who's with you if the SHTF?, page 2


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reply posted on 7-6-2010 @ 04:12 PM by Phlynx
Originally posted by ShadowAngel85
reply to post by Big Raging Loner


Oh i'm only 24 also, but i say: What whould such a life be? Just try to imagine it or if it helps watch some post-apocalyptic movies or play the Fallout Games to understand how it could be (Certainly reality would be even worse than some fantasies)
I just don't think that struggling to survive in a destroyed world without hope is it worth, risking your life and i mean certainly most people would go berzerk in such a situation and develop right back to caveman and i don't want to experience that.

But tell me why would you want to survive?


It is a chance to get out of our worlds patterns. It is a chance to explore the world. It is a tribal freedom.

Some people may see this as a way out.


reply posted on 7-6-2010 @ 04:56 PM by Doc Holiday
reply to post by da elohim


I have been diggin through the "search" tab in ATS...sorry I can't find the thread, its about a year old maybe someone else will remember it.
About neighbors and those around you in a SHTF moment..

Long story short is, if your not going it alone, or with only family....
ask yourself what you would do, if you learned that your neighbor had food stockpiled and was prepared for just such an event....
I'd hunt him down to save my kids or family...would you or your group?

Or even if your in a group as you say and the rationings or cover, is not as plentiful as needed...and one of your family or group is outed for younger or more productive maters, "it will become a natural pecking order" if that makes sense.
You gonna keep the group mentallity...or get your wife or kid what is needed..even if that means "culling" a less productive member of the group...

Not to menntion, basic military/gorilla warfare techniques, will be used by those true survivalists, they will not kill members of your group...they will wound them...dead ppl don't need help, the wounded man, takes down at least one other person, for medical treatment.

Not saying you should avoid all ppl...just have your mind in the right place, and be prepared for quick selfish actions, if you wait on the group...I'm affraid its already too late, and someone else made your mind up for you...


reply posted on 7-6-2010 @ 09:45 PM by KrispyB
When the SHTF I'm not so sure there won't be a military of sorts (maybe U.N. troops) instructing people to go to thier friendly neighborhood FEMA CAMPS and turn in any weapons they may posses. Of course the good sheep will trust them totally and give away thier last means of defending thier right to live but not everyone is that brainwashed sheep. I have a plan myself. I can't tell you exactly what it is because it's where abouts could be discovered if anyone recognized it's description. I can survive off the land myself but I don't want to live with alot of others, just close family. According to some film footage I've seen, the military will consider anyone who doesn't turn themselves in to a FEMA Camp, a terrorist. So, I feel there will be less chance of being spotted with less numbers. I will not live in a conventional log cabin, lean to, or even a cave for they are easy to spot also. I have a whole different way of sheltering myself that will be undetectable. too bad I can't get a patent on it, fudge! I just need to plot a destination that has a clean water source, preferrably a mountain lake or stream off a mountain lake that isn't contaminated. Another reason I don't want to live out in the open is because of the likelyhood that gangs of people will be out there too and may not be so friendly. It's scarey but I'm ready. Talking like this may make me appear somewhat paranoid but I see it like this, better to be prepared with a plan than not and get caught with your pants down. Let's just hope it doesn't come down to having to use that plan.


reply posted on 7-6-2010 @ 10:35 PM by Doc Velocity
Well, as I've said before, there's no reason to "head for the hills" when TSHTF... All you're going to find out in the hills are a lot of people unprepared to survive in the wilderness, and they're going to panic when reality sets in — I'd wager there will be more hysteria, marauding and outright cannibalism "up in the hills" than we'll ever see if we just stay at home.

Which is where I'm planning to stay. My house is 100 years old, is built better than modern structures, and has room for me to store years worth of supplies and ammunition — unlike the "bug-outs," who will only be able to rely on the supplies they can carry.

Seriously, I think 6 months after TSHTF, more than 80% of the "bug-outs" will be dead, their bones bleaching on a sunny hillside, while I'll still be holding forth in my fortress. I know this building, I know how to defend it, and I'm not at all hesitant about putting down looters like the vermin they are.

As a further deterrent, taking a page from Vlad Dracula's playbook, I've even entertained the notion of impaling looters' heads on spikes in the front yard. What worked a thousand years ago will still work today.

As for those who will join me... well... My wife, for certain. She and I took on the Continental Divide and Canadian Rockies for ten straight days, unarmed, with nothing more than our backpacks to sustain us, so I know she's equal to a little hardship.

One of my neighbors is a hardened Army captain, so he and his family would be welcome to join us, and I'd supply the arsenal. We already have a couple of years supply of canned and dehydrated food to comfortably accommodate two people, or a single year of supplies for a group of people on rations.

So, I think I'd be happy with a small handful of survivors living in my home for an indefinite period of time — as long as the sight of blood didn't make them faint of heart. Because, yes, most assuredly, there will be blood.

— Doc Velocity


reply posted on 7-6-2010 @ 10:47 PM by KrispyB
reply to post by Doc Velocity
Ok, but what is your contingency plan if the military come into your neighborhood and tell you to come with them to a FEMA CAMP or other detention center. If you resist you will likely get shot, you can't defend against them for too long and you definitely don't want them to lead you to your resting place either. You can't say that will not happen because if the SHTF, Martial Law is very likely to be declared, then you've all of a sudden ran out of constitutional rights. You will have to do as you're told, at the end of a better weapon than what you have and more of them. I will take my chances out in the hills, thank you.


reply posted on 7-6-2010 @ 11:03 PM by Loken68
reply to post by da elohim


I like this kind of post.
s/f
My family would tribe up and hit the woods. The main problem I see though is everyone Else's tribe also hitting the woods.


reply posted on 8-6-2010 @ 01:03 AM by Doc Velocity
Originally posted by KrispyB
reply to post by Doc Velocity
You will have to do as you're told, at the end of a better weapon than what you have and more of them.

Actually, no, the American military is no better equipped than I am. And, no, there aren't "more of them"... The American military (all branches included) contains only about 2 million personnel — can you imagine 2 million people policing over 300 million?

It aint gonna happen.

Even if 75% of all civilians just surrender immediately, that still leaves around 80 million civilians who, not coincidentally, are the American Gunowners. Some 80 million Americans own nearly 300 million firearms and an incalculable cache of ammunition.

So, do you seriously think 2 million military personnel are going to strong-arm 80 million armed citizens who KNOW somebody is coming to take their weapons, their means of survival?

It aint happening.

Let's take a brief look at what would happen if only 1% of all gunowners decided to physically fight the military — that's still 8 million gunowners versus 2 million military personnel. How about if only one-tenth of 1% decided to fight the government? That's still 800,000 gunowners versus the military.

No. The military wouldn't (couldn't) win. They would have to resort to heavy artillery and carpet bombing — but what American soldier is going to agree to waging heavy warfare against his own country? Very damned few.

The military would suffer desertion like it's never seen. And every deserter would represent another opponent in the battle. As word of the rebellion spread, the remaining gunowners would certainly take up arms, so the military would suffer a withering defeat; plus, they will have outraged the American people. The retribution will be swift and merciless.

Should the government decide to wage war on the American people, the best the military could do is stage a coup against the government and topple the regime. That's the only win-win situation. Otherwise, the military would get its ass handed to them on a silver platter.

This old bullcrap about Americans just giving up meekly and handing over their firearms without a fight is a lot of police-state propaganda. I know and have talked about this very subject with many gunowners from many walks of life, and none would go meekly, as long as their weapons were within reach.

Same here. If I'm going down, I'm taking down my share of the Nazis with me.

— Doc Velocity
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