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Poll: Liberals, Democrats flunk Economics 101

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posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by mnemeth1
Conservatives don't expand government, they contract it.


Clearly demonstrated by TARP and The Patriot Act.

The government did nothing but shrink from 2000 - 2008 huh?


Try reading ALL the posts.

Most do not consider Bush a "true conservative" based on his record while in office.

The only way you can truthfully pair the words "Bush" and "conservative" would be in a sentence such as: "Bush only appears to be a conservative when you compare him to someone like obama".




posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211

The only way you can truthfully pair the words "Bush" and "conservative" would be in a sentence such as: "Bush only appears to be a conservative when you compare him to someone like obama".


And yet you considered Bush a hero?

Oh how quickly conservatives rewrite history to suit their rhetoric....

From 2005...


Originally posted by centurion1211
New mayor of Baghdad wants to build statue of Bush

That's right. The new mayor is so grateful for the new-found freedoms enjoyed by himself and others that he wants to build a statue of G.W. Bush in downtown Baghdad - because, in the mayor's words, "Bush stands for freedom".


Article




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posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211
Try reading ALL the posts.

Most do not consider Bush a "true conservative" based on his record while in office.


Show me which post clearly demonstrates who "most" are and what they believe please?

Last time I checked,"most" thought TARP was Obama's idea so you are just going to have to deal with the fact that I will not cater my responses to the thoughts, whims, and fleeting opinions of some.


The only way you can truthfully pair the words "Bush" and "conservative" would be in a sentence such as: "Bush only appears to be a conservative when you compare him to someone like obama".



Awesome, after you show me which post I missed you should go start a thread to have that argument in.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 08:39 PM
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Liberals more Intelligent that conservatives
edition.cnn.com...


Evolutionary psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa at the the London School of Economics and Political Science correlated data on these behaviors with IQ from a large national U.S. sample and found that, on average, people who identified as liberal and atheist had higher IQs. This applied also to sexual exclusivity in men, but not in women. The findings will be published in the March 2010 issue of Social Psychology Quarterly.


...And yet I'm not surprised



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 08:51 PM
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Yes there is a tragedy of the commons, but property rights do not necessarily rule out externalities. If somebody does anything and everything they want on a piece of land or ocean they "own," the pollution they create can seep into somebody else's land or ocean. Pollution does not just affect neighboring tracts of land or sea, but could affect the entire planet.

One could argue that neighbors of the polluter could go to court and enjoin the polluter from polluting. However, this would lead to multiple lawsuits every time a polluter fired up its smokestack or drilled an oil well. The courts would end up regulating polluters by slapping an injunction on anybody who did anything that threatened their neighbors' property.

A better solution would be to have regulations in place that put reasonable limits on pollution. That way, we would not have thousands of lawsuits from all over the earth every time somebody pollutes. Seems much more efficient to administer regulations than to give everybody proeprty rights...no?



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 08:54 PM
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And "scientists" that put out studies that claim global warming does not exist or is not caused by human activities are not funded by somebody with an agenda?



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by SeriouslyGuys
Liberals more Intelligent that conservatives
edition.cnn.com...
Evolutionary psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa at the the London School of Economics and Political Science correlated data on these behaviors with IQ from a large national U.S. sample and found that, on average, people who identified as liberal and atheist had higher IQs. This applied also to sexual exclusivity in men, but not in women. The findings will be published in the March 2010 issue of Social Psychology Quarterly.


I have to refute those findings. One of the main liberal strategical tactics is to demonize the rich, it is red meat for the congregation. It appeals to the liberal masses. If liberals have high IQs, why are they having so much trouble making money? Why is it that they want taxpayers to pay for their shortcomings? What good is a high IQ if you cannot use it to succeed?
Why do they want huge government, high taxes, and a bankrupt nation? And I always find it amazing when an atheist compares God to jelly or jam sandwich in order to make an argument. I can't compute any quotient from this kind of intelligence.


