I might be blindly guessing but the ones who commented on here with disdain attitudes about illegals must be middle-class or upper class people who have had everything handed to them most of their life. In reality most of you couldnt even provide factual concrete evidence of how these 'leeches' affect you directly. I am a legal immigrant in this country and I am against illegal immigration as well and suggest that the in order for this nation to assimilate the wave of immigrants they must meet certain requisites: a high education level, clean criminal record, and of course pay taxes. I through experience with illegals of all sorts have seen the criminal masterminds you guys speak of and also on the other side of the spectrum have met the educated well civilized law abiding immigrants who even pay taxes under fake SSN#'s. Of course we can all agree on the closure and fortification of the border but most of you on here have this generalization about illegals that make you look very ignorant and racist (not saying you are) and it is beyond belief why any human being would deny basic resources to people who try to raise their standard of living. Most of you aren't even questioning the issue at hand, why we even have illegal immigration in the first place. Don't get me started on how NAFTA screwed these countries (its been posted before) and employers hiring illegals in the first place at jobs that most Americans dont even want. American should blame corporations and their government instead of using the immigrant as a scapegoat.

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[edit on 6/7/2010 by MustNotSpeak]

Hating these people will not stop them from coming. A permanent solution needs to be found..one that will make anyone wanting to come illegally think twice.

WOW... wow and wow. I can't believe that I read that people here support the idea that they should die in the dessert

First of all entering illegally in to the US is a MISDEMEANOR not a crime, just like a traffic stop.

Second of all leaving water for them or giving them water and even leaving maps showing where water is, it's not inciting them to cross to the US. Then, what's the difference when Jews were being killed for being Jews and leaving an illegal to die of dehydration or starvation just for being illegal? Aren't they human? aren't they a living beings? Would you kill or leave to die a hungry dog that enters to your backyard without permission or would you feed it and then send it back?

Third, even Border Patrol Agents carry cases of bottle of water to give to the illegals when caught. Why? Because they are HUMAN BEINGS!!!!

I want to see how many citizens of this country would do the jobs that the illegals do. They call them thieves. Are those workers in china and in other countries working for pennies for American Corporations thieves as well? Why don't those corporation bring those jobs over to the US to support the economy here instead paying "nothing" to people overseas to do what can be done here?

How many people in here have encounter an illegal immigrant almost dying from dehydration or starvation? Do you think is a pretty sight to see a fellow human being dying in front of you? To look at that poor person in the eyes begging you for water and not feel some type of sympathy for that person, not to help just saddens me deeply.

And just for your information, Border Patrol Agents are told that when they find water left in trails for the illegals not to touch them, because they are HUMAN BEINGS and they don't deserve to die like that.

If you live in a country where you see your family suffering from starvation and some one tells you that once you make it here you would be able to help your family, wouldn't you at least try? I'm not saying that we should let them in illegally, but we shouldn't let them die for trying to better theirs and their families lives.

Originally posted by skull_bones
Aiding and Abetting/Accessory:


They should be prosecuted also.

At the end of the day I have to live with my conscience. I think I'd rather endure prosecution for helping my fellow man, than live with knowing I didn't help someone.

History repeats itself as I am sure there were plenty of white people who didn't feed hungry and starving indians, because the plan was to get rid of them or whitemanize them. Even though the land was inhabited by indians, no one wanted them around. They wanted to tell them where to go live.... and when they did, they were still pushed off their land. Watch "broken rainbow" on youtube, and see how recent it was where Navajo and Hopi were told to get off their land. They were starved off, literally.

I see similarities to how mexicans are being treated. There are people on this thread who would rather see them die in the desert.

And you see, I have some of my own opinions about illegal aliens coming here.... and ruining some areas with their crime. But at the same time, for someone to say....... "let them die" ...... are you kidding me?

This issue has turned so blackhearted, it makes me fear for human kind.

And Oxygen has some of the most awesome posts on this thread. They are wise... very wise.

Originally posted by MustNotSpeak
I might be blindly guessing but the ones who commented on here with disdain attitudes about illegals must be middle-class or upper class people who have had everything handed to them most of their life. In reality most of you couldnt even provide factual concrete evidence of how these 'leeches' affect you directly.
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Well, lets see here.. I have been vocal on this thread about my disdain for people entering this country illegally and i can tell you I live way below middle class.

I have worked for 20 years of my life as an AC and Heating service person and made good enough money to buy a small condo. I had an injury during Hurricane Katrina that caused me not to be totally disabled, but bad enough where I could not do that type of work anymore.

After Katrina I saw this city New Orleans and its surrounding areas flooded by illegal Mexicans looking for cheap work. In fact, a guy I hired to repair my house had illegals working for him.. I did not know this until after they started the job. They were all very young men who could not speak a word of English.

Being in AC and Heating you have to know about a lot of things. Plumbing, carpentry, wielding, house wiring and general electricity up to 240 volts - not to mention the particulars and dynamics of AC and Heating itself.

I had to show these men how to do their jobs half the time and how to do it safely ! At one point, a fellow was about to unhook a washing machine drain line and flood the place when there was live exposed wires from the wall outlets all around him. I stopped him, brought him to the breaker box and showed him how to turn it off, then gestured that it was safe for him to continue. I didn't want to imagine the horror that could have happened.

I came home one day to find they had removed my bathtub. Something they did not have to do to replace the sheetrock.

It took me months to fix all the things they either didn't do or did half-assed.

If not bad enough crime in the city shot way up because of these Mexicans, and I should know. They broke into my house and held me and my wife at gunpoint to our heads while they took anything that wasn't nailed down.

