Yes thats a powerful verse I suppose. I'll give it another read maybe I'm missing something.

[Edited on 8-2-2004 by TgSoe]

Originally posted by Ashlar
people need to acknowledge the difference between
being an "anti-semite" and being "anti-zionist"

Zionism was a political movement with its roots in the late 19th century that sought the creation of a national homeland in the Holy Land for the Jewish people as a solution to the problem of world-wide anti-Semitism.

Since the goal of Zionism was realized with the creation of Israel in 1948, that definition no longer applies. A modern definition would be the desire to see the continued existence (and presumed well-being) of Israel.

To extrapolate anti-Zionist from that would mean that anti-Zionism is the desire for the dissolution of Israel.

So clearly there is a distinction between being anti-Jew and being anti-Zionist. I wouldn’t say that the desire to see the dissolution of Israel was anti-Jew any more that I would say that the desire to see the dissolution of Mexico was anti-Mexican or the desire the dissolution of France was anti-French.

I noticed several references to the protocols being carried out via masons. Does that mean that only Masons will have priviledges in the New World Order?

Guys, the protocols are one of the oldest literary hoaxes of the 20th century. They're not real.

The Russian police made them up (yes, really) so that they could start a pogrom against the Jews.

That explanation does not account for the fact that they accurately predicted the whole century

Originally posted by Byrd
Guys, the protocols are one of the oldest literary hoaxes of the 20th century. They're not real.

The Russian police made them up (yes, really) so that they could start a pogrom against the Jews.

I for one don't agree with you.

Maybe the Russians did make it up but every time I see a big track of land inherited here in Ga. it gets a for sale sign on it quick because the people can't afford to pay the inheritance tax or the land tax.

TgSoe,

you have a good point. I am trained in Business Sciences and we are taught to focus on OUTCOMES. In other words, theory, talk, BS, ideas, dogma, explanations, excuses, arguments, fingerpointing and on and on mean SQUAT!

What matters is outcomes, PERIOD!

Everywhere I look I see two things:

1. The PROTOCOLS being carried out to the letter.
2. The increasing power of Jews in this world.

Damn, Seekerof! How do you keep all this information organized? Everytime I see you post something you got a dozen or more links and references to back you up!

I feel envy.

Various "folders" (instead of separate, individual links) in my Favorites. I have about 10 of them on various topics of interest(s).
Nothing elaborate of fancy....just Time in gathering and placing is all.
I will contend that though the Protocols have been universally proclaimed and deemed forgeries, they will maintain a bone of contention and believability with some.


regards
seekerof

[Edited on 9-2-2004 by Seekerof]

Seekerof.

no offense but you posted this:

"To the extent that the Protocols seem to have correctly predicted the trend of events, this implies some constancy of intent. Even if so, things have not always gone to plan; there are other forces at play. History books may be 99% accurate, but the 1% they omit makes all the difference. When "writing in" that 1%, one might give the impression that the other 99% does not count; but, of course, one is merely correcting what has been omitted or distorted."


that doesn't make a convincing case for the absolute debunking of the protocols.

Uhh, NEO....no offence taken. You have just as much right to express as any of us.
I used that section of "text" to counter your and others belief that since the Protocols have been "absolutely fulfilled to the tee", that they are real and not forgeries. Nothing is absolute. The quoted "texts" was example of that.

The other stuff I posted pretty much 99% shows that the Protocols are indeed forgeries, but there remains that 1% chance that they are not.



regards
seekerof

seekerof

how often can you find a history book; written in advance; that is 99% accurate

Originally posted by Seekerof
Uhh, NEO....no offence taken. You have just as much right to express as any of us.
I used that section of "text" to counter your and others belief that since the Protocols have been "absolutely fulfilled to the tee", that they are real and not forgeries. Nothing is absolute. The quoted "texts" was example of that.

The other stuff I posted pretty much 99% shows that the Protocols are indeed forgeries, but there remains that 1% chance that they are not.



regards
seekerof

Seeker,

you consider yourself an academic do you not? If I told you that I was 99% certain that something was true would you not consider it fact?

Originally posted by Ashlar
seekerof

how often can you find a history book; written in advance; that is 99% accurate

Have you even read a history book or two on Zionism first off Ashlar?


regards
seekerof

Originally posted by THENEO

Originally posted by Seekerof
Uhh, NEO....no offence taken. You have just as much right to express as any of us.
I used that section of "text" to counter your and others belief that since the Protocols have been "absolutely fulfilled to the tee", that they are real and not forgeries. Nothing is absolute. The quoted "texts" was example of that.

The other stuff I posted pretty much 99% shows that the Protocols are indeed forgeries, but there remains that 1% chance that they are not.



regards
seekerof

Seeker,

you consider yourself an academic do you not? If I told you that I was 99% certain that something was true would you not consider it fact?

NEO, that would depend on if I had comparative material to back it unquestionably. Can this document, and those "other" documentations you feel back it and support it, prove beyond a "shadow of a doubt" that the Jews/Zionism are indeed taking over, or indeed plotting to rule the world? Can you provide empirical, unquestionable proofs or documented evidences to assure that your, and others, mode of thinking and belief on this IS even 90-100% correct, as according to this document: Protocols? If not, question answered.

BTW, academic? Nah, I'm just a humble student and civil servant who is just a "seekerof" comparative knowledge.....just as you are and most others.


regards
seekerof

[Edited on 10-2-2004 by Seekerof]

BTW; Seekerof, Mycroft,

have either of you read the protocols?

just read the TALMUD, an official jewish doctrine...Just don't let a jewish person find out, because they can silence you, for it says so in the Talmud that the goyim are not humans and as such can be lied to or left to die.