Originally posted by Seekerof
"The Protocols Of Zion - A Literary Forgery"
www.rense.com...
www.h-net.org...

Seems Freemasonry, in general, thinks its a forgery also:
"History of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion"
freemasonry.bcy.ca...

"Forgeries"
www.sniggle.net...

"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion"
en.wikipedia.org...

"Forgery, Fraud & Forensics Profile"
www.caslon.com.au...

Exceprt:
"Forged scriptures or religious documentation appears to be less common.

A salient example is the antisemitic Protocols of the Elders of Zion, manufactured by the Tsarist secret police but lovingly propagated by Henry Ford and the Nazi Party among others. The Protocols are discussed in Norman Cohn's Warrant for Genocide: The Myth of the Jewish World Conspiracy & the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (London: Paladin 1976) and A Lie & A Libel: The History of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (Lincoln: Uni of Nebraska Press 1997) by Binjamin Segel.

Regrettably they're still being peddled by neo-Nazi groups and appearing in major newspapers in Saudi Arabia, Egypt and other nations."

"Protocols of the Elders of Zion"
www.epwijnants-lectures.com...

Excerpt:
"The Protocols were first proven to be a forgery in 1921 and are now almost universally recognized as such. Yet their dubious authenticity has never substantially reduced their effectiveness as antisemitic propaganda, and they have been used to support anti-Jewish conspiracy theories from their first appearance around 1900 right up until the present day, perhaps most famously and most tragically in Nazi Germany."

"The Left Flank of the Protocols"
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Exceprt:
"Cohn's greatest failing is that he does not ask the question, "Is there any independent evidence that there is a one-world conspiracy; and if so, how might the Protocols be related to it?"

"FORGERY OR GENUINE DOCUMENT?(new authentication methods)"
www.findarticles.com...

Excerpt:
"In 1993 a Russian court finally ruled that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion were forged by Tsar Nicholas II's secret police, the Okhrana. The decision was made by a three-member panel of academic `wise-men'. After extensive inquiries, they concluded that the book, which suggested a worldwide Jewish conspiracy to overthrow Christian civilisation, was a reworking of an original text containing no such claims."

"The Elders of Zion and the Masters of Discourse I"
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk...

"Warrant for Genocide"
www.interlinkbooks.com...


In such, I guess it boils down to "belief", as with anything else, right Ashlar and NEO? NEO mentions:
"What matters is outcomes, PERIOD!"
I beg to differ and provide this as example:

"To the extent that the Protocols seem to have correctly predicted the trend of events, this implies some constancy of intent. Even if so, things have not always gone to plan; there are other forces at play. History books may be 99% accurate, but the 1% they omit makes all the difference. When "writing in" that 1%, one might give the impression that the other 99% does not count; but, of course, one is merely correcting what has been omitted or distorted."

In such and in all fairness, I'll provide this for those who agree with the Protocols not being forgeries:
"Evaluating the arguments that the Protocols of Zion..."
users.cyberone.com.au...




regards
seekerof

[Edited on 9-2-2004 by Seekerof]

Originally posted by sunode
Haven't seen the movie, but I know one thing: the book appears to be authentic.

After reading through the book, it should be obvious that it is not plagiarism from books like Maurice Joly's Dialogue in Hell.

A loan is an issue of Government paper which entails an obligation to pay interest amounting to a percentage of the total sum of the borrowed money. If a loan is at 5 per cent., then in 20 years the Government will have unnecessarily paid out a sum equal to that of the loan in order to cover the percentage. In 40 years it will have paid twice, and in 60 thrice that amount, but the loan will still remain an unpaid debt. – "Protocols," p. 77. MONTESQUIEU,-- "How are loans made? By the issue of bonds entailing on the Government the obligation to pay interest proportionate to the capital it has been paid. Thus, if a loan is at 5 per cent., the State, after 20 years, has paid out a sum equal to the borrowed capital. When 40 years have expired it has paid double, after 60 years triple: yet ir remains debtor for the entire capital sum." – "Geneva Dialogues," p. 256.

Originally posted by sunode
The stance is that the Protocols are plagiarism from 'Dialogues in Hell' by M. Joly.

Investigate for yourself between the two books:

Dialogues in Hell
Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion

It's quite fascinating: there is no proof of exact word-for-word copying between the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion and Dialogues in Hell, except in one passage:

A loan is an issue of Government paper which entails an obligation to pay interest amounting to a percentage of the total sum of the borrowed money. If a loan is at 5 per cent., then in 20 years the Government will have unnecessarily paid out a sum equal to that of the loan in order to cover the percentage. In 40 years it will have paid twice, and in 60 thrice that amount, but the loan will still remain an unpaid debt. – "Protocols," p. 77. MONTESQUIEU,-- "How are loans made? By the issue of bonds entailing on the Government the obligation to pay interest proportionate to the capital it has been paid. Thus, if a loan is at 5 per cent., the State, after 20 years, has paid out a sum equal to the borrowed capital. When 40 years have expired it has paid double, after 60 years triple: yet ir remains debtor for the entire capital sum." – "Geneva Dialogues," p. 256.

That's insufficient to talk of plagiarism.

[edit on 25-5-2009 by sunode]