“All I saw in Israel was cowards with guns”

Another interview with Ken O'keefe:

www.liveleak.com...

Al jazeera.

Originally posted by gncnew
Ken O'Keefe is not exactly a creditable source. He was a Marine and then discharged for "speaking out about abuse of power".

Is there something wrong in speaking out in that way in the US Army? does all brain tissue for the marines have to be replaced with muscle?.

As regards the Israeli blockade, it is illegal in international waters, and to board a ship using force is piracy, and up to five people were shot in the head, does this not sound like a marksman? I did not know at first that so many were killed in the same way. In their own waters they can do what they like.

For those who see the way that the Zionists, who rule Israel, (not all Israelis are Zionists) behave as admirable, should think again. Even David Ben Gurion, the founder of Israel renounced Zionism before he died in 1973.

Originally posted by Irish Matador
reply to post by sonofmuldernscully

 

Since you are so understanding and experienced of such conflicts , that would mean that you understand the Irish history and can appreciate the formation of the I.R.A??

Take your time with your reply...I have waited years already!!

Tiocaidh ar la!!!

Never Forget!!

Oliver Cromwell Nit's make Lice ! , the Great Famine Potato Blight , Irish Land was forced to producing crops for the British while Irish People were starving , least not forget the Slaughter of 1916 , political Prisoners of H Block, Bobby Sands !! , Sunday bloody Sunday! ,Irish need not apply in America! mid to late 19th century ! the Troubled Times ! of 1969 to now

goes along with the 1948 clearing evacuation & relocation of Palestinians from Israel sort a like what the Nazi did to the Jews ! in Germany and Poland ! and what America did to the Native Americans and thrown them in land called RESERVATIONS !! as the Native Americans ( aka Indians ) as they did not want to go along with the relocation Program ! Repeat Repeat Ethnic Cleansing ! or we can Go We Back to 12th century to William Wallace ! So much of this Repeating


you may Call them Terrorist as some call them Freedom Fighter's
it Depends on what degree! Especially Fighting on the land you were Born and raised on ! like Ireland IRA ! & Palestine PLO and you Wonder why
they have Something in Common ! well Except for the Blowing themselves up part..

Jews of the Orthodox Faith are against this



Did we have a Problem with the Middle East before 1948 ?



The Perfect Example is the I.R.A From the Start..

Lets listen to some 12th Graders From Israel
what they think !






[edit on 8-6-2010 by Wolfenz]

Originally posted by Eagleheart56
O'Keefe was just one of many troublemakers aboard the ship that day, they were there to incite trouble for the Israelis and they did so to the satisfaction of the left and the various Islamic terrorist groups sponsoring their actions, O'Keefe is not worthy of being a Marine or an American and hopefully he will remain with his people the moslems.

Well you know there is Christian Persian/Arabics in Palestine right ?

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by Peruvianmonk
reply to post by Flatwoods

 

Hamas has not launched a suicide bomb attack since 2005. 5 years ago.

I would sort of like to see evidence of that.

2008
Ever since Israel withdrew its troops from Gaza in 2005, Hamas has used Gaza as a launching pad for its campaign of genocide against Israel and its citizens. Hamas has been firing rockets (about 2,000 so far) from Gaza into Israel, especially on the town of Sderot, with the objective of killing as many Jewish civilians as possible. It has done so from within civilian areas. The Israeli government failed to answer these attacks until just recently, when it finally showed resolve to defend its own citizens and launched some attacks and killed over 100 Hamas terrorists.

Ashkelon, a city of 120,000 situated about 11 miles from Gaza, has occasionally also been hit by Kassam rockets; but in recent days, as Hamas has received, apparently from Iran, Grad rockets, larger and with greater range, the terror organization has targeted Ashkelon with more dangerous bombardments, widening the target area for its campaign aimed at mass murder of civilians.

Hamas Charter, "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."
Source

Originally posted by Irish Matador
reply to post by sonofmuldernscully

 

Since you are so understanding and experienced of such conflicts , that would mean that you understand the Irish history and can appreciate the formation of the I.R.A??