This so called "corelation", is based on the "assumption" that our early ancestors turned to religion because they were paranoid, and that it continues to this day. It also implies that liberals own male exclusivity......(I just love it when you guys make up new words)....and we all know that this is bunk. The article defines "liberals" in the 'corelation', but fails to define conservative and libertarian. It is a biased article at best, touting the results of a fictional science 'corelation'.

It is an attack on religion, with the attackers portraying themselves as more likely to be concerned about the welfare of others. It is divisive, illogical, and cleverly disguised.....It is pathetic,......how noble and condescending the elite have become.


Edited for form and content.







[edit on 10-6-2010 by MY2Commoncentsworth]



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 09:41 PM
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Considering it was the GOP's 8 years that got us into this mess through deregulation, that is kinda scary...I mean, how can you be worse than them???



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by MY2Commoncentsworth
reply to post by SeriouslyGuys
 



Originally posted by SeriouslyGuys
Liberals more Intelligent that conservatives
edition.cnn.com...


Evolutionary psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa at the the London School of Economics and Political Science correlated data on these behaviors with IQ from a large national U.S. sample and found that, on average, people who identified as liberal and atheist had higher IQs. This applied also to sexual exclusivity in men, but not in women. The findings will be published in the March 2010 issue of Social Psychology Quarterly.


I have to refute those findings. One of the main liberal strategical tactics is to demonize the rich, it is red meat for congregation. It appeals to the liberal masses. If liberals have high IQs, why are they having so much trouble making money? Why is it that they want taxpayers to pay for their shortcomings? What good is a high IQ if you cannot use it to succeed?
Why do they want huge government, high taxes, and a bankrupt nation? And I always find it amazing when an atheist compares God to jelly or jam sandwich in order to make an argument. I can't compute any quotient from this kind of intelligence.




[edit on 9-6-2010 by MY2Commoncentsworth]


I am just wondering if you can refute the claim that Democrats have higher IQs in a properly formatted post? I hate to split hairs here but if you want to refute the intelligence of others, the least you could do is be smart enough to use the available code to format your post so that it is clear.

[edit on 9-6-2010 by K J Gunderson]



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 09:53 PM
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If liberals have high IQs, why are they having so much trouble making money?


Way to stereotype people. Last I checked there are tons of rich liberals. I consider myself liberal (or to quote Beck: progressive), and last I checked I had no money problems. I'm just now wrapping up a 2yr sabbatical because I didn't feel like working during the crisis. I was able to do that because I earned a to be honest perverse amount of money working for a major hedge fund up until the crisis. Pretty sure that wouldn't have been possible without proper knowledge of economics and finance. And don't worry, I never claimed any benefits


[edit on 9-6-2010 by MrXYZ]



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by MY2Commoncentsworth
reply to post by SeriouslyGuys
 



Originally posted by SeriouslyGuys
Liberals more Intelligent that conservatives
edition.cnn.com...


Evolutionary psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa at the the London School of Economics and Political Science correlated data on these behaviors with IQ from a large national U.S. sample and found that, on average, people who identified as liberal and atheist had higher IQs. This applied also to sexual exclusivity in men, but not in women. The findings will be published in the March 2010 issue of Social Psychology Quarterly.


I have to refute those findings. One of the main liberal strategical tactics is to demonize the rich, it is red meat for congregation. It appeals to the liberal masses. If liberals have high IQs, why are they having so much trouble making money? Why is it that they want taxpayers to pay for their shortcomings? What good is a high IQ if you cannot use it to succeed?
Why do they want huge government, high taxes, and a bankrupt nation? And I always find it amazing when an atheist compares God to jelly or jam sandwich in order to make an argument. I can't compute any quotient from this kind of intelligence.




[edit on 9-6-2010 by MY2Commoncentsworth]


I suppose there is no such thing as a rich liberal?

