If Isreal wanted to stop Hamas, then stop funding them

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I know, I've heard who funds hamas, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan ... its all a bunch
of horse crap. HAMAS uses banks and who owns the banks.... Jewish Bankers. so if the wanted to shut Hamas down, confiscate their bank accounts.
but this link suggest a more direct funding route directly from the people of Isreal. ????????? to many worms to count

for you Mossad types:
You guys had better hurry up, come Jan. 2011, you guys are going to be rounded up here in the USA. seems we have a few jail cells vacant for Isreali agents. All we have to offer you is 3 square meals a day and hard labor. I have heard word of us even wanting to kick you ass for 911. but thats still a few months out yet... AIPAC is toast

[edit on 7-6-2010 by Anti-Evil]

[edit on 7-6-2010 by Anti-Evil]

I think that there is a real interest in keeping the enemy alive, this justifies receiving all the $$ and aid to fight off the so called enemy...

Magnum

I think its too late to reverse the actions of the Elite - since they are the ones attempting to rewire the world, and we are fixing to take them out...
so, I would say - we are screwed blued and tatooed -
and its too late to recall the revolution as well ...
it's going to get really interesting over the next few years thats for sure
its a great time to fight for the right - we might not get a chance like this for several haundred years... we had better not let a good crisis go to waste.... I love using there lines...

Sorry, but this thread is insincere. The source you are quoting (and other sources I have seen before) state, that Israel HAS BEEN funding Hamas back in the 80s, when the PLO was still supposed to be the bigger threat for them.
As awkward as that might be today, the title of this thread and your posts suggest, that they keep financing them to this date. Neither in your source nor in any other source, I have found, is there any evidence for this ridiculous suggestion.

Your argument "HAMAS uses banks and who owns the banks ... Jewish Banker" is really a dumb antisemitic slur - there are lots of Banks owned by Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Atheists...
Antisemitism does NOT at all help solve the problems of palestinian people, it just provides arguments, and cover to hide behind, for those elements inside the Israeli government, that promote violence instead of negotiations, and support the militant settlement policies, out of imperialistic motives. AND it offends a lot of jewish people, who do not support this policies.
Dont help blurring the lines between Judaism and Zionism. Dont help violent Imperialists hide behind everyone who ever read the Talmud or the Torah. Dont hate on innocent people.

[edit on 7-6-2010 by XenoStuffz]

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Yea I know, I got in a fight over it about 5 years ago, with a Isreali American - he heard me talking to a ole shipmate about USS Liberty. and he basically called me a liar in so many words - and there was a pay to use hotel computer in the lobby so I sprung for the 2$ so, he could say he was sorry - he even asked for me to forgive his leaders, I told him then that LBJ ordered the ship to the bottom - but that did not excuse Isreal from her acts of war, and I would expect the consequences since I'm a nobody and I know of it... and there are alot more hard core Navy People out there than I. I'm easy - some of the folks I served with - well they are nutz.....

anyway here you go: Failed False Flags excellent video if you havent seen it yet...
www.youtube.com...

answer a question for me.... Who is Al Qaeda...? mossad or cia...?
its a trick question... Mossad and CIA are one in the same and you can also include MI-5 - MI-6 and ISI as well, also - we sent people to Syria for torture... Syria you heard me correctly - they are on our enemies list and we sending them people to be tortured...? exactly what the hell is going on here.

when I think of their missions is to protect their individual nations from enemies - what enemies - leave it up to the people we have a hard enough time keeping our families happy much less look to start wars.
so, they dont protect their nations from other nations they protect the ELITE Power Structure and are the evil within.


[edit on 8-6-2010 by Anti-Evil]

Originally posted by Anti-Evil
reply to post by XenoStuffz


answer a question for me.... Who is Al Qaeda...? mossad or cia...?
its a trick question... Mossad and CIA are one in the same and you can also include MI-5 - MI-6 and ISI as well, also - we sent people to Syria for torture... Syria you heard me correctly - they are on our enemies list and we sending them people to be tortured...? exactly what the hell is going on here.

when I think of their missions is to protect their individual nations from enemies - what enemies - leave it up to the people we have a hard enough time keeping our families happy much less look to start wars.
so, they dont protect their nations from other nations they protect the ELITE Power Structure and are the evil within.


[edit on 8-6-2010 by Anti-Evil]

Actually Al-Quaeda was a backwater terrorist organization, that couldnt keep anyone scared for more than a day, compared to the UNA-Bomber, the IRA smuggling 2 tons of pure TNT to target, the RAF deploying precision-timed mines on assassination attempts, McVeigh destroying a building block with a fertilizer bomb... until a maddog neighbor of mine flew an airplane into the Twin Towers.

And George W. Bush took the american paranoia on a ride around the globus. I always wondered, why noone proposed to bomb Hamburg-Harburg?

