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Australian Spiral event : Preliminary analysis

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posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 01:37 PM
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I could not create my own post since I don't really post here, I mainly read other people's posts. I just wanted to report an unidentified flying spiral object that I saw Friday evening at around 10:30 to 10:45 CST in Jefferson City, Mo. I don't know if this in anyway relates to the australian spiral, but found it very interesting that this was a large topic and it seemed more than coincidental at least the spiral part of it.
I let my dog out on our deck and had a strong feeling that I should go outside and enjoy the summer evening. As soon as I stepped outside I looked up over head and saw a cyclindrical shaped object floating over head with a spiral light coming from the object. I'm not really good at judging distances but if I were to extend my arm out it appeared to be the size of a small grapefruit or large orange. The object itself seemed shaded out and I could not determine a color but the spiral shape was flashing like a strobe light. The color of the spiral light reminded me of a florescent bulb with a bluish undertone. The object flew in a straight line heading north. I was able to view it for maybe 10 to 15 seconds before I lost sight of it over a tree line. I did not hear any noise.

I've been trying to find more information on other spiral types of ufos to see if it was similar to my experience. I also was looking for other possible explanations and it is such an odd event. I've always wanted to see a ufo but thought i'd see something like a flying saucer. I'm interested in hearing any thoughts. Thanks so much!




posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 02:06 PM
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Great work and thanks for sharing it



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 02:17 PM
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i'm glad the link i posted confirmed your theory. Thanks very much for your work on this.

I'm guessing we're going to see more of these spirals very soon. Is there a schedule for future rocket launches? maybe we can predict where they might be seen next? Is the flight info made public beforehand?

I've been reading a lot over the past 6 months into all sorts of conspiracy theory, to break things into really simplistic theoretical terms, this is what i've put together so far:

The human race was created by ET visitors, who wanted a drone force to mine minerals/gold/whatever from the earth. These people were myans. They possessed great knowledge of the earth cycles/planets etc as their creators were still here at the time.

The Egyptians also had alien involvement, possibly with cross breeding. Possibly using alien built/assisted pyramids to extract something from the earth/cosmos.

Throughout time from that point, their stories were "lost" as society evolved, driven by greed therefore the real purpose was removed from our sight and we were fed a more controlled version of events, to dumb us down.

The greedy humans (NWO/Illuminate) now rule society as a whole in the west, the drone population follows blindly and doesnt really care as long as there's beer in the fridge and the football is on the tv.

According to the Myans, something magical(disastrous) will happen in 2012. There is the possibility that this may be human enlightenment of some sort, involving teleportation/telepathy. The NWO know this is a game changer, meaning their empire will collapse in an instant so have decided to "fool" us (the population) by using the ionosphere as a 3d projector screen, where they will project visions, linking them to the gift we received naturally. We'll all believe this, think they're ace and carry on.

Throughout time, people have drawn spirals because they appeared in the sky. Whatever these spirals were/are is a mystery, but the NWO are now able to induce/mimic them and are currently testing them and will showcase it all at the 2012 olympics (zion) LOL

this is where i'm at.
I expect 99.999% of it to be utter garbage. But in it's component parts each element of the theory has a lot of followers/potential evidence to back it up. Aside from actually waiting for 2013, the spiral is the only thing that appears to have any real substance; it's something we've never seen before and can be attached to historic documentation which appears to credit it with some importance..... I think whatever is going on here, it's most likely not going to be good for us as a population/race as it seems it can be invoked now under the control of humans, but to what ends and by what means....


[edit on 7-6-2010 by ceetee]

[edit on 7-6-2010 by ceetee]



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by gambon
THe space x website , and press release state a 28.5 degree launch as per normal for a launch at its florida launch site , funnily enough 34.5 matches EXACTLY the launch angle for its other launch site..... kwajalein..strange discrepancy/ coincidence thats all....

www.spacex.com...

www.spacex.com...


I don't see it, gambon. The first link is an old page that describes the launch SITE for the Falcon-9 heavy, which is Cape Canaveral, which indeed has a minimum inclination of 28.? degrees. But I see no reference to the achieved orbit of the first test launch.

I suggest you're reading too much into some ambiguous data pages. When the tracking data comes back -- and when amateur observers around the world use that data to predict actual sightings that they then make with their own eyes, I give that data (including the ~34 deg orbital inclination) max credence.

