Iran's navy offers to escort Gaza ships

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Originally posted by FIFIGI
Yeaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh

Someone in the world is standing up against israel tyranny.

I hope war does not break out, because of people starving in Palestine. All they want is to survive.

And to destroy Israel, not just the government but the people. They are not going to stop if "real peace" between the governing parties is made.

But as what other people might say, Israel wants the same thing so it doesn't even matter.

Originally posted by Gliese581
90 US hydrogen bombs stationed in Turkey
+
250 Soviet Ukrainian warheads transferred to Iran (100 kt each, don't know if thermonuclear)

if that is not enough, consider the "Anglo-saxon mission" projectcamelot.org... that the great powers will allow a limited exchange of nuclear strikes, before...their satanic plans fully develop. Perhaps never. But the start is clear. Israel has its own 400 warheads with thermonuclear among them. To be realistic, they are too dangerous to be left in Israel in any WW3 scenario. The best Israel could do, is to denuclearize itself as soon as possible and enter the system of international treaties, to be protected by them. Or no one will protect it this time.

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Kiloton anything indicates a nuclear yield... especially 100 kiloton

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that's what I'm afraid of... the reprecussions of one skirmish and as I said earlier... the domino effect.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
The blockade is to stop Iran from delivering missiles to Hamas. The stated goal of Hamas is the elimination of Israel. Not peace. Not a two State solution. The complete and utter destruction of Israel. Israel either defends itself or ceases to exist.

Any ship escorted by Iran will be filled with weapons. If they did this and they won't, it would indeed be the end of Israel, Iran or both. Honestly though, it would be the end of Iran. At some point reality has to enter the subject.

The saddest part of Iran becoming a pile of rubble, is the Iranian People. Lets hope they succeed in taking down their own government before it destroys them in its quest to destroy Israel. There simply will be no winners.

One thing I see lacking in these discussions in general is alternatives. If Israel ends the blockade, how do they stop the missile shipments to Hamas. You can't ignore an enemy who's sole goal is your complete removal from the planet earth. Or do people mean they also want all the Jews killed? People can't have it both ways. Many here seem to pretend they can, but they can't.

If a person sides with Hamas and Iran, they clearly want Israel to be destroyed along with all of its citizens. There is no third side here. It scares me how many are in lockstep with Israels destruction, but pretend they are not. This is getting eerily close to things that led up to the atrocities of WW2.

As long as Hamas is in charge of Gaza, Hamas will be personally responsible for the suffering of the Palestinians. To pretend otherwise is a lie and there sure are a lot of phony lying pricks around the world these days.

I'll never understand this rampant anti-Semitic mindset spreading across the world. The goose-stepping will resume any moment now.

Iran won't escort any ships however. This is just more fuel for the fire from the people who taught us that earthquakes are caused by promiscuous women. Of course that does explain Southern California.

Amazing post.
Well said indeed.

And to the person who sarcastically remarked "Hamas is resposible for Israel;s blockade and acts against Palestinians"........Uhhh yea...HELLO? of course they are. Is it not Hamas and Hezbolla that launch attacks on Isreali citizens while hiding behind Palestinian innocents which then in turn cause Israel to counter strike on the area the original attack was launched from?

I don't blame Israel at all. It sucks citizens are getting killed, but those citizens are allowing themselves and their children to be used as human meat shields, and are therefore directly supporting those terrorists. If I were in Israel's shoes, I'd have to make the same calls. What are their choices? Just sit back and allow their citizens to be killed by random rockets and mortars? Would you? And what would you do........allow these terrorist continued supplies, which then leads to more of your own dead citizens and to you having to kill more of their citizens who allow themselves to be human meat shields......or do you simply put up a blockade to ensure the terrorists aren't being supplied and inspect humanitarian aid? The choices are clear. Israel is making the right choices.

Originally posted by thoughtsfull

I doubt Egypt will allow Iranian vessels through the Canal.. so that leaves the long way round, it also puts Turkey in a bind... as if they do not offer a serious alternative now, perhaps the Iranian offer could be accepted. either way, things are stacking up...

I thought all ships had the right of passage through the canal?

Under international treaty, it may be used "in time of war as in time of peace, by every vessel of commerce or of war, without distinction of flag."[7]

If Israel wanted to block of the Suez, then they'd have to take it physically as Egypt has no power to shut off traffic to anyone.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
The blockade is to stop Iran from delivering missiles to Hamas. The stated goal of Hamas is the elimination of Israel. Not peace. Not a two State solution. The complete and utter destruction of Israel. Israel either defends itself or ceases to exist.

Any ship escorted by Iran will be filled with weapons. If they did this and they won't, it would indeed be the end of Israel, Iran or both. Honestly though, it would be the end of Iran.......................

