Originally posted by OldDragger
One of the last sacred cows is taxing churches? The Constitution is clear on seperation of church and state, so why the UnConsitutional exemption
for churches? Please read before you Christians cry unfair!
Believe what ever you want, but why should the public pay for it? The time has come to end this scam.
Tax the Churches
[edit on 7-6-2010 by OldDragger]
" Because it costs you and me billions. We are not talking chump change here. Consider that for every tax dollar a religious organization does not
pay, you and I pay it on its behalf. Many are among the wealthiest organizations in the world: by 1971, the amount of real and personal property owned
by U.S. churches was approx. $110 billion. In New York City alone, the amount was $3 billion in 1989. A 1986 estimate showed religious income in that
year of approx. $100 billion, or about five times the income of the five largest corporations in the U.S. All tax free. "
[edit on 7-6-2010 by OldDragger]
If you are going to "quote" the US Constitution get you facts right...
Separation of Church and State - The Metaphor and the Constitution
"Separation of church and state" is a common metaphor that is well recognized. Equally well recognized is the metaphorical meaning of the church
staying out of the state's business and the state staying out of the church's business. Because of the very common usage of the "separation of
church and state phrase," most people incorrectly think the phrase is in the constitution. The phrase "wall of separation between the church and the
state" was originally coined by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Danbury Baptists on January 1, 1802. His purpose in this letter was to assuage
the fears of the Danbury, Connecticut Baptists, and so he told them that this wall had been erected to protect them. The metaphor was used exclusively
to keep the state out of the church's business, not to keep the church out of the state's business.
The constitution states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Both the
free exercise clause and the establishment clause place restrictions on the government concerning laws they pass or interfering with religion. No
restrictions are placed on religions except perhaps that a religious denomination cannot become the state religion.
However, currently the implied common meaning and the use of the metaphor is strictly for the church staying out of the state's business. The
opposite meaning essentially cannot be found in the media, the judiciary, or in public debate and is not any part of the agenda of the ACLU or the
This, in conjunction with several other factors, makes the "separation of church and state" metaphor an icon for eliminating anything having to do
with Christian theism, the religion of our heritage, in the public arena. One of these factors is the use of the metaphor in place of the actual words
of the constitution in discourse and debate. This allows the true meaning of the words in the constitution to be effectively changed to the implied
meaning of the metaphor and the effect of the "free exercise" clause to be obviated. Another factor facilitating the icon to censor all forms of
Christian theism in the public arena is a complete misunderstanding of the "establishment" clause.
Separation of Church and State - The Establishment Clause in Context
In addition to the "Separation of Church and State" metaphor misrepresenting the words of the establishment clause, the true meaning of the
establishment clause is also misrepresented. The "establishment" clause states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
religion. . ." Before these words can be put in context and the true meaning of the clause can be correctly identified, we need to examine the word
"religion" and put it in America's historical context at the time the constitution was framed. In addition, we need to examine the previous
European historical background of the founders of our country to identify what specifically motivated them to place the "establishment" clause in
To accomplish this, we need to add more specificity to the word "religion" to clarify both the American and European historical backgrounds and put
the word "religion" in proper context. We need to delineate between doctrinal and denominational religion. We also need to understand that the
doctrinal religion being discussed is Christian Theism, which is defined by a belief in the Bible. We know what specific Christian denominational
Separation of Church and State - Constitution Framers Historical Context
The "Separation of Church and State" metaphor blurs the distinction between a doctrinal religion and a denominational religion. This places the
doctrinal religion we have embraced in the same basket as an organized denominational religion with potential to merge with the state. The documentary
evidence of the doctrinal Christian religion origin of this nation is voluminous. The Supreme Court thoroughly studied this issue, and in 1892 gave
what is known as the Trinity Decision. In that decision the Supreme Court declared, "this is a Christian nation." John Quincy Adams said, "The
highest glory of the American Revolution was, it connected in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of
Christianity." The founders were definitely Christian for the most part. At least 90 to 95 percentage of them were practicing, Trinitarian
Christians. This and the additional supporting evidence below show conclusively that the concern that motivated the framers to include the
establishment clause in the constitution was definitely not fear of the doctrinal religion of Christian Theism. It was understood that Christian
Theism was the default state doctrinal religion. As opposed to being something to fear, it was something believed to be vital to the success of our
government. Consequently, the framers feared a state denominational religion not a state doctrinal religion! Some additional evidences that indicate
Christian Theism was the national doctrinal religion are listed below:
Emblazoned over the Speaker of the House in the US Capitol are the words "In God We Trust."
The Supreme Court building built in the 1930's has carvings of Moses and the Ten Commandments.
God is mentioned in stone all over Washington D.C., on its monuments and buildings.
As a nation, we have celebrated Christmas to commemorate the Savior's birth for centuries.
Oaths in courtrooms have invoked God from the beginning.
The founding fathers often quoted the Bible in their writings.
Every president that has given an inaugural address has mentioned God in that speech.
Prayers have been said at the swearing in of each president.
Each president was sworn in on the Bible, saying the words, "So help me God."
Our national anthem mentions God.
The liberty bell has a Bible verse engraved on it.
The original constitution of all 50 states mentions God.
Chaplains have been in the public payroll from the very beginning.
Our nations birth certificate, the Declaration of Independence, mentions God four times.
The Bible was used as a textbook in the schools.