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Also, observers at Cape Canaveral noticed a distinctly north of due east ascent azimuth -- not the directly due east azimuth required for a 28 deg insertion. And also the PAO commentary referred several times to acquisition of signal from the New Hampshire radio site, which would never have been in line-of-sight from a due east launch.

If you go to
www.orbiterwiki.org...
you see the standard equation for launch azimuth as a function of target inclination and launch site latitude. It is:

azimuth = arcsin ( cos(inc)/cos(lat) )

Using inc of 34.5 and lat of 28.5, the launch azimuth is 70 degrees --
considerably to the left (north) of a due east launch, exactly as observers reported. You can verify this at home.

I'm sorry but you have clearly misunderstood the numbers you read at the SpaceX website.



where i is the desired orbit inclination, φ is the launch site latitude, and β is the launch azimuth. Solving for azimuth:

Cos(34.5º) = 0.82413

Cos(28.5º) = 0.87882

.93777

Asin = 69.68 Degrees




[edit on 7-6-2010 by JimOberg]



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 02:51 PM
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While the OP made an amazing case and analogy...i do not see any resemblance to the Norwegian spiral...these are weak anomalies in the sky, with non whatsoever a comparison to the perfectly formed spiral in Norway...sorry, doesn't do it for me....but good work trying to get to the bottom of it



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by sylph16
While the OP made an amazing case and analogy...i do not see any resemblance to the Norwegian spiral...these are weak anomalies in the sky, with non whatsoever a comparison to the perfectly formed spiral in Norway...sorry, doesn't do it for me....but good work trying to get to the bottom of it


I too am quite disappointed with the appearance of other spirals, but maybe one (of the "players") was more successful than the other in achieving whatever this thing is? The fact that there are rockets AND spirals involved in both cases can't really be ignored IMO.



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posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 03:54 PM
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What's up Tauristercus???

Well, it seems that you're at it again. You are quite thorough with your work, so, this isn't an attempt to debunk you or anything of the sort.

I will say this though. As far as the Norwegian spiral went, we still have no evidence of a missile. Out of all the missile launches in the world (and there have been many), usually there is evidence where people witness the missile actually going into the sky, or someone, be it civilian or military films the event. We have no such evidence. No one reported it, no one saw it, and the only physical trace would have been the blue plume which could have just as easily been caused by electromagnetic radiation.

Secondly, the Russians initially denied any involvement whatsoever. So, that's a red flag in of itself.

As far as the Australian spiral goes...I have absolutely no clue, and since it was very lackluster in appearance next to the Norwegian Spiral, it doesn't garner the response of the first.

With that being said, I have full respect for your work and your effort. The world needs more investigative people like yourself. Its a shame that more people don't think as critically as you do.

Much respect from me Tauristercus!!!



And, much love to all...



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by Phage
The test was not "perfect". The goal was to reach orbit. That was done. However there was that pesky roll problem that set the second stage spinning.

The second stage began an initially slow roll midway through the burn that became more and more pronounced as the rocket climbed.


Musk said the second stage rolled more than expected and that engineers would look into the issue to make sure it was not an indicator of a more serious problem. But he said the roll did not affect the rocket's overall performance.

news.cnet.com...

The spiral is consistent with effluent being expelled by a spinning vehicle. This was the first orbital test of a new rocket, not the time to be trying out new military hardware.

Spinning rockets produce spirals. They have for a long time.

1986:

Descriptions of the object and its motion varied, but a general picture soon emerged. It was called, in turn, a pinpoint, a moving spiral, a glowing cloud, and a big ball of fire. In Houston, Don Stockbauer described an orangish nebulosity surrounded by an irregularly shaped white cloud elongated vertically, with a dim starlike nucleus. Brenda Newton of Rochester, New York, recalled: “It started to get bigger and it had a tail. By the time we got out of the truck, it had begun to spiral. It lasted for a few minutes, then became like a dim star and floated toward the west.”

www.csicop.org...

1988:


2006:



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Phage. I have to interject here. We only have 3-4 spirals on record in the history of mankind. Therefore, your statement about missiles producing spirals and it occurring for "a long time" is a dubious statement at best. You already know that though. Some of us grew up with Engineers as Fathers, brothers, cousins etc. Some of us have actually gone to see missile tests on a semi-regular basis, and this "spiral Phenomenon" is extremely rare, otherwise we would have a ton of them on record.