Take your time with your reply...I have waited years already!!

Tiocaidh ar la!!!

How far do you want to go back in Irish history? most of the earliest inhabitants of Ireland, Scotland and Wales were most likely of Spanish origin, so you can forget about Celts and Anglo-saxons and the Vikings, they are only later examples and not indiginous. So, the gene pool will probably show that we all have a common, and for the sake of arguement, Neolithic source. That period led to farming and settlement and so on. The arid regions of north Africa continued to be more Nomadic, and tribal right up to modern times. That's where the crafty Zionists snook in, basically a landgrab.

Originally posted by smurfy
As regards the Israeli blockade, it is illegal in international waters,

No, it isn't. No one has yet been able to produce a shred of relevant law saying it is, and therefore it is NOT 'illegal', as no law has been broken.

and to board a ship using force is piracy,

No, it isn't. The laws on Piracy are quite clear, as are those involving dealing with blockade runners.

and up to five people were shot in the head, does this not sound like a marksman?

So they are good shots, and that's a crime? My last qualification scores of which I have a record were 94% daytime, 96% night, on a modified FBI course. That means I'm a fair shot, and I guarantee trouble to anyone who tries to whack me in the head with a steel pipe. To be honest, once they make themselves into combatants, I'm gonna drop 'em like a rock, and use head shots to make sure no body armor gets in the way of stopping them from trying to kill me. I'll not apologize for being a fair shot, and neither should they.

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by smurfy
As regards the Israeli blockade, it is illegal in international waters,

No, it isn't. No one has yet been able to produce a shred of relevant law saying it is, and therefore it is NOT 'illegal', as no law has been broken.

and to board a ship using force is piracy,

No, it isn't. The laws on Piracy are quite clear, as are those involving dealing with blockade runners.

Originally posted by smurfy

Originally posted by gncnew
Ken O'Keefe is not exactly a creditable source. He was a Marine and then discharged for "speaking out about abuse of power".

Is there something wrong in speaking out in that way in the US Army? does all brain tissue for the marines have to be replaced with muscle?.
...

Nothing wrong with speaking out - but what I meant is that is not why he got kicked out. In my experience every Marine who was booted used some lame excuse of where they were the victim but in all actuality they usually did something pretty stupid.

The Marines actually train the mind as it's our best weapon. The body can only do that which the mind commands it.

reply to post by nenothtu


I'm not so quick to legitimize the Israeli blockade, but your statements regarding kill shots and the like are spot on.

I've cross trained with IDF, and I whole-heartedly dislike the racist and murderous little punks, but their "commandos" being able to lodge a 9mm in the brain cavity is nothing but a result of training. From my experiences, I'm actually surprised they were able to hit their targets with such lethal accuracy.

The blame rests squarely on IDF command and the Israeli government, as the soldiers were following orders. To be honest, as much as I would like to believe I have been a fair and humane soldier, if I was still serving and had been fast-roping onto the deck of a ship, I would have put two in the chest and one in the head of every single man or woman showing aggression with a weapon, be it a knife or a blunt object.

You seem to be familiar with combat training, understanding that after enough of it, reactions and shot placement become second nature, a reflex if you will.

I am wholly against the blockade, as it is run. I am not naive enough, however, to place the blame for this operation onto anyone except the commanding element(s) of Israel.

Yep, I was in an argument with some TOOL on another thread about the cowardly actions of the Israelis and he was defending them. I'm glad that he literally called the people that back them, whores.

Well here it is. A former Marine telling it like it is.

Wake up America.

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by smurfy
As regards the Israeli blockade, it is illegal in international waters,

No, it isn't. No one has yet been able to produce a shred of relevant law saying it is, and therefore it is NOT 'illegal', as no law has been broken.

and to board a ship using force is piracy,

No, it isn't. The laws on Piracy are quite clear, as are those involving dealing with blockade runners.

and up to five people were shot in the head, does this not sound like a marksman?

