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The Feminist Movement—Ruining The Image Of Men

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posted on Jun, 11 2010 @ 07:17 PM
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and, many of the women back then were expected to give the money they earned to their husbands......in NY, at one time, it was the law that that money they earned was consdered the husbands....


Men used to Die by the Millions to Keep women Alive.

(And still Do, actually.)


heck even today, if my husband knows I gave a few cigarettes to someone at work, or a little money to someone who needed it...ummm....I am wasting HIS money....



.........?



oh, and by the way, are you aware that they used to send little boys and girls into the coal mines to lay dynamite......


Really? You have a source for that?

I find that interesting and vulgar, actually.


so much for the dangerous work being traditionally "men's work"





damn those bleeding heart liberals and those feminists for getting child labor outlawed!!!



LOL!

You Funny!

-Edrick




posted on Jun, 11 2010 @ 07:18 PM
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Oh I love these threads.

Isn't it interesting that men are physically becoming more neutral and streamlined.
Isn't it interesting that women are physically becoming more neutral and streamlined.

Isn't it interesting that men still blame women. So old and boring.

Perhaps there is something more going on.

In a society based on intelligence rather then physical brawn or need to replenish the species - - perhaps - just perhaps - - a physical evolution is going on.

There is nothing a man can do that a woman can't do. Oh wait! Except produce sperm.

However - - its been proven frozen sperm (which can be tested for defects) seems to be healthier and live for years and years,

Since women can re-produce the human species without the need of a live man. Man is becoming obsolete.

Maybe that's their real fear.



posted on Jun, 11 2010 @ 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by Edrick
Fair enough.... then why did you bring this up in a discussion of Men's oppression of women?


I didn't.



So, if what I read here is accurate... there are some women who would rather be a stay at home mom, as opposed to a working mom? But for some reason they Can't?

IS that discrimination?


No. Because men are in the same boat.



I thought we were discussing the Glass Ceiling....?


No. We were talking about inequity in pay between men and women for the same job.


Originally posted by Edrick
If the Aces are in their places, then why bother visiting a conspiracy site to discuss what is NOT right with the world?


I believe everything is as it should be. That doesn't mean it's perfect or right or fair, but we are in flux as a society and as a species. We are where we are.

I'm on a conspiracy site because I like it here. I also discuss what IS right with the world.



posted on Jun, 11 2010 @ 07:25 PM
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because....
I am the one rejecting that position, you are the one that seems to be defending it!!!
if you don't like the way the family court system operates, if you don't like the way the military prefers the males....
and all those other inequalities that you are seeing.....
then why on earth are you claiming that the one thing that has caused things to be the way they are is the right way to do things???


Because Feminists want men to CONTINUE DYING TO PROTECT WOMEN.

To continue PAYING FOR WOMEN'S CHOICES

But they want women to be free of any responsibility.



ya, I know, the man's head is god, the women's head is man, this is the way it is, this is the way it has always been, and this is the way it will always be....


Honestly... I did not expect that response.

Are you being sarcastic...? I honestly can't tell.


I mean, I am sorry, but it's pretty darned pathetic when men want things their own way so badly, that they invent a God that commands the women to do whatever they say to begin with!!!


Have you never heard of the Goddess Cults?

What did they call their Goddess? Mother Earth? Gaia? Lilith?

Something like that...

-Edrick



posted on Jun, 11 2010 @ 07:35 PM
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Oh I love these threads.


ME TOO!!!!

YAY!!!


Isn't it interesting that men are physically becoming more neutral and streamlined.
Isn't it interesting that women are physically becoming more neutral and streamlined.


HAve you SEEN the average pants size of the world recently?

Streamlined indeed...


Yeah, For Hypersonic Reentry vehicles.... *Chuckle*

(Bah-Da-Bing!)


Isn't it interesting that men still blame women. So old and boring.


Isn't it interesting that women still blame men. So old and boring.



Perhaps there is something more going on.

In a society based on intelligence rather then physical brawn or need to replenish the species - - perhaps - just perhaps - - a physical evolution is going on.


Interesting, Interesting...


There is nothing a man can do that a woman can't do. Oh wait! Except produce sperm.