And, the Mossad and the ISI and the CIA and Hallyburton and the Saud-clan, the Bin-Laden-family and Blackwater in a way all feel the same, but they are all still different.

yet another strike for justice
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Israeli document: Gaza blockade isn't about security
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JERUSALEM — As Israel ordered a slight easing of its blockade of the Gaza Strip Wednesday, McClatchy obtained an Israeli government document that describes the blockade not as a security measure but as "economic warfare" against the Islamist group Hamas, which rules the Palestinian territory.

Israel imposed severe restrictions on Gaza in June 2007, after Hamas won elections and took control of the coastal enclave after winning elections there the previous year, and the government has long said that the aim of the blockade is to stem the flow of weapons to militants in Gaza.

Last week, after Israeli commandos killed nine volunteers on a Turkish-organized Gaza aid flotilla, Israel again said its aim was to stop the flow of terrorist arms into Gaza.

However, in response to a lawsuit by Gisha, an Israeli human rights group, the Israeli government explained the blockade as an exercise of the right of economic warfare.

"A country has the right to decide that it chooses not to engage in economic relations or to give economic assistance to the other party to the conflict, or that it wishes to operate using 'economic warfare,'" the government said.

McClatchy obtained the government's written statement from Gisha, the Legal Center for Freedom of Movement, which sued the government for information about the blockade. The Israeli high court upheld the suit, and the government delivered its statement earlier this year.

Sari Bashi, the director of Gisha, said the documents prove that Israel isn't imposing its blockade for its stated reasons, but rather as collective punishment for the Palestinian population of Gaza. Gisha focuses on Palestinian rights.

(A State Department spokesman, who wasn't authorized to speak for the record, said he hadn't seen the documents in question.)

The Israeli government took an additional step Wednesday and said the economic warfare is intended to achieve a political goal. A government spokesman, who couldn't be named as a matter of policy, told McClatchy that authorities will continue to ease the blockade but "could not lift the embargo altogether as long as Hamas remains in control" of Gaza.

President Barack Obama, after receiving Mahmoud Abbas, the head of the Palestinian Authority, said the situation in Gaza is "unsustainable." He pledged an additional $400 million in aid for housing, school construction and roads to improve daily life for Palestinians — of which at least $30 million is earmarked for Gaza.

Israel's blockade of Gaza includes a complex and ever-changing list of goods that are allowed in. Items such as cement or metal are barred because they can be used for military purposes, Israeli officials say.

According to figures published by Gisha in coordination with the United Nations, Israel allows in 25 percent of the goods it had permitted into Gaza before the Hamas takeover. In the years prior to the closure, Israel allowed an average of 10,400 trucks to enter Gaza with goods each month. Israel now allows approximately 2,500 trucks a month.

The figures show that Israel also has limited the goods allowed to enter Gaza to 40 types of items, while before June 2007 approximately 4,000 types of goods were listed as entering Gaza.

Israel expanded its list slightly Wednesday to include soda, juice, jam, spices, shaving cream, potato chips, cookies and candy, said Palestinian liaison official Raed Fattouh, who coordinates the flow of goods into Gaza with Israel.

"I think Israel wants to defuse international pressure," said Fattouh. "They want to show people that they are allowing things into Gaza."

It was the first tangible step taken by Israel in the wake of the unprecedented international criticism it's faced over the blockade following last week's Israeli raid on the high seas.

While there have been mounting calls for an investigation into the manner in which Israel intercepted the flotilla, world leaders have also called for Israel to lift its blockade on Gaza.

At his meeting with Abbas, Obama said the Security Council had called for a "credible, transparent investigation that met international standards." He added: "And we meant what we said. That's what we expect."

He also called for an easing of Israel's blockade. "It seems to us that there should be ways of focusing narrowly on arms shipments, rather than focusing in a blanket way on stopping everything and then, in a piecemeal way, allowing things into Gaza," he told reporters.

Egypt, which controls much of Gaza's southern border, reopened the Rafah crossing this week in response to international pressure to lift the blockade.

Egypt has long been considered Israel's partner in enforcing the blockade, but Egyptian Foreign Minister Hossam Zaki said the Rafah crossing will remain open indefinitely for Gazans with special permits. In the past, the border has been opened sporadically.

Maxwell Gaylard, the U.N.'s humanitarian coordinator in the Palestinian territories, said the international community is seeking an "urgent and fundamental change" in Israel's policy regarding Gaza rather than a piecemeal approach.

"A modest expansion of the restrictive list of goods allowed into Gaza falls well short of what is needed. We need a fundamental change and an opening of crossings for commercial goods," he said.

Hamas officials said that they were "disappointed" by Israel's announcement, and that the goods fell far short of what was actually needed.

"They will send the first course. We are waiting for the main course," Palestinian Economy Minister Hassan Abu Libdeh said in Ramallah, specifying that construction materials were the item that Gazans need most. Many Palestinians have been unable to build their homes in the wake of Operation Cast Lead, Israel's punishing offensive in the Gaza Strip in December 2008 and January 2009.

Israel said the cement and other construction goods could be used to build bunkers and other military installations.



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