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Afghanistan: Now the Longest U.S. War

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posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 12:12 AM
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Afghanistan: Now the Longest U.S. War


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After 104 months of combat, Afghanistan has now passed Vietnam as America’s longest war. Now some key American officials from over the years are weighing in on lessons learned and successes in this military campaign.


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posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 12:12 AM
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Well there you have it, as of June 7th this is America's longest war, lasting 104 months compared to 103 months in Vietnam.


The war in Afghanistan has remained out of focus in the media because it has balanced its time with the war in Iraq, which is still an ongoing conflict. Both wars are likely to remain out of focus.

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It's as if one war serves to distract us from the other, it almost seems as if its too hard to focus on two wars so we choose to focus on neither.


Definition: war

an active struggle between competing entities;



Definition: occupation

the control of a country by military forces of a foreign power


The 'wars' in Afghanistan and Iraq are not 'wars', they are occupations. The U.S. is not fighting any enemies, so why is it constantly referred to as a war in the media? It is an occupation, Iraq has been occupied in order to seize strategic oil extraction locations, Afghanistan has been occupied in order to seize the nations drug trade which is now steadily making its way into Europe through Kosovo, both have been occupied in order to establish permanent military bases for future military actions.

The empire must die.

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posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 12:27 AM
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Exactly, these "modern wars" are so spread out and with our intel and technology, the casualties of the US in these wars are more like single battles of past wars. But we can't call it an occupation exactly, so we call it war.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 12:50 AM
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I think we should look at the casualties in Iraq... especially the civilian casualties to see whether this is a war or not. More than a million have died and yet this continues? Doesn't this occupation qualify for genocide? It is a systematic killing of the peoples of the nation of Iraq.

The empire must die.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 01:02 AM
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Originally posted by serbsta
reply to post by FrostForests
 


I think we should look at the casualties in Iraq... especially the civilian casualties to see whether this is a war or not. More than a million have died and yet this continues? Doesn't this occupation qualify for genocide? It is a systematic killing of the peoples of the nation of Iraq.

The empire must die.


It might not be genocide but it is a Muslim War of attrition, which was initially largely aimed at Iraq.

In the 1980's Iraq was seen as the one state that could deny Israel Military hegemony in the Middle East and possibly threaten its existence with a combination of a two to three other Arab States in an alliance against Israel.

All of this is laid out in declassified CIA reports available through the Freedom of Information Act.



So a series of attrition initiatives were aimed against it, starting with manipulating Iran and Iraq to fight one another, then diplomatically tricking Iraq into invading Kuwait, then destroying much of Iraq’s infrastructure through the Air War of the First Gulf War, crippling it with sanctions, in the aftermath, and then later finally invading and occupying it, once most of it’s military and infrastructure capability was whittled away.

When you look at just how well Afghanistan and Iraq are doing under U.S. Military Occupation by viewing the failed states list, it does not say a lot of our occupation, as they rank 7th and 5th worst nations to live in respectively on the failed states list.



Great post, star and flag.




[edit on 8/6/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 01:50 AM
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No disrespect to The Pentagon, but really, are you going to bankrupt your
own grandchildren,your neighbors, their children, their grandchildren,
Your sons and daughters cousins, and their cousins. Not to mention all
the infamous in- laws. We are creating another North Korea here, only this
time the bankers are going to disappear when you need their calculations the most. Does Wall Street and Foreign interests really own THE UNITED STATES
OF AMERICA and its PEOPLE ,LAND, AND MILITARY MIGHT?The answer is...
only if you let them. Let it be clear. Treason is an individual act. There is no
chain of command. The guilt rests on each individual who willingly and of
sound mind commits an act individually or in group effort that is no less
than mutiny against the sworn oath. Who are your leaders? American Citizens,
or Dual Citizenship Opportunists. Humbly, I speak for many. We beg of you
to Wrestle our Republic back from the hands of the few who would only wish
to profit at our demise.

With all Due Respect, From a relative of

Wild Bill Hickok



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 02:07 AM
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Yes a long war and what has been achieved??/

Well, some guys got oil, some guys got drugs and America has many more bases..

Apart from the wastefull deaths of locals, that about sums it up,
or we could just say it must continue because its still making

MONEY



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 02:16 AM
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Interesting post thanks for that. What do you think the ultimate aim is? Russia? Better question... what is the next step? All signs point to Iran, you only have to look at a map of the region to see this, on either side of Iran is an Empire occupied nation (Afghanistan on the right and Iraq on the left)...

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Exactly friend, to sum it up more succinctly.

All that has been achieved: Power positions and money for the Empire to continue to expand. Nothing less, nothing more.

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This is the Empire's longest war, what's taking them so long?