3-4 spirals out of millions of tested missiles does not prove your point about missiles consistently making spirals. Absolutely Incorrect.

However, I have to give respect where it might be due. Tauristercus is a hard-working individual, as are you, therefore I have nothing negative to say about either of you. Just remember this. Nothing is definitive until there is absolute PROOF. And so far, none of us have the absolute proof to definitively say anything.

Over and out.

Much love to all...



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 04:07 PM
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Good Job Taur !


like always you put lots of effort in an lots of time in your research

especially the calculations

Spiral Spiral

but still with Norway Spiral im still amazed with a near perfect Circle Spiral Spread! it did even tho we are still in debate in how it stayed spinning for that long ! like a gyro balanced effect

could it be what happened from the Norway Spiral ? from this video

yes Russian test launched a ICBM! ? but could this have happened ?
was it also a Test for this weapon sort a Tesla Shield ?

Top Secret Plasma Weapon ( Language in Russian )
Please go to the 1.05 min Mark ! then you will see what could of happened
at the time of the Norway spiral event and perhaps the 1988 china spiral




still it makes me wonder
instead of a plane maybe a Rocket ? is it Possible ? for this to happen




I know im grabbing at straws just figuring out long duration of the Norway spiral!

a big Clap for the SpaceX Team ! with the Falcon 9


NASA (GovT ) will not be the only Americans in space

and the Bigelow Aerospace team is right beside the SpaceX team!

Another American Space Race! ? Civil Space Race!

Hopeful the will let us know what is really out there ! and land on the Moon
their plans are in the Works ! to have a Moon Base !

!



Bigelow Site!
www.bigelowaerospace.com...

Spacex Site
www.spacex.com...

SPACEX ACHIEVES ORBITAL BULLSEYE WITH INAUGURAL FLIGHT OF FALCON 9 ROCKET
www.spacex.com...



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posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 04:21 PM
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This is something seldom seen these days..."A man with a brain and the know how to use it." Great post my friend.......



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 04:21 PM
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"In the Falcon launch video we can see its spinning in an clockwise direction looking down or west. The videos from Australia also show a clockwise spin, so if this is the Falcon they must have been shot to the west?
If you saw it from behind and heading east the videos would have shown a counterclockwise spiral."

We know for a fact that this was sighted to the east of the coast, so save some miraculous reversal of spin it could not have been the falcon 9 rocket.


1. The biggest, and most striking incongruence with the rocket story is the simple fact that the falcon 9 was unpowered as it flew over Australia.

2. The alleged missile over Norway was in a powered stage. How is it possible that two nearly identical phenomenon could be blamed on completely different missiles, in completely different stages of flight?

3. I think the official story on the falcon 9 missile is that a correction burn to stop the spin turned it in the opposite direction and was seen for hundreds of miles away. How could small correction thrusters create such a massive light in the sky? They must use these thrusters on a regular basis, and this type of event is very rare.

4. what is the point of venting extra fuel? it seems in the touchy arena of space flight exerting any uncontrolled thrust would be avoided.

5. why hasn't SpaceX, or NASA taken official responsibility tor this event?

6. There was a camera on the falcon 9 missile body so it makes sense that they would record any fuel dump, or spin correction (both of which are pure speculation at this point)

Give me a break people, my gut tells me this was a carefully planed event perpetrated by humans in compartmentalized programs that are fed up with the business as usual.



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by KittyKat666
Why, is everyone so willing to swallow this Idea of a rocket launch, when it is in my view undoubtedly something quite different. I agree it maybe, either a, government black project like Harrp, or say an attempt at BlackHole generation, Whatever is being seen in the sky's over multiple countries, is so secret or dangerous, governments, will go to great length in their attempts to debunk any sightings, as a simple missile launch or natural occurring phenomenon.

If anyone has cared to notice, these events resemble, hundreds of spiral pictographs carved, and or painted on stone monuments, as well as cliff wall paintings from all ages. Including some of our own Native American pictographs, painted on the sides of sandstone cliffs, that I have seen with my own eyes.