That list is considerably longer than that....

And mixing specifics with generalities is often not a wise argumentative strategy.


However - - its been proven frozen sperm (which can be tested for defects) seems to be healthier and live for years and years,


So do Frozen Eggs.


Oh, we can Make entire Cells now.... we don't Technically need Men *OR* Women...

We can just supplant the entire species!


YAY!!!!

NO MORE PEOPLE!!!!


HAPPY DANCE!


Since women can re-produce the human species without the need of a live man. Man is becoming obsolete.


Really?

Where did you get the Sperm?



Maybe that's their real fear.


Did you hear the one about Synthetic Uteruses? (Uteri?)

-Edrick



posted on Jun, 11 2010 @ 07:39 PM
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I didn't.


You didn't link to the Pay gap difference?



No. Because men are in the same boat.


Yeah... they really are, aren't they?


No. We were talking about inequity in pay between men and women for the same job.


Yes.... but are you stating that this pay inequity is due to "Sexism"?


I believe everything is as it should be. That doesn't mean it's perfect or right or fair, but we are in flux as a society and as a species. We are where we are.



AHHHHHHHHH...... ok.... I think I see your perspective now.


Yes, that is interesting.

Do you believe in Fate, or Free Will?



I'm on a conspiracy site because I like it here. I also discuss what IS right with the world.


Im afraid that the word Conspiracy means people in secret making plans against others...

The purpose of this site is to Deny Ignorance.... not Confirm the Status Quo.


-Edrick



posted on Jun, 11 2010 @ 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by Edrick

Have you SEEN the average pants size of the world recently?

Streamlined indeed...



There is such a thing called trend.

The trend for the modern impowered women is to be slim and physically fit.

The body follows the mind.

As clothes become tighter and thinner and less cumbersome - - - the body/mind adjusts to the presentation.

The average modern woman today is far less interested in having a body that looks like a baby machine.



posted on Jun, 11 2010 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by Edrick

Did you hear the one about Synthetic Uteruses? (Uteri?)

-Edrick


Oh Great! You're gonna buy your own "baby cooker" and raise the kid to your specifications.

Can't wait. The Future - - - is looking interesting.

Maybe you'd prefer a Cherry 2000 - - - and forget the kid.



posted on Jun, 11 2010 @ 08:02 PM
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www.victorianweb.org...

that's the closest I can come at the time....
the story about the boys and girls laying dynamite was something that was told to me personally from someone here in va....
although, they claim no girls worked in the mines in the us, or I couldn't find much online about it....
but according to the story, the miners would need dynamite laid in a place, but the passage was too narrow for any of the men. they would chose one of the kids (that were officially hired for less hazardous work, but well....who goes by the rules anyways, right....

well, they would have one of the kids, and yes there were girls (according to the storyteller) to bring the dynamite through the narrow passage way...

but the link I just posted has about all the nice safe conditions that the girls in britain worked in.....



posted on Jun, 11 2010 @ 08:05 PM
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There is such a thing called trend.

The trend for the modern impowered women is to be slim and physically fit.


*WOMEN EVOLVING TO BE SHORTER, FATTER, AND HEALTHIER*
www.thefrisky.com...


The body follows the mind


Indeed.


As clothes become tighter and thinner and less cumbersome - - - the body/mind adjusts to the presentation.


???


The average modern woman today is far less interested in having a body that looks like a baby machine.


Then why the makeup? To accentuate capillary dilation that signals "Mating Season"?

Why the Breast Enhancement Surgery?

The Botox?

The Face Cutting "Pretty Procedure"?


Your avatar is wearing eyeshadow to draw attention to the Eyes.....

Why?

-Edrick



posted on Jun, 11 2010 @ 08:06 PM
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Yeah... that sounds about like I expected it to...


That is horrible.

I can understand the Logistics of using smaller people.... but still.

-Edrick



posted on Jun, 11 2010 @ 08:07 PM
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I just have to ask, have you ever had a close loving respectful relationship with a good woman?

