Is the United States on the verge of civil war?

Well said Geeky Bubbe

There will be a Revolutionary War with many civil war similarities. In the beginning, I feel, that people will come together to fight for the cause of freedom, but will soon end up in despair. People will then begin to fight for individual survival amidst a growing gang presence divided by cultural and religious differences. (Remember "The Postman"). The Gulf Oil Spill is an alleged attack against the southern and eastern coasts. Our jobs will be replaced by government jobs. They have begun to attack us financially by sea. Our ports, fishing and tourism industry is dead. We were not attacked by ships by a deadly enemy. We were attacked by toxins that would insure a lasting, uninhabitable dead zone. I see this catastrophe as a catalyst for future opportunities to control other sections of the U.S. by our government. They know that the south will not go down without a fight. They chose the most obstinate, hard headed, and rebellious section of the U.S. to take control of first. People in Lousiana are already stocking up on food and making preparations for the worst. Hurricane season is approaching fast and everyone knows FEMA's reputation on that subject. It is not just the hurricane season we are preparing for. We are bracing ourselves for the perfect storm that is headed directly toward us. Oil spill, hurricanes, and the financial collapse will be a deadly combination.

reply to post by AndrewJay


I'm with ole punkin head below the OP....

Although I am not sure it is going to be a contained war...or civil war...
within one continent...

I feel its going to be more along the lines of a "civil world war" if thats possible?

If the ppl... mad as hell..."and rightly so".....from the southern USA, don't hit the trip wire lighting the spark "due to lack of respect for their lively hoods"...its coming and the PTB know it....and they are ...SKEERED!!!!!!

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

I think In November, the voting tide will shift and then in the next presidential election, the leadership will change and as someone said, the people who are happy now won't be happy, and the people who are unhappy now will be happy. And on and on it goes. The economy will eventually even out

Ah, yes. Of course, what you have described is Hegel's Dialectic. In fact, the entire American political system is a perfect example of the Hegelian dialectic in the flesh.
Yes, you are right, in the end, the entire 2-party political system of the United States is destined to continue this circular spiraling trail. A perfect example of this blend of thesis and antithesis synthesized into a new thesis occurred in 1994, during the mid-term elections, when Congress turned over, under Clinton. The result for the economy was several years of continued growth, due to Clinton's willingness to play the Hegelian game.
Will it happen in 2010? I'm not so sure, because, unlike Clinton, who was a pragmatist, Obama seems to be a true ideologue, who appears unwilling to bend. I hope I'm wrong, but again, unlike Clinton, Obama has shown zero tendency to compromise, or synthesize.

reply to post by AndrewJay


Join the club, us Brits are getting pissed off with our inept government(s)
Some small campaigns have started up probing for revolution to remove the monarchy and government.

Be ironic if we had a 2nd English civil war as i was executed in the 1st

Originally posted by Misoir
Just as 'The Theorist' said it would not be a Civil War but a Revolutionary War.

A Revolutionary War would fix the civil problems
on it's own.

Originally posted by Misoir
All i have to say is that for anyone who supports a Revolution, what is your end plan and what would you do if your revolution fails?

I doubt that it fails, there are too many that
support it. But if it does, then I will die
as a free man standing on my feet rather than a slave
begging on my knees.

[edit on 6-6-2010 by boondock-saint]

Originally posted by Misoir
They would have to bring in foreign troops because Americans
would not tolerate killing their fellow Americans.

They wouldn't need lots of troops
they only need a few to fly those
drones over US soil and push a
few buttons and BOOOOOOM !!!!
Scores of Patriots gone. Mass
murder at the press of a button.
It's nothing more than a video game
to some.

I think what we're headed toward is a combination of Civil and Revolutionary War; A Civil-Revolutionary War. We wouldn't be fighting a foreign Government, But the United States Government, Which is still made up of Americans (Although alot of them are closer to soul less monsters and give Americans a bad name.)

As far as the Military goes, Back in the Revolutionary war, Britian had to send troops by ship over the sea. This meant it took weeks to get new troops over here. This gave the Patriots time to resupply and get ready for the next "wave."

