(Solution) Free Energy + 20 Hr Work Wk + Zero Taxes = Freedom, page 3
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reply posted on 6-6-2010 @ 12:44 AM by ExPostFacto
reply to post by Freedom or Death



Freedom or Death...I suppose enough people are thinking about different options to this system. At the beginning of the year the country of Ireland did a contest for ideas on how to move their country forward. I made a submission similar to what you have been talking about with independent contractors as a way out of our system of control and greed. Needless to say upon submission of my idea it was removed from their website. Upon further consideration of why they removed my idea (they had plenty of ridiculous ideas on the site) I realized a bank was the one putting on the competition. My plan would have fixed their economy instantly and only required a few modifications to protect the new structure of business that I proposed. I realized my proposal threatened the banking structure.

I will post this proposal soon for you to take a look and alter it or develop your thinking further.


reply posted on 6-6-2010 @ 01:20 AM by ofhumandescent
reply to post by Freedom or Death



Great post, and while Vircom says he might become board, not me - I could see this happening and be happy. So many books to read and so many ideas to explore.

But, in this 3D reality with the bankers this is simply a dream, we are a enslaved species and TPTB would never allow us so much time on our hands to think and improve our lot.



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reply posted on 6-6-2010 @ 01:24 AM by serbsta
reply to post by Freedom or Death



Originally posted by Freedom or Death


The government is the authority and as such has the power to do whatever it wants. They can print up an unlimited amount of currency and spend it how ever they see fit. Social services would not disappear, nor would infra-structure. Hell they might not even improve on effeciency. After all they are the government. That's where the private sector would fit in to improve upon inefficiences and service failures.



SMH...

It really doesn't work like that and it wouldn't work like that. The government can't just print out an infinite amount of money and do whatever it wants... shifting local/state government functions to the private sector would be a fail of epic proportions. Let's take street lighting as an example:

How many private companies will you have running the street lighting?

Will this be charged on a 'per household' basis?

It wouldn't be a profitable business because it wouldn't work, so where is the incentive for the private sector to provide street lights? There is none.

Taxes are not only necessary but fundamental to the Western capitalist system in its current form. For a system to work with no taxes everything needs to be turned on its head, we need to shift from the money/credit based system, we need to utilize energy efficient technologies, we need to compartmentalize market structures and have a system in place to provide the essentials to everyone, we need to adopt new architectural approaches towards maintaining population growth. There's no point of trying to blueprint this futuristic socialist utopia because it will never happen, but taxes are needed in this day and age.


reply posted on 6-6-2010 @ 01:33 AM by poet1b
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Yepper, the worse is still ahead.

The answer is for people to use their technological knowledge to start building manufacturing centers where small companies mass produce good quality goods.

Legalizing Cannabis or hemp, would be another good place to start for all the amazing products that can be produced from it.


reply posted on 6-6-2010 @ 01:34 AM by ofhumandescent
reply to post by abecedarian



1/4-1/3 try at least 50% and in some cases 75%.

No, doesn't have to be like that, it's just we are a enslaved species and most of us just simply are too stupid to rebell.

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reply posted on 6-6-2010 @ 01:34 AM by Gorman91
reply to post by Freedom or Death



Sorry dude, but I chose a career I love. It's 24 hours a day of work. Even my dreams are work and ideas.

You are trying to plan society.

This failed with suburbanism

this failed with the garden city movement

this failed with modernism, new modernism, etc etc.

You can't do it.

Though the other 2 are great and I want you to go with it.


reply posted on 6-6-2010 @ 02:21 AM by D377MC
Originally posted by ExPostFacto
reply to
post by Freedom or Death



Upon further consideration of why they removed my idea (they had plenty of ridiculous ideas on the site) I realized a bank was the one putting on the competition. My plan would have fixed their economy instantly and only required a few modifications to protect the new structure of business that I proposed. I realized my proposal threatened the banking structure.

I will post this proposal soon for you to take a look and alter it or develop your thinking further.


Please do, I would be very interested in that.

Regarding the subject : having read the first three pages of this thread it is obvious that the biggest obstacle to moving in the direction suggested is ourselves. The main problem, blatantly obvious from some of the comments, is our brainwashed, programmed state which is a major impediment to finding solutions via lateral thinking.
As an example, many have stated that we lack the means to sustain life above a certain population threshold, but is that true, or is such an idea mainly the result of our education for some, and a 'Georgia Guidestone' mentality for others?
What I know with certainty is that 70% of the world's total food supply is controlled, directly or indirectly, through incredibly tangled corporate structures, by the Windsor family. As we speak, for example, over 10,000,000 people in Africa are facing famine, but it is definitely not because their is not enough food to go around, rather is due to speculation, hoarding and an outright decision to starve those deemed unworthy by a certain elite - 'useless eaters' they arrogantly call them.
I have assisted in planting and nurturing a small plot on a small parcel of land and it produces such an abundance of fruit and vegetables that we are constantly giving crates of produce away - suffice to say, I don't believe for a second that we will have any difficulty whatsoever in feeding 3-4 times the world's actual population if we rid the world of certain people, their control mechanisms, their think-tanks and their stranglehold on education.

The question of work is rather less complex - the amount of work required is the exact amount that will feed you and your family, the rest is luxury. Having lived in small communities as well as metropolitan areas, and having experienced the afore-mentioned communities freely and cheerfully giving their weekends to help a member of the community enlarge their house or fix their barn I believe the answer lies again within - their is no need for a centralized form of power to dictate how, where and when I should work to then rob me of the fruits of my labor under the pretext of a greater good. I don't agree with anything I have seen from government in the past 35 years, so why should I pay for it?
I think the underlying idea is that work's value is in it's purpose: the whole idea that we work to get ahead in life will have to be reviewed. I'd rather work so that my neighbor has an extra bedroom for a baby on the way than for a new SUV. When did we stop being able to understand such simple concepts?

Finally free energy: one day we will find out how long it has been around, and the anger against corporate control in the name of energy and profit will be justified...

(...)


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