So they are good shots, and that's a crime? My last qualification scores of which I have a record were 94% daytime, 96% night, on a modified FBI course. That means I'm a fair shot, and I guarantee trouble to anyone who tries to whack me in the head with a steel pipe. To be honest, once they make themselves into combatants, I'm gonna drop 'em like a rock, and use head shots to make sure no body armor gets in the way of stopping them from trying to kill me. I'll not apologize for being a fair shot, and neither should they.

You again.

Well, now you're doubting the statement of a U.S. Marine, or someone who actually SERVED his country. He properly referred to those just like you in his statement. Read it again...you might LOVE what he called you. I must say, I'm in full agreement.

By the way...I'm still waiting for your sources, links, and information that clearly states that Israel was correct for doing what they did. And, no one believes that you're a marksman of any caliber.

Show us evidence.

By the way, this post goes to nenothtu who backs the actions of sociopathic cowards.


[edit on 8-6-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

Until Ken can produce a unit, division something other than "I'm a former Marine" he's full of thick brown stuff. Any Marine worth his salt can tell you EXACTLY what he did and WHERE he did it. For instance one of my close friends exclaims all the time " Lance Corporal Mike G&&&&, 3rd LAR bravo company 29 palms" Granted he served during Somalia and things change, but Marines don't. People run around all day long and "claim" to be Marines, but you can weed them out pretty quick. Even if he was discharged under less than honorable, he should have a dd214. I would be interested in viewing that.
There is a certain lingo that those in the military in general use with each other and we can tell who has and who hasn't served. It's like a brick layer trying to speak geek with a network specialist... just sounds off.

[edit on 8-6-2010 by brutalsun]

reply to post by brutalsun


you are correct to an extent. my own opinion is that the verbal aptitude of an individual before serving has a lot to do with his or her vocabulary after serving. Marines possess a lingo all their own, and even within the military, you can pin-point certain branches with a few choice words. I have not heard enough from this supposed former Marine to make a judgement call. I am naive enough to still believe we live in a world where a man's (or woman's) word is worth more than gold, but lying and bullsquating seem to be the norm these days.

I retain very little of the distinctive military lingo in my day to day communications. It will come out if the subject of conversation is military in nature, but that is the general extent of it. I would not be willing to question a man's service unless further evidence could be provided. If questioned and WILLING, any grunt worth his weight in sh# should be able to recall their posting(s) down to the last detail. I highlight willing because there are large number of reasons someone would not want to disclose that information.

Just my .01, I would give you .02, but you know, the recession and all.

reply to post by Shark VA84


Spoken like a man who knows whereof he speaks. We are at odds on the decisions made at the upper echelons, but that's not an insurmountable thing. I'd still buy you a beer.

Where we agree, I think, is that the soldiers did what soldiers do, and what rational folks would do if dropped into that pot of grease. It's a natural reaction in favor of self preservation, I would say. Your body will naturally gravitate to what it was trained to do, under stress. Their training was geared more towards violent action than the average person, but ALL will act in the interest of self preservation under stress.

I personally feel that the upper echelons botched it by assuming that 'peace activists' will act peacefully. Assumptions get people killed, and the upper rank folks are far enough away not to have to fear for personal safety. I think that the IDF soldiers 'actions' were more on the order of 'REACTIONS', and when they perceived a threat, Mr Murphy came into play, and it all went sideways.

The upper ranks are guilty of faulty planning, based upon erroneous assumptions. As has been said, "the soldiers fight, yet the kings are heroes". In other words, they'll only take credit for successes purchased by the blood of others, and failures are something they'll try to shrug off, onto the shoulders of underlings.

reply to post by nenothtu


I'll take you up on that beer, if only figuratively.

We definitely see eye to eye on many points. I am still dumbfounded by the sheer ignorance of the mission plan. I think you are correct when you say that IDF command assumed they were going to be inserting troops into a field of flower-wielding hippies. Even as such, I would surely go for a more stealth insertion, assuming IDF naval SOC units were up to the task. Complete cluster-* no matter how you look at it though.