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 02:33 AM
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This is the Empire's longest war, what's taking them so long?


Nothing, they are not there to win..
Because then they would have to leave, simple huh...



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 02:50 AM
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Perhaps in terms of duration, but not even remotely close in terms of significance, bloodshed and lasting implications.

In the American Civil War (as just one example) there were numerous battles that recorded 30% casualties. At the Battle of Cold Harbor alone, almost 7,000 Americans fell in 20 minutes (since you are inclined to using duration as a means to gauge significance)

Modern Americans have no real concept of "war"


[edit on 8-6-2010 by supaflyrobby]



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 02:53 AM
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Agreed they are both Occupations.
The US did not declare war...They just need enough there to protect
there Oil,Drugs and new Bases....



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 02:54 AM
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If we may believe Daniel Estulin, we're going to stay for a very long time in Afghanistan. He says that thirteen huge and secret bases are being constructed there.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 02:57 AM
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G'Day All,

For us Australian's, Afghanistan has been the second longest war we have been in since the Vietnam war, it's not all about America.

[edit on 15/04/10 by Kernoonos]



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 03:01 AM
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Originally posted by supaflyrobby
Perhaps in terms of duration, but not even remotely close in terms of significance, bloodshed and lasting implications.

... (since you are inclined to using duration as a means to gauge significance)



How can you judge the significance of Afghanistan and Iraq when they haven't even officially 'finished'? I am not gauging significance through the use of duration, that's not what this is about. The significance of the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan can be judged once the Empire makes its next move, then you can gauge how successful the current occupations have been. We'll see if all these bases in Iraq and the ones in Afghanistan ultimately pay off.

Instead of looking at the duration of the Afghanistan war as just being a scale to compare it to Vietnam and the likes, use it in order to pose the question, why? Why has the Empire been there so long? In my honest opinion, it is because the next step of the operation is still in development.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 03:05 AM
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I dissagree somewhat...
Do you know the death toll from these two wars(occupations) ?
Forget the soldiers, what about the civilians???
I hear its over a million..............

They are the ones that suffered and all we hear is the few thousand soldiers that have died. Not that I like that either....



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 03:05 AM
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The war in Afghanistan was caused by negligence and greed. Our multinational corporations were determined to establish a pipeline leading from the Caspian Sea through Turkmenistan through Southern Afghanistan(Kandahar Province I believe) and finally through Pakistan to the Arab Sea.

We have been occupying their lands causing internal and external strife along with the Soviets for decades. The Soviets collapsed and we took over their role in the region through occupation. This permitted the Afghan Civil War and the establishment of the Taliban government which visited Texas while George W. Bush was governor.

They had a public press meeting then met secretly to talk. Shortly after he became president. Then September 11 happened and we launched ourselves into a war that could have been avoidable had we just left the region alone.

Now we have dragged NATO and all of our allies into a war longer than World War 2 so that the west(USA) can establish a pipeline that would give us dominance over Central Asia which is currently dominated by Russia. It is a game. We thought the war would end in early 2003 and it is now mid-2010 and no win in sight. Thousands of lives lost from not just American soldiers, all fighting for American dominance over the region.

Good job Bush and Obama.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 03:19 AM
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All true but you forgot Blair, Poppie Fields and new Bases...

Add them and your closer...



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 03:28 AM
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technically its never been a war although it shows some of the biggest symptoms



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 03:32 AM
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reply to post by Misoir
 


www.oilempire.us...

Yes it goes right through Kandahar, you are correct.

Here is a map of the larger Middle Eastern gas/oil pipelines:

moinansari.files.wordpress.com...

They mostly come out through Turkey, the Empire's puppet.

Agreed with most of what you've said friend, the Empire needs money and while its getting it, it might as well try and weaken its main enemy.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 03:39 AM
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Mr. Tony Blair was always in the situation enforcing immoral economic expansion through multinational corporations, acting as their lap dog. He was in on the sheared, but we cannot as of yet prove this. He has not had any records dating back to him that I am aware of that would place him as corrupt as George W. Bush even though quick examination of the subject would prove him equally as corrupt.

As we all know the CIA has been fighting a war on drugs, but what they do not want us to know is that they are profiting off of drugs. Latin America's Cocaine and now Afghanistan Popeye fields have been long part of their goals of mass exploitation of illegal narcotics for capital gain. There was recently a report where they came out and announced that they were involved in the manufacturing and harvesting of Popeye fields after an original statement where they declared their opposition to the harvesting and manufacturing of Popeye.

The media turned away from the subject when they said it was for defense issues. And obviously as you mentioned the military bases. Instead of a world where we control countries as subservient territories we took a different approach and built an empire around our military bases that are on all continents. They act in many different ways, to sway the politics in the region and to protect our corporate interests.



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