Because we do exist and we work hard to make our families work. We don't want to shirk responsibility, we want the respect that we deserve for the things that we do, we want to be able to help provide for our familes, we want to be treated fairly and listened to despite our vagina.



posted on Jun, 11 2010 @ 08:07 PM
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yes....and the story of the garden of eden, the snake, and all that was probably the first propaganda ever published!!!
it's objective, to tear down those goddess cults and establish patriarchal rule.....
and yes, I was halfway being sarcastic....the other half was sheer frustration with ya!
and hey, my son would be one of those being sent to war...
so, do you really, really think I want the guys sent off to war to protect me from the gov't's invented boogey men??

and, originally, no the feminist didn't want to be free from any responsibility...like I said in a previous post.....
that was the bone that was thrown to women, that unfortunately, too many picked up!!!
but, hey a lord is a lord, and if women chose to reject their husband's as lords and masters, well, better give them an alternative. since well, the only other option would be for them to be lord over themselves!!!
it was a bribe!!! take the easy road....ya know......but what they didn't tell women is that well......the person, or gov't that you are dependant on...well, they will still rule you! and ya, for a few decades now, well, that rule has been rather easy...lest the women start demanding the ERA and all that garbage again....
but, a pampered slave is still just a slave!!!
and well, as the economy goes down the tubes, the rulership is gonna get a little less inviting...unfortunately, it will be too late to do anything about it then!



[edit on 11-6-2010 by dawnstar]



posted on Jun, 11 2010 @ 08:17 PM
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yes....and the story of the garden of eden, the snake, and all that was probably the first propaganda ever published!!!


I think that dubious honor falls to makeup, actually.


The first archaeological evidence of cosmetics usage is found in Egypt around 3500 BC during the Ancient Egypt times with some of the royalty having make up such as Nefertiti, Nefertari, mask of Tutankhamun, etc

en.wikipedia.org...

That predates the Bible by several thousand years.


it's objective, to tear down those goddess cults and establish patriarchal rule.....


Im pretty sure that "God" does not have genitalia anyways....

Unless you are a pantheist, of course... *Chuckle*




and yes, I was halfway being sarcastic....the other half was sheer frustration with ya!


I can understand that.




and hey, my son would be one of those being sent to war...
so, do you really, really think I want the guys sent off to war to protect me from the gov't's invented boogey men??


Of course not... we all want the best for those we love.



-Edrick



posted on Jun, 11 2010 @ 08:24 PM
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Oh Great! You're gonna buy your own "baby cooker" and raise the kid to your specifications.

Can't wait. The Future - - - is looking interesting.

Maybe you'd prefer a Cherry 2000 - - - and forget the kid.


Oh, I've *SEEN* that movie! LOL!



But, anyways... responding to you...


I suppose that you would prefer This?

en.wikipedia.org...

-Edrick

[edit on 11-6-2010 by Edrick]



posted on Jun, 11 2010 @ 08:31 PM
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heck, I think that since men and women can't get the crap together and act responsibly, well...
let's just sterilize the kids before they reach the age where they can reproduce, we can harvest the eggs and sperm....chose the perfect bodies to carry the babies, chose the perfect people to raise the kids till they are old enough for school, and well.....
then the state can raise them into perfect little drones to do their will.....
then all the men and women can act like little bunnies and well...no problem with unwanted kids, or abortions, or child support, or who's gonna be hindered in the workplace from the responsibility of the kids....
we can all work our arses off like little perfect drones and pay massive taxes, and well, we don't have to be bothered anymore with the little ones.......

but then......I see this kind of a natural consequence when the people en mass decide to act irresponsibly.....the open the door for something to come in and take control!!!!



posted on Jun, 11 2010 @ 08:48 PM
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Women do not have to work, they have the option of finding a man to support them, and society has (up until the feminist movement that is) supported the women in their decision.
If you are a man, you work your fingers to the bone to support a woman and family, or you are WORTHLESS.



You assume all men work hard, which is not the case. Perhaps in an ideal world ALL men would work hard. However, WOMEN DO HAVE TO WORK. in order for a couple to rasie children and pay a mortgage on minimum wage jobs, it takes TWO incomes to Scrape by. Thus, working is not an option but a requirment - Thank you greedy government and capitalism.