This time around though, There is the National Gaurd and the Reserves and any Active Duty people not overseas. They would just have to be given an order and sent off base and onto the streets. Obviously there would be a split in who would and wouldn't fight civilians, but even then the ones that would fight would be armed to the teeth. AR's, Tanks, Rockets, Grenades ect. And given out Governments tendency towards violence....It wouldnt be good to say the least.

I think the best route is some sort of Non-violent Civil-Revolutionary Disobedience.

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The NWO elite rich have been creating a Revolution for the last 100 years. They have been changing everything,transmogrifying it. Name one thing they havent changed.

Originally posted by RRokkyy
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The NWO elite rich have been creating a Revolution for the last 100 years. They have been changing everything,transmogrifying it. Name one thing they havent changed.

Are we supposed to exist in stasis?

A hundred years ago I would not have been allowed to vote. That alone qualifies in my book as a *very* *good* change.

Originally posted by AndrewJay
Is the United States on the verge of a second civil war? Barack Obama has done nothing but lie to us the entire time he's been in office. He promised our troops would come home and sent more. He promised he was against the patriot act and funded it. He shows no sign of any emotion towards the oil spill or BP. It seems like the man is nothing more than a well groomed puppet, yet the people of America do nothing and still worship the ground he walks on. Why? It's just another Bush!

This country was founded on the principal that every man is born equal. Yet those born into wealth can and do have power over those elected into office. The simple fact is, aside from making a deal with the devil himself, nobody seems to get ahead in this country. Most of us cant even hope to retire by the age of 60 and you consider yourselves free men?

The unemployement rate went down this month ...but 80% of those people are census workers hired to invade my privacy. Sure the Census isnt so bad, it takes 5 minutes to complete, but when the man taking the servey demands entry into my home it becomes a problem. THESE ARE NOT LONG TERM JOBS AND SHOULDNT BE EVEN SHOWN IN THE PERCENTAGE!

The simple fact is people cant find work. People are being thrown out of their homes. The banks are running wild with our money, nickel and diming us to death AFTER we "bailed them out"! I quote that saying because the money was used to buy out smaller banks and basically destroy the whole idea behind capitalism. But whatever. What is it going to take for this country to wake up and stand up for itself?

I leave you now with a quote from Thomas Jefferson:

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs"

This might be nothing new to some, but to others consider what you're reading and apply it to today. As our freedoms are slowly taken away from us on a daily basis, nobody wants to say or do anything. Other governments fear their people, we fear our government. We are no longer a republic and we know this by the puppets and crooks that have been in office since JFK was MURDERED (im sorry a single gun doesnt reload that quick in that day and age)!

While the rest of the country is being entertained, worked to death and well fed by their dancing with the stars, dollar menus, and the never ending fight against skin colour and religion, the rest of us know exactly whats going on. Put your hatred aside, be it race or religion, and see who the true enemy is. Theres a reason Ron Paul is nothing but a joke to the media. There is a reason why world news hits THIS very site before CNN!

Thank you for your time.

[edit on 6-6-2010 by AndrewJay]

Very, very well said.

You sir are my friend

S&F

Originally posted by Geeky_Bubbe

Originally posted by RRokkyy
reply to post by AndrewJay

 

The NWO elite rich have been creating a Revolution for the last 100 years. They have been changing everything,transmogrifying it. Name one thing they havent changed.

Are we supposed to exist in stasis?

A hundred years ago I would not have been allowed to vote. That alone qualifies in my book as a *very* *good* change.

You vote doesnt really count anyway in a Republic most of the time since you vote not for an issue but a person who is owned by the NWO elite rich.
If you vote for an issue and the NWO doesnt like it they have the courts overturn the proposition.
A hundred years of so called voting has gotten us to where we are which
is the beginning of the end of the country.

The politicians got so scared of the women voting that they gave us prohibition because the women thought drinking immoral. That led us to the NWO drug war which has cost a trillion dollars of your money and imprisoned tens of millions of americans.

Most here do not believe your vote means much. The Ds and Rs,(McCain/Kennedy immigration bill for example)are almost the same on the issues.
0bama has followed in Bushes hoofsteps. The health care bill is capitalist/fascist not socialist.