I could say why do conservatives seem to enjoy saber rattling, spending hundreds of billions on defense, Trillion plus on the recent offense, hyper funding the military industrial complex and the agencies that comprise the constitution less shadow agencies? Why did the conservative justices of the SCOTUS decide to give corporations
more sway in the electoral process? Are conservatives so religious that they cannot see the connection between the Elite and the disfunction and growth of government?

Hell why did conservatives vote Bush in TWICE, TWO TIMES, if he is a
liberal? If you guys wanted to reign in big government why not call for his head last decade at some point?

You see psychologically speaking you all seem to be inflicted with Bush's sadistic side,
that is disowning what you propagate when it suits you. I believe the conservative crisis
is a crisis of the ego, completely unable and unwilling to pick out their rightful positions of participation in an attempt to better this place. If you think liberals are unaware of deficits or the disfunction of government, you are playing yourself for a fool.

The point is not to demonize the rich exclusively for the sake of being rich, it is to point out that the rich are getting ever richer and our once vibrant middle class is turning into a Mexicoesque lower class, that is not hard to see, it indicates DISFUNCTION, while the condition further propagates the problems in government.

You might need a reboot, simple, your boat is getting filled with water, put down the idolatry and take a hard look.

[edit on 9-6-2010 by Janky Red]



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by MY2Commoncentsworth
reply to post by SeriouslyGuys
 



Originally posted by SeriouslyGuys
Liberals more Intelligent that conservatives
edition.cnn.com...


Evolutionary psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa at the the London School of Economics and Political Science correlated data on these behaviors with IQ from a large national U.S. sample and found that, on average, people who identified as liberal and atheist had higher IQs. This applied also to sexual exclusivity in men, but not in women. The findings will be published in the March 2010 issue of Social Psychology Quarterly.


I have to refute those findings. One of the main liberal strategical tactics is to demonize the rich, it is red meat for congregation. It appeals to the liberal masses. If liberals have high IQs, why are they having so much trouble making money? Why is it that they want taxpayers to pay for their shortcomings? What good is a high IQ if you cannot use it to succeed?
Why do they want huge government, high taxes, and a bankrupt nation? And I always find it amazing when an atheist compares God to jelly or jam sandwich in order to make an argument. I can't compute any quotient from this kind of intelligence.




[edit on 9-6-2010 by MY2Commoncentsworth]


I am just wondering if you can refute the claim that Democrats have higher IQs in a properly formatted post? I hate to split hairs here but if you want to refute the intelligence of others, the least you could do is be smart enough to use the available code to format your post so that it is clear.

[edit on 9-6-2010 by K J Gunderson]

In his defense it happened to me too, I am unable to correct it for some reason.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by GrampsLEn

Originally posted by Janky Red

See, here is my problem...

I keep having the conservative bar moved on me- it is like a chameleon Sasquach,

I don't think the legendary "conservative " politician exists, because that would mean doing nothing basically, or just dismantling the current system correct?

However "conservatives" do ALL kinds of things, very busy passing new things, news spending.


OK. Now we are back to my original post. Progressives just do not understand conservatives or the conservatism movement. That was my gist before it got derailed. Why? Because Olbermann, Matthews and Maddow and a whole host of MSM do not understand it either and ply the airwaves and print media with what they think they know which is not much.

Just because a legislator has an 'R' next to his name does not mean he is a conservative. Just because he/she has a 'D' next to their name does not mean that they are liberal. This is what the MSM wants you to believe. Conservatives do not "pass" new (wasteful) spending or pork. The Rs might have but then they are not acting as a conservative. The 'bar' hasn't moved...just the players.



You see I believe Gramm- Leach - Blilly, signed by fiscal conservative, Clinton
was a very poor attempt to implement free market principles on a highly regulated
machine. Unfortunately, for some reason, this legislation was exactly what was needed to create the climate to trade and create junk for the conservative love of commerce.
Such an idea is the antithesis of a "progressive" liberal idea, which would have been to
restrain trading further. Unfortunately that admission is never made here, I would like to find some honesty for honesty's sake, oh well.