Women do not have to submit to conscription as men do, and are under NO THREAT of being removed from their homes, gun placed in their hands, and told to "Kill or be Killed"
Oppression.



Again, it was MEN that brought in those laws. And it was MEN that upheld those laws. If they opposed those laws so much, why didnt they refuse to fight? Muhammed ali did the same thing, gave up the best years of his boxing career because he didnt want to fight. Are you saying muhammed ali should have been stripped of all property and had what few rights he had at that time removed from him?



Women have the option of leaving their husband TAKING THEIR CHILDREN WITH THEM, and have the state force the husband to continue to provide for her...
Men do not have this option.
Oppression.



The irony of this statment is that it was brought in AFTER feminists demanded it. But by all means, men should demand it. It takes two to raise a child.



Women have government mandates enforcing "Quotas" for the amount of women in certain jobs... men must suck it up, and BE THE BEST AT THE JOB to be considered for employment.
Oppression.



I dont agree with Quotas. The best person for the job should get the job.



You are saying that it is Right and Just that women can vote, own property, and have the same employment opportunities as men, but they aren't forced to risk their lives to defend it?
(Or, more accurately, that they are not forced to kill or be killed to secure the money and assets of the elite.)
"What did you think women did when all the men were sent abroad?"
Well, they certainly weren't Fighting and Dying thousands of miles from the saftey and security of their homes, now were they?



Your saying, that because a woman is not forced to go and fight wars, she should not be entitled to own property? Despite the fact that she helped give that country its male population in the first place, with which, if they did not have those men, they wouldnt be fighting at all?
Basicly, because women dont make better soilders, so they should be penalized for it?
And back in WW2 the women SURPRISINGLY didnt sit about all day wondering how the war was going. No, they were busy in factorys working 14hr shifts doing mens jobs - But yeah, because women werent dying via a physcial conflict, she constributed nothing to the war and thus should not own property. O.o Yeah, feminists were crazy.



I think that women should Shut Up about their oppression and differing treatment, until they are willing to suffer the slings and arrows of RESPONSIBILITY, as men are.



I think that men should be a little bit more greatful for the opposite sex. if someone didnt carry you for 9 months, risk her life birthing you and then helping to raise you for so many years, you wouldnt be here to die for the causes you dont believe in but fight for anyhow.



Pass a bill in the house of representatives, and congress, (Get it signed by the president) that mandates NOT ONLY that women MUST register for selective service, but that they also must be EQUALLY REPRESENTED in all of the Front Line Combat positions, and dangerous jobs.... and then I will shut up.



Or better still, get a bill in the house of representatives and congress (Get it signed by the president) That mandates NO ONE should be conscripted for war or national service. Abolish quotas and hope for a system that picks the best candindate for the job.




"Laws that say having sex with your wife, even if she does NOT consent is NOT classed as rape."
A marriage contract is an agreement between two people, that agreement states that "Whats mine is yours, and what's yours is mine"
You don't seem to be complaining about men who have to keep paying for the women (OVER HIS OBJECTIONS), despite the fact that they are divorced....
That is Financial Rape (Theft), but you just don't see that, do you?
en.wikipedia.org...
Nope.... whatever inconveniences the Man is fair game, but whatever inconveniences the Female is a crime against humanity, eh?



Regardless of what marriage might "contract" no is no, and if someone says no and the other continues, that is rape. You cannot defend such an action so dont even try.
Divorced men should help pay for thier children and NOT their ex's. If you dont agree with men paying for their EX's then get off your ass and start a movement against it. Also, its unfair to assume my reaction to your arguments. I'm all for equality between two sexes, you not gathered that yet?



You ever got fired from the job of cleaning your house?
You ever had to put up with unruly customers whilst cleaning your house?
Were you exposed to dangerous environments? like at a blast furnace, or a coal mine?
How often do women DIE IN CAVE-INS, or Fires, or Explosions while working at home?
How many women are lost at SEA while doing the laundry?
How many women struggle to impress their boss so they can get a raise, for doing housework?
How many women don't get to see their kids, because their housework keeps them at the office late?



