not alone.

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