Change or Revolution is the way of the NWO. There goal
is to destroy the middle class and create a feudal society
with themselves as the Elite New Royalty.

reply to post by RRokkyy


Eh, sorry, I'm not a Kool-aid drinker when it comes to the whole NWO thing. [...shrug...]

But, I fully agree with your embedded points re: the War on Drugs. Hoping that Obama would change all that was about the only thing I was excited about when he won the election.



[edit on 6/6/10 by Geeky_Bubbe]

reply to post by Geeky_Bubbe


Hey Geeky, you should check out the Kool-Aid its not bad.

Actually, there are some pretty decent serious works about the subject. Since you *love* history, I would recommend "Tragedy and Hope", (700+ pages), and "The Anglo-American Establishment", both of which were written by Carol Quigley in the 1960s. He was a distinguished proffessor of history at Georgetown University, who was Bill Clinton's personal mentor, and whom Bill mentioned by name in his inaguration speech.

Quigley outlines the history of the Anglo-American Establishment responsible for planning and implementing the early stages of the NWO during the 20th century (at least up to the 1960s), and viewed himself as the personal historian of the establishment power brokers.
He had unfettered access to the library and archives of the Council on Foreign Relations for two years, for his research.

Among other things, he states:


"The Power of financial capitalism had [a] far reaching plan, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalistic fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks, which were themselves private corporations."

As an historian, his use of the word "feudalistic" is quite important. It harkens back to the system that was implemented in Europe following the fall of the Roman Empire, which invovled a system of Lords (the elite) and serfs (the masses), where the serfs were basically indentured slaves with no property or other rights...kinda like the system implemented in communist Russia under the Bolsheviks. While the party bosses were driven around in chauffered limosines, and dined in elaborate country dachas, the masses were deprived of all property rights and lived in abject poverty as indentured slaves to the establishment. Sounds fun no?

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new government? put these on the list...

term limits

elect, not nominate, supreme court justices

edit - oh yeah, line item veto




[edit on 7-6-2010 by FearNoEvil]

I honestly think we (the People) are miles and miles past the point of no return. The government has so many hidden tricks up their sleeve that it would be like a pet ant trying to teach its abusive owner a lesson.

The government would squash any attempt at revolution and then all freedoms would be gone.

The best, (and probably the only way), for a change in the way things are is peaceful protesting and learning to say "No" and not budging.

That and not electing the same crooks and liars over and over and over and over and over again.

Well,The U.S. is not the only country that is having problems.The European nations are also having civil discourse and issues themselves.

France is where it is going to come to a head.

54% of the French population are not even French.

The Scandinavian countries like Sweden, Denmark and Norway all have issues related to immigration.

Of course Great Britain is close to being a failed country too.

I think it will be a global issue not just here in the states.

I am sure there are forums just like this one in languages we don't understand where the same issues discussed here are being discussed by citizens fed up with what their politicians have done to them.

(Sorry for the one long sentence!)

By the way, although I do believe JFK was killed by conspiracy, a bolt action rifle does reload that fast in that day. It's not a black powder rifle..it was an Italian Carccanno rifle...I actually had one awhile back... used it for hunting.

As for Civil War....I do see the country polarized as was the US of 1860 and I believe without some organized revolt by the state governments, the rebellion will not work.

It will take some act so loathsome and emotional, that common sense is not considered, to instigate Civil War. I also believe it will be a random act, at first insignificant, that will light the spark of revolution.

The ONLY successful revolution ,
is a PEACEFUL one .

Form a NEW , viable , inscrutable , political party .

Beat THEM at their own game .

This needs a National , co-ordinated approach ,

and would ideally include your own T.V station .

You can achieve this .

Once in Government , You can effect the changes

You need .

Viva America !!!!

reply to post by radarloveguy


hahah dude, maybe my favorite post in the thread.

so what's your plan? um, I said YOUR PLAN!?

It would be awesome if that could be done, but it is extremely doubtful. At this point in my life, I would vote a John Stewart in office just because that man seems like he'd keep his word or eat a bullet. Then again, I've never met the man.