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Originally posted by snowspirit
No, they're harmless. Kind of science (physics, quantum physics) meets spirituality. I started to watch the first video, but the music made me turn it off. I looked into it myself for a couple of years. They teach tolerance, meditation, contemplation. They fully believe in reincarnation, afterlife, they are not religious, but teach that God is an individual truth. They say question everything, and even in their teachings, they encourage you to question, and only take in what is right for you. It costs money though, per year, and you can find out a lot of their teachings by researching around and keeping an open mind.
Their teachings go really slow, just a little bit each week is released to you, I didn't have the patience. After a short time, by the time I got the lesson, I already knew it, so I didn't want to pay for it anymore. I did learn some things about health and healing, but Deepak Chopra, is just as good of a person to look to for health teachings. They use the words illuminati, just meaning you have been illuminated to the real world. Reality is subjective.
Originally posted by snowspirit
Don't know about the Kabbalah stuff, the RC never got into that. Not the AMORC ones anyways. They don't believe in hell. I will watch the vids that you linked.
I always took the idea of hell, lucifer, demons, etc. as personal metaphors, as we all get occasionally haunted by our choices, until we learn from them, and learn to move on. I could never understand peoples ideas of "burning in hell" because when we exit this earthly life, we don't have a physical body that will feel pain
Originally posted by Nventual
The Guidestones being sinister is just one approach, pushed further by Alex Jones interpretation of them.
Personally, I think they were put there for use after a massive disaster that would wipe out society as we know it and destroy all the values and rules we had, not someones evil plans.
They are, as the name suggests, guides, not rules. They are not evil plans that the 'illuminati' are going to do, no one is going to deliberately kill off the population and do anything the stones say. They are merely for use AFTER an unplanned disaster to create an ideal and easier society. I've read the guides and I think they are all perfectly intelligent ideas and I don't see anything sinister about them at all.
Originally posted by illusionincarnate
It is my understanding that the Rosicrucians are in fact intimately connected with the so called "illuminati", although I believe this connection was stronger in the movements rise to power than it is today. The Rosicrucians were basically rich, intelligent people with a powerful grasp over the media of the 17th century; if I recall there was an incident where a king had some amongst them tried because they released some heavy propaganda against him through theatre. In any case, media control has always been a central facet of what these people do..
Furthermore, if you follow their evolution a bit further in you will note the ties they held to the "invisible college" which eventually metamorphized into the Royal Society of London and in turn, modern scientific and medical understanding as we know it (including the invention of, for example, vaccination). In the words of the founders themselves, they were out to reform the entirety of knowledge in the world, believing humankind to be a tabula rasa... the imperialistic nature of the British government provided an excellent platform to manipulate the beliefs of vast numbers of humans, from many cultures.
As far as what the Kaballah really is all about; I see it as representative of the many strata of consciousness in the world; you have the four worlds of consciousness, ascending from what might be considered the consciousness of a rock, into vegetables, beasts, lower man, and up into higher man and God consciousness. Man can be made to have the consciousness of a rock, or a beast, if need be; and as I understand it once the higher consciousness of a man is removed they are no longer considered human, at all (ie you can do whatever you wish to them, without guilt)...
I realize this is a very broken, inadequate way of presenting it, I'll refine it a bit when I'm off the phone.
Originally posted by franklin555
I just joined ATS in order to put my two cents in. The Qabalah is a symbol of God. It is also known as the Tree of Life. The left side is not Luciferian. The left side (looking on at the tree) is actually to symbolize the right hand or arm. What I mean, is that you would look at the tree as if it were yourself. The "left side" looking on is symbolized by a black pillar, and the "right side" (looking on) is symbolized by a white pillar. The true meanings of these pillars is actually Mercy and Strength. Or Masculine and Feminine. Neither pillar is better than the other, and in fact there is a third pillar that resides in the middle. This third pillar would almost be analogous to the chakra system in the human body. The lowest one associated with the Root Chakra, and the top most "sephiroth" is akin to the Crown Chakra. It is from this Crown Chakra that humans connect with God. And of course, the symbolism has much more to offer than what I've just laid down, but basically that is what it symbolizes.
I also want to say that the Qabalah has been around for long time. Each society that utilized it, brought to it a new understanding. From what I gather, and if anyone can correct me on this, please do, it was the Jewish faith in Spain that was the last to adopt and nurture this glyph and symbolism (going from Egypt, to Greece, to Persia, and then to Spain with the Moors).