Honestly (as you put it) Iserail has few freinds from the general population and tons in goverment because they pay nice bribes to keep it that way and they can do this because they control the worlds banking system.

Iserail does not want peace because it's doing fine just as it is by taking more and more land and do remember they were given stolen land in the first place in 1948 and it was not so long ago that the IDF was considered a terrorist organisation.

America needs to take the nukes off them because any attack by iserail will be seen for what it is and thats an attack by the USA which leaves the worlds population on the edge and none of this is fooling the muslim, the Russians or China and infact it is not even fooling traditional freinds as can be seen in the mass protests across europe.

Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by ACTS 2:38

May the Lord Jesus bless every one in Israel with perfect aim.

Thanks for the LOL of the day.....I will never get why Christians back Israel.

You realize the Jews dont believe Jesus was the Messiah right? Jews believe Jesus was a false prophet. Why would Jesus bless the aim of the Israelis?

Would would Jesus be helping someone to be a bettter killer, ever, no matter who they were, in the first place??

Sorry man, you sound like a full blown lunatic.

Timing is everything...

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; A time to kill , and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace Eccl 3:1-8 KJV

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sorry...can't u2u you back yet. (mods please dont tell me off i just dont want to be rude)

Originally posted by illusive man
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me personaly, i think war starting is great hopefully it will spil over in each direction, i say go the full way and nuke the planet, we as humans are nothing but a cancer on this planet.

we kill each other, we percicute each other, we destroy the bloody enviroment,
maybe after we are all dead and the cancer from this planet has been sterolized,

evolution will return again in few thousend years and hopefully wont breed species like us.

Yep, just say screw it.... geez


You never know with another 1000 years for us maybe we will move beyond all this, but I guess you are a good example we are not close as of yet.

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"thats not really nessesary..."

I ment that as a huge compliment to the kind of bravery that just might save some children ,and get their crayons and some how to read books through the blockade



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it will be exciting watching mother isreal wipe that terrorist regime off the map.
all the people on this board who think isreal is some weak state are in for a rude awakening. they have the best trained soldiers and teh most advanced weaponry known to man. iran would be smart to stay out of thier way.

I think us as a species are completely immature. We are children still and we are ruled by the few and attack anything that we do not understand or that we are envious of. We need to learn a real lesson...

We are ruled by greed and the few who want change are shouted down and their views shielded by celebrities and how life could be if you were extremely talented or lucky or good looking or rich or already famous.

Maybe... and I'm not being funny here but maybe a devastating war might be our only hope because either way were losing the peace and things have got to change. A war might make us change for the better. Yes, millions dead, a planet that is polluted but maybe... we may just change and learn that real lesson.

But I'd rather live in hope that we change without the need for a war... somehow i dont think that is possible...

Originally posted by paraphi
Of one thing you can be sure of is that Iran is miffed that Turkey has decided to start to assert itself as a regional power. A resurgent Turkey will supplant Iran and may well introduce moderation and order into the crappy politics which sits on their doorstep. After all, for the last few decades Iran has been one of the proverbial “spanners in the work” through their support and funding of anti-Israeli groups and their refusal (like other predominately Muslim nations) not to recognise Israel. At least Turkey recognises Israel!

I suspect Turkey would not want Iran farting about in their back yard. This is a situation moulded by Turkey and is of their design and making. It is Turkey who has a vested interest in an outcome which yields a dividend which at least raises their reputation and interests and any hint of Iran trying to exploit the situation (or mess it up) would be unwelcome indeed. At least Israel can deal with Turkey and that is probably what will happen – an Israeli / Turkish accord. Watch this space.

Can you imagine if the Palestinian’s started to turn towards Turkey as their benefactor rather than their traditional supporters in Syria and Iran. We may get peace!!!

Regards

This is an interesting theory.Indeed, Turkey would not want Iran farting
on their backyard.
But how about this :
Iran offers to militarily escort ships to Gaza NOT because they want to
undermine Turkey (who also offered to escort ships to Gaza), but because
they want Turkey to do it.Turkey have a real navy, they are closer to
Israel and Gaza, and Turkey also can project military power in region.
(Iran is preety far away from this).

Iran always uses proxies for their goals, and by this offer they will simply
force Turkey to do it...or Iran will and Turkey will look weak.

Its a damn good game played by Iran

Anyway, Turkey or Iran escorting ships to Gaza (or a joint Turkey-Iran
escort) will lead to the same outcome : war with Israel.
There is no way Israel will accept lifting the blockade.

by the way already 2 cargo ships has been move to Gaza with military escort, any mistake it’ll create major conflict...