As you said, soldiers will do what they do, as will others. While it may pi** in your cheerios that the IDF is interfering with your much needed aid, when the proverbial trigger has been pulled and armed operators are on your deck; sh* or get off the pot. Either you become aggresive and prepare to fight to the death or you give up the ghost and plant your face on the deck, submitting fully.

The leaders of this world are unreliable, and I mean ALL of them. Until we can collectively reform our command structures, conflict will occur and people will die. There's not much right or wrong in any of it.

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
You again.

Yeah, me again. I'm not hungry, so don't make me eat your lunch.

Well, now you're doubting the statement of a U.S. Marine, or someone who actually SERVED his country. He properly referred to those just like you in his statement. Read it again...you might LOVE what he called you. I must say, I'm in full agreement.

I wasn't a Marine. Never claimed to be, nor to have 'trained' them. Because of that, I have to abide by what those around me who WERE Marines have to say on the matter, and I've already posted that. Not gonna do it again. I don't particularly worry about what HE or YOU have to say about me, since they told me not to sweat it. They know me, who I am, where I've been, what I've done, all of that. Neither he nor you do, so I'll give their opinions a bit more weight.

BTW, they ARE Marines and former Marines, haven't just claimed to have "trained Marines".

By the way...I'm still waiting for your sources, links, and information that clearly states that Israel was correct for doing what they did. And, no one believes that you're a marksman of any caliber.

Show us evidence.

All of the evidence you begged for before is STILL posted where it was. Not gonna post it again.

The only new request is for my Q-scores. I'll be more than happy to send the sheet to any mod that wants to step in to confirm it, but not you. You don't rate it. I'll even send it to Shark VA84 for confirmation, if you don't trust the mods.

I'll tell you this: I CAN back up what I say, unlike some here. Not pointing any fingers, so don't duck just yet.

By the way, this post goes to nenothtu who backs the actions of sociopathic cowards.

We sort of gathered that. I fully expect another display of your emotional ranting, and I see you won't disappoint. You've already started, with emotive catchphrases like "sociopathic cowards". I guess you'll tell us next all about your psych degree that qualifies you to make that statement?

Don't bother replying if all you want is a pissing contest. I'd rather talk to the big kids.

reply to post by largo


Do you even know what a fascist is? If I were a fascist I would object to you even having an opinion. A fascist is a corporatist, I am not even close. I am a conservative.
I could care less what your daughter-in-law is. I'm sure you are proud of her but it has little to do with my opinion.
I serve the USA, or at least what is left of it and yes I have served in the US military for 10 years, 8 years Air Force, 2 years Army. I now serve as a police officer. I tell you this as a courtesy because I do not owe you an explanation for my opinion.
So as you can see, I've given up a lot for this "firm" stance. If given the chance I would fight for Israel and would not turn my back on her as the US apparently has. Heck, I would even fight for the likes of you and your freedom to give your opinion.
There's my credential....care to share yours...or are you the poser?
Seeashrink

Just a news flash for folks. If you try running an "Lawful Blockade" of port expect to get your butt kicked.

The "blockade" meets recognized international standards and practices, so take your lumps if you try breaking it.

This guy is a patsy and he's comprimised. He's not a reliable source, regardless of his Marine background. I'd like to see his service record and find out what his Psyche evals look like.

The whole, "My Brothers" stuff is kind of creepy. He's batting for the wrong team and I wouldn't trust him in the dark with my back.

Nuf said!

Just a news flash for folks. If you try running an "Lawful Blockade" of a port expect to get your butt kicked.

The "blockade" meets recognized international standards and practices, so take your lumps if you try breaking it.

This guy is a patsy and he's comprimised. He's not a reliable source, regardless of his Marine background. I'd like to see his service record and find out what his Psyche evals look like.

The whole, "My Brothers" stuff is kind of creepy. He's batting for the wrong team and I wouldn't trust him in the dark with my back.

Nuf said!

[edit on 9-6-2010 by sharkman]