Now you tell me Mr. KnowItAll, If I don't have a good reason to disdain these people.. I dare you.



[edit on 7-6-2010 by JohnPhoenix]

Originally posted by UnityFT
It's very easy for most of us to sit back in our comfortable homes, on our high-speed internet, drinking a Coke and say "It's bs that any illegals want to enter and we should never help any of them", isn't it?

Not if you have a conscience. I think most people do feel for these people HOWEVER, we must feel for our own first. We have too many people here legally who don't have food, shelter, jobs, etc...

This is not about what is legal, to me. This is about basic human decency.

Ok well using that same logic, there are a lot of other people on the planet that are much worse off then mexicans. Should we start shipping billions of people to the US so they can get help too?

They are CROSSING A BORDER, not necessarily drug trafficking, or wanting to bomb us, or any other malicious crime against humanity.

Some do. Some don't. Many will commit some type of crime once here.

As Oxygen56 has been so kind to point out.... NO ONE should have to pay to live on the planet we were ALL born on.

Every other country protects it's borders including mexico. And most other countries do so a lot more harshly then the US yet the US seems to be the only country that gets condemned for it.

No one should have to die to be able to provide a life for their family. If it comes down to this being a "life or death" situation (which it clearly is), no one should die because of this! And it truly sickens me that anyone would say otherwise.

You must also ask yourself who starts the chain of events locally. The illegal who decides to try and enter the US ILLEGALLY is the person who starts the chain of events.

WE are the change we want to see in our world. We are all One.

But the US cannot provide food, shelter and jobs for the entire world. So who is responsible for doing so?

We have experienced our American rights being stolen from us, we have experienced genocide here in our own country,
so I would feel that WE should have compassion for our fellow human beings.

You can have compassion without providing food, shelter and jobs.

No one (in any of the posts on this thread from what I've read) is in their position.

And we don't want to be. If we allow illegals to invade our country as they have been, and steal our resources, we will be just like them.

How could any of us say we would do it any differently if we felt we had no choice?

If you wanted food, would you commit burglary to get money for food? What kind of crimes are you willing to excuse and dismiss? Murder? Theft? etc...

I know I would do ANYTHING in my power to give my children the best chance at good life, including crossing into any country that I felt would help give them that.

including murder of the innocent?

Wow, the judgmentality on this thread is heartbreaking.

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We're not judging, we're just telling it the way it is. There are billions of people on this planet that are much worse off then mexican illegals who sneak into the US. How should we help those people? Obviously since you're advocating that we help the mexican illegals, you must alos agree we help all those other billions. How do you suggest we do it?

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
Now you tell me Mr. KnowItAll, If I don't have a good reason to disdain these people.. I dare you.

You are judging an entire group based on the actions of a few. That's prejudice. If it was a black person who had done that to you, would you have disdain for all black people?

An illegal immigrant stole $6000 from my husband and I. One person. The fact that he was an illegal immigrant is unimportant. I don't extend my disdain for HIM to all people that look like him or have something in common with him.

Most of you who are so adamantly against helping these people survive talk as if they're all murders, rapists and drug dealers. That's EXTREME prejudice! And I don't think you even realize it.

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix

Well, lets see here.. I have been vocal on this thread about my disdain for people entering this country illegally and i can tell you I live way below middle class.

I have worked for 20 years of my life as an AC and Heating service person and made good enough money to buy a small condo. I had an injury during Hurricane Katrina that caused me not to be totally disabled, but bad enough where I could not do that type of work anymore.

Sorry to hear you have had a rough time, I guess being sorry or giving a crap about our neighbors is the decent human thing to do...

After Katrina I saw this city New Orleans and its surrounding areas flooded by illegal Mexicans looking for cheap work. In fact, a guy I hired to repair my house had illegals working for him.. I did not know this until after they started the job. They were all very young men who could not speak a word of English.

I say bs here, you hired illegals {there is that dehumanizing label again}because they were cheap labor and you needed the job done.

Being in AC and Heating you have to know about a lot of things. Plumbing, carpentry, wielding, house wiring and general electricity up to 240 volts - not to mention the particulars and dynamics of AC and Heating itself.

I had to show these men how to do their jobs half the time and how to do it safely ! At one point, a fellow was about to unhook a washing machine drain line and flood the place when there was live exposed wires from the wall outlets all around him. I stopped him, brought him to the breaker box and showed him how to turn it off, then gestured that it was safe for him to continue. I didn't want to imagine the horror that could have happened.

I came home one day to find they had removed my bathtub. Something they did not have to do to replace the sheetrock.

It took me months to fix all the things they either didn't do or did half-assed.

So you hired Illegal aliens to fix your condo and you got burned,now you hate the entire group of people for it.

If not bad enough crime in the city shot way up because of these Mexicans, and I should know. They broke into my house and held me and my wife at gunpoint to our heads while they took anything that wasn't nailed down.

Sorry to hear about you getting robbed, again its the human thing to care about each other.

Now you tell me Mr. KnowItAll, If I don't have a good reason to disdain these people.. I dare you.

Your avatar speaks volumes, I have to assume you don't even view these people as humans..... but then that would explain letting them just die in the desert.

Your judging and entire race based on 2 experiences you have had with these people. 1 of these experiences you were trying to take advantage of there cheap labor and it didn't go the way you wished. You knew they were illegal when you hired them.




[edit on 7-6-2010 by LDragonFire]

once again, the problem is not the illegal inmigration. The real problem is the companies that are hiring illegal inmigrants to pay low wages, evade taxes and maximize the profit. That is the real crime.

Well done for the Samaritanos. There is always good people even in between the most terrible racists.