Originally posted by stumason

Originally posted by thoughtsfull

I doubt Egypt will allow Iranian vessels through the Canal.. so that leaves the long way round, it also puts Turkey in a bind... as if they do not offer a serious alternative now, perhaps the Iranian offer could be accepted. either way, things are stacking up...

I thought all ships had the right of passage through the canal?

Under international treaty, it may be used "in time of war as in time of peace, by every vessel of commerce or of war, without distinction of flag."[7]

If Israel wanted to block of the Suez, then they'd have to take it physically as Egypt has no power to shut off traffic to anyone.

Thanks for correcting my error see learn something new every day...
Makes for an interesting position for Egypt to be in..

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Yep, just say screw it.... geez


You never know with another 1000 years for us maybe we will move beyond all this, but I guess you are a good example we are not close as of yet.

yeap i am , along with the idiots who support israel and its acts against Gaza
what i see is what i say, i wont mention the people, but there are many fine examples aside from my self who have shown what great species we are.

If Israeli troops try and board a flotilla protected by Iranian ships, or board the Iranian ships, there will likely be a war.

Of course, Iranian ships will only be able to protect these ships while in international waters. Once in Israeli waters, if Iranian ships enter their territory this would give Israelis the right to fire upon them under international law.

Originally posted by Prof. Twister
by the way already 2 cargo ships has been move to Gaza with military escort, any mistake it’ll create major conflict...

Are you talking about these ships?

IDF forces piloted the Rachel Corrie to the port of Ashdod early Saturday evening after boarding the ship earlier in the day.

None were harmed in the military operation as the international activists on the ship cooperated with the boarding party. The activists went as far as lowering a ladder to the soldiers patrol boat to allow them to board, army sources have revealed.

The boarding of the Rachel Corrie containing activists and aid for Gaza was described by Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu on Saturday as a quiet operation. Netanyahu was quick to distinguish between the boat of Irish and Malaysian activists and the Turkish-sponsored Mavi Marmara which was boarded May 31 in an incident that left nine dead and scores wounded.

"The different outcome we saw today underscores the difference between peace activists who we disagree with but respect their right to express their different opinion and flotilla participants [on the Mavi Marmara] who were violent extremist supporters of terrorists," said Netanyahu.

IDF navy forces boarded and took control of the MV Rachel Corrie Saturday afternoon. The troops did not meet any resistance from activists attempting to break the Gaza blockade, and the operation was completed without violent incidents.

The military said its forces boarded the 1,200-ton cargo ship from the sea, not helicopters. Army spokeswoman Lt. Col. Avital Leibovich said Saturday's takeover took only a few minutes and that the vessel was being taken to Ashdod port.

Prior to the takeover, three navy ships tailed the aid boat for several hours throughout the morning, a few dozen kilometers from the blockaded Strip. The army said it had contacted the boat four times and urged its passengers to divert to Ashdod, but the activists had repeatedly refused.

The IDF had said that it would have no choice but to board the ship if it did not agree to go to Ashdod.

Earlier reports had suggested that the Rachel Corrie had already been boarded in the early morning, but the army and the boat’s passenger’s later said this was not true.

The ship was trying to breach the three-year-old blockade to deliver a load of aid to the coastal territory.

"There were two warships in the back of them ... and a smaller boat was approaching," said activist Greta Berlin of the Free Gaza movement, which sent the ship. She was speaking from the movement's headquarters in Cyprus and was citing a passenger on board.

The military said it had made contact with the boat and notified it that it was approaching an area under blockade. The navy had told the Rachel Corrie that “The Israeli government supports delivery of humanitarian supplies to the civilian population in the Gaza Strip and invites you to enter the Ashdod port. Delivery of the supplies … will be done via the formal land crossings and under your observation."

Activists on board the Irish boat insisted they would not resist if Israeli soldiers tried to take over their vessel. They rejected Israeli and US appeals to bring the ship to Ashdod.

Foreign Ministry director Yossi Gal told reporters Israel has "no desire to board the ship. If the ship decides to sail to the port of Ashdod, then we will ensure its safe arrival and will not board it."

This latest attempt to breach the blockade differs significantly from the flotilla the army intercepted on Monday, killing eight Turks and an American after being set upon by a group of activists. Nearly 700 activists had joined that operation, most of them aboard the lead boat from Turkey that was the scene of the violence. That boat, the Mavi Marmara, was sponsored by an Islamic aid group from Turkey, the Foundation for Human Rights and Freedom and Humanitarian Relief. Israel outlawed the group, known by its Turkish acronym IHH, in 2008 because of alleged ties to Hamas. By contrast, the Rachel Corrie was carrying just 11 passengers, whose effort was mainly sponsored by the Free Gaza movement, a Cyprus-based group that has renounced violence.

I am glad no one was hurt and would suspect this is how it has occurred for the last three years.