Haha, ive been fired from a job, put up with unrruley customers, I would struggle to impress my boss if i actually gave i damn about my minimum wage and i dont have kids. Though saying that, none of the men i know have been exposed to dangerous enviroments such as the ones you've mentioned so i have to consider that men are just not working as hard as what you claim?



posted on Jun, 11 2010 @ 08:52 PM
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...males are being emasculated?... so, its the emasculated ones that have been and are still waging war all over the world?... jeepers, imagine if they had balls that actually worked...


...for the whiners in the usofa - metrosexual is old hat... george washington is heralded as one of the "forefathers" or "founding fathers" - a guy that wore a wig and high heels (bet he had lace on his drawers too)...


...funny how all the whiners forget ol' metrosexual georgee in lieu of blaming their lack of spine on women who have a spine...


...freud would say the whiners have "mommy issues" and, ya know, some of 'em really do because their fathers taught them to be that way... oh, what a cryin' shame...



posted on Jun, 11 2010 @ 09:04 PM
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actually, all those cleaning solutions that women use in the home aren't really that healthy for ya....
matter of fact, I went a long time, till I finally started just using baking soda to clean everything with blistered, cracked, bleeding hands.....eventually, ended up having them bandaged for a month, because the mess got infected!!!
as far as unruly customers....try three unruly kids....
as far as getting fired from your housecleaning job....don't make me laugh!!!
I work more hours a week usually than my husband does, then I come home and work more hours.....then I end up signing my paycheck and handing it to him to put in the bank...which all helps to pay the bills......
what, you think he's gonna fire me???
go without that extra paycheck, actually wake up in the morning and make his own coffee? do his own laundry??? cook his own food??
do you really think he's gonna have the money to hire someone to do all that for him without my paycheck, heck, if he could do that, well, by god!! he can do it now with both our paychecks, and maybe I can get more than four hours sleep a night!!!



posted on Jun, 11 2010 @ 09:07 PM
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"Gibson never heard of a prenup? Guy got screwed, just like women did for centurys. Heather mills is another example, yeah, those women are #ed up, i dont agree with what they did."

But it was a WOMAN who was oppressing a man..... surely you understand that by your logic, that makes ALL women Oppressors, right?
Stop justifying the fact that the system is set up to steal from men to give to women... it shows your inherent mysandry.



The law does not say he WAS NOT entitled to a prenup, HE is the fool for not taking one. Though i personally dont agree that she should get 500million, in fact, I OPPOSE IT! 100%
I dont agree with it because i am all about Equality!
The system may have now have a slight biased which prefers women but as i said, get off your ass and start a movement. I hope you do get a government grant, its only fair.



"Its pretty hard to whipe a religious system that has existed for 2000 years off the face of the earth because of a social movement. You also forget, Marriage was STILL status at that time, and some extent, still is today. "


Excuses, excuses.... there have been MANY queens and Empresses throughout history, who ruled in solitude.... yet they did nothing to change this "Oppression" against women that you speak of.
Why don't you start blaming catherine the great, or queen elisibeth for the "oppression" of women.



If they did nothing to change it, it is because they were not in a power to do so. When Elizabeth came to the throne she was not in the position to make or change laws as that right was removed with Charles the 2nd after the english civil war. After such a time, only parliment could create & change laws and women had no place in politics - thanks to, oh yes you've guessed it, Oppression! As a womans place was in the home, doing things god assigned to women such as obeying mens wishes.



When western women are the most free women ON THE PLANET....



Yes they are, THANKS TO FEMINISM!
I would just like to take this moment to thank all the women of the past who marched and protested and endured male reign so that I could have the freedom to own a house. So that I could work the same job as a man and be paid equally. So that society does not think i'm crazy for not wanting children. So that, should i ever marry and am forced to have sex against my will, it would be counted as rape.
Thank you for fighting for the rights to have your books published, it has been a great help in proving to society that women are intellectual and have points of view that differ from many men. Thank you for giving women a place in the army, now that i can legally fight for my country i suppose i can fight for the wealth of someone else and be entitled to own property in the eyes of the few minority.

Thank you feminism! I'd hate to know where i would be right now without you!




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