Clinton was not a fiscal conservative. Ever. He is a smart politician though. He moved to the center only when the GOP took control of Congress. Obama probably cannot do this because he is an idealogue.

That 'junk' has been around for a long time if you are talking about derivatives. I can remember a fellow by the name of Nick Guarino ranting and raving about it in the mid '90s. If you are talking about 'affordable housing' and Fannie and Freddie missteps then you must lay that at the feet of the Progressives most notably Dodd and Franks and this was allowed to happen by a GOP with little to no cojones (so what else is new?). Or are you referring to something else? I am not sure by your post.



The banks/firm arrests should have been frozen, redistributed to investors, corporate charter removed and arrests made.

OR

Gave the money that was used for bailouts to each tax payer evenly, for the purpose of eliminating debt, thus rectifying the OVER leveraging + arrests (socialist option?
)


To this we agree. But look at what you have written. "...to each TAX PAYER evenly". That is not the Progressive way. They would have given the money to the non-taxpayer, most of whom are the leeches of our society.

Love the discussion but gotta go.

[edit on 9-6-2010 by GrampsLEn]


sir Ronald Reagan the god of modern American conservatism was the first president to
in act this current practice of governance, lets be real here. I think many of you are
unable to examine the reality of your conservation in action, because it is all talk, that is very far off from the reality of running and maintaining the most powerful empire the Earth has ever produced, I don't like it, you don't like it, however, you have your head in the scripture and are unwilling to rectify truth with the constraints of practice.
So therefore you can talk about your conservation til the end of time and change the bar according to your rhetorical needs.

So if Reagan was horribly un conservative in practice what evidence do you have to point of the reality of this conservative basketball, who has walked the walk since the birth of the modern age? I say NON, because conservatism is a psychological devise,
Conservatives govern, spend, legislate, have interns, pass pork and interfere with
freedom as much as liberals. They do it, ALL the TIME... IT HAPPENS, so what now?
Is there a conservative Unicorn who has yet to be exalted to a general election?
Have you guys been saving this mystical beast?

Now I understand the conservative religion very well...

I states that the world should only be governed by self determination.
That the rules of nature and animals should be the economic law of the land.
That the CONSTITUTION IS THERE TO DEFINE GOVERNMENT, THAT BEYOND THAT SOCIETY WILL DEFINE IT SELF BASED UPON THE ALL MIGHTY DOLLAR.

I know it, it hasn't happened, I suggest moving to Somalia or inventing a time machine
to bath in the Neanderthaloid era gone by.

All of you conservatives have benefitted greatly from this government and its ventures
on this Earth, financially speaking it has been the BEST ENDEAVOR in history.
Yet lack of helmut in a distant past prevent the ability to recognize this basic fact.
As if your unpracticed dogma will create better than the best we have ever seen-
As if you do not have the best quality of life on this planet-

In such a state, a sane person would tweek the disfunction, not blowup the whole foundation.

If you don't like government stay out of it, why even enter into something of the religion states you will do nothing???

I know, because you are just as busy and frivolous as those you demonize

have fun Gramps!


[edit on 9-6-2010 by Janky Red]



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by K J Gunderson

I am just wondering if you can refute the claim that Democrats have higher IQs in a properly formatted post? I hate to split hairs here but if you want to refute the intelligence of others, the least you could do is be smart enough to use the available code to format your post so that it is clear.



Thank you for pointing that out to me, and I apologise for any inconvenience. I'm just a poor conservative with a low IQ. You got me on this one. It appears as though I forgot to trim one[quo..].

[edit on 10-6-2010 by MY2Commoncentsworth]



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 11:26 PM
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Geez Janky and I thought we were having an adult discussion. Sorry my mistake. I just cannot seem to follow all of the rambling subjects you introduce when replying to me...or maybe I am just having a lot of trouble understanding all of the nuances of debating a progressive. It's that damn low conservative IQ I guess.