They also hold a strong resemblance to many of the crop circles, we see in many parts of the earth, with more appearing each year. That I believe is a form of Mathematical communication.

So before we right all this off as some missile launch, and I agree that with such fine research by some researchers in this thread, a case can be made for this idea.

Lets use our conspiratorial minds, and look a little deeper. I for one think something this momentous needs some hard thinking, outside the rational box.

I wish you well

RR


I can answer that. Its because it makes them uncomfortable to feel that there may be an answer outside of their conventional beliefs of reality.

hypothetical scenario: Lets say that aliens landed in open view for the entire public to see, and effectively caused a spiral when they entered the atmosphere.

There are many people who could not accept the possibility or reality that an alien or aliens landed in open view of the entire general public because of the way they have been conditioned. They would scream hologram, CGI (even though it happened right in front of them), or swamp gas simply because the reality would be too much for their psyche to handle. There would be people who would still try to rationalize the experience with every known explanation except for what is staring them directly in the face. That is the reason why people GRIP helplessly to conventional explanations such as missiles or other known items to so that it fits in with their preconceptions of reality. That is the reason why they choose not to entertain other ideas that may well be the actual explanation.

Now, I'm not saying that any of these spirals were caused by aliens. More than likely it was something that humans actually manipulated, however, I proposed this hypothetical example to illustrate my point.



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 04:57 PM
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It's how the U.S. spreads chemtrails to the whole world. Just kidding.
But seriously, great detective work on this case! Definately did some research that shouldnt go unnoticed(especially for the double headed street lamps, that is supreme right there.)
Im from Melbourne Aus but was adopted when i was lil. Now i live in the U.S

Hope it stays unharmed as I plan to return someday
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posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 05:17 PM
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While the OP made an amazing case and analogy...i do not see any resemblance to the Norwegian spiral...these are weak anomalies in the sky, with non whatsoever a comparison to the perfectly formed spiral in Norway...sorry, doesn't do it for me....but good work trying to get to the bottom of it


Thats exactly how I view it myself. The Australien spiral is not even close to what the world witnessed in Norway. As I also credited the OP for the detailed work.. I still find it hard to believe. We'll see if more happens in the near future.. especially if one happens with the same significance as the Norway spiral.



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
I can answer that. Its because it makes them uncomfortable to feel that there may be an answer outside of their conventional beliefs of reality.


Your telepathic abilities leave me speechless. Naturally, I can't disprove your assertion because any contrary evidence would be explained, in your view, by witnesses lying. What a perfectly-closed and non-debunkable logical construct -- what we in Texas would call a "self-eating watermelon".



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 06:02 PM
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i bet it had to do with the recent sun event



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 06:21 PM
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Kudos, kudos, and more kudos.
i pride myself in being a great researcher but this is just amazing work.
S&F!

So mystery solved?



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 06:24 PM
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What I want to know is - what are they popping in and out of these worm holes?

Stocking up supplies for those with enough wealth to survive what they know is coming?

Yes - spirals (wormholes)

Who is accessing them and why? It is not something coming in - but something going "out"



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 06:40 PM
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Only problem is that the norwegian spiral wasnt any russian rocket. Wich has been proven aswell. So please dont mix up an previous missinformation with this insident.



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by tauristercus
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The spiral is consistent with effluent being expelled by a spinning vehicle. This was the first orbital test of a new rocket, not the time to be trying out new military hardware.


The nominal burn time for the Falcon 9:
1st stage = 170 secs = 2 mins 50 secs
2nd stage = 345 secs = 5 mins 45 secs

Total burn: 8 mins 35 secs


Now, the east coast of Australia was crossed by the Falcon 9 approximately 65 mins after launch. This therefore begs the following 2 questions:

Why would mission control wait almost another hour
(65mins - 8mins 35 secs = 56 mins 25 secs)
before deciding to release what you label as 'effluent' (unspent fuel) ?

Why would mission control release this unspent fuel DIRECTLY OVER Coolangatta, which is a major Australian city in Queensland ... rather than wait a few more mins until the Falcon 9 was well and truly over the Pacific ocean ? Hmmm ... quite a blatant disregard for the population directly under the released 'effluent', wouldn't you say, Phage ?

I'll tell you what ... this 'effluent' release explanation for both the Norway and now the Australian spiral event is starting to wear thin





Great thread S&F

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