Night night Janky.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 11:38 PM
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Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by MY2Commoncentsworth
 




If liberals have high IQs, why are they having so much trouble making money?


Way to stereotype people. Last I checked there are tons of rich liberals. I consider myself liberal (or to quote Beck: progressive), and last I checked I had no money problems. I'm just now wrapping up a 2yr sabbatical because I didn't feel like working during the crisis. I was able to do that because I earned a to be honest perverse amount of money working for a major hedge fund up until the crisis. Pretty sure that wouldn't have been possible without proper knowledge of economics and finance. And don't worry, I never claimed any benefits



Thank you. I was not stereotyping people, just merely pointing out how this so called 'corelation' and Democrats stereotype people by driving a spike between the rich and the poor creating class warfare. It is a strategy that works well for the party. Congratulations on your success ..........and for not claiming any benefits..........You didn't have anything to do with the hedge fund collapse did you?



[edit on 10-6-2010 by MY2Commoncentsworth]



posted on Jun, 10 2010 @ 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by Janky Red
All of you conservatives have benefitted greatly from this government and its ventures
on this Earth, financially speaking it has been the BEST ENDEAVOR in history.


Yes wev'e all benefitted. But now the country is $13,000,000,000,000 in debt. It it expected to reach $19,000,000,000,000 by 2015. The BEST ENDEVER might not be good enough. It's a huge ...t sandwich, and were all gona have to take a bite. And with oil spils, middle east conflicts, and wars against terrrorism, coupled with the rising interest rate on the debt..and the Washington mentality of spend spend spend...I think the country is in very, very serious trouble......It is seriously .....d.


Originally posted by Janky Red
In his defense it happened to me too, I am unable to correct it for some reason.


Thank you for your support with the with the code.....it happens.

[edit on 10-6-2010 by MY2Commoncentsworth]



posted on Jun, 10 2010 @ 02:19 AM
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Originally posted by MY2Commoncentsworth

Thank you for pointing that out to me, and I apologise for any inconvenience. I'm just a poor conservative with a low IQ. You got me on this one. It appears as though I forgot to trim one[quo..].

[edit on 10-6-2010 by MY2Commoncentsworth]


Had you not so arrogantly tried to claim that Liberals or Democrats were not as smart as people such as yourself, it would not have stood out so much that you could not do something simple like count tags or edit a post correctly.

Just saying.

When trying to label and entire group of people as somehow not as smart, it really helps to not present yourself in a manner clearly demonstrating a lack of common "smarts."

Just reminded me of the post I read the other day praising the anti-immigration rally members for their ability to "speck English."



posted on Jun, 10 2010 @ 02:34 AM
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I think that judging from how messed up the world is right now, and how high corruption is in BOTH major political parties, and how each day someone in power causes another epic failure somewhere, that the entire question is based on ideology and wishful thinking rather than being based on reality. So there is no right or wrong answer to the question..

Everyone is f-kd up pretty much



posted on Jun, 10 2010 @ 02:47 AM
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Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by MY2Commoncentsworth

Thank you for pointing that out to me, and I apologise for any inconvenience. I'm just a poor conservative with a low IQ. You got me on this one. It appears as though I forgot to trim one[quo..].

[edit on 10-6-2010 by MY2Commoncentsworth]


Had you not so arrogantly tried to claim that Liberals or Democrats were not as smart as people such as yourself, it would not have stood out so much that you could not do something simple like count tags or edit a post correctly.

Just saying.

When trying to label and entire group of people as somehow not as smart, it really helps to not present yourself in a manner clearly demonstrating a lack of common "smarts."

Just reminded me of the post I read the other day praising the anti-immigration rally members for their ability to "speck English."


Yes it does sound arrogant, but not intended to be... it was a poor choice of words, but I never said that I was smart.




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