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Aliens, *Snip* they are demons. Prove me wrong.

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posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 07:14 AM
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Hmmmm Demons and aliens are the same thing? Prove you wrong?

You're assuming that the spiritual realm is real, that there is a god, that there are angels and that there are demons. You're also assuming that there are aliens.

Therefore your argument is based upon a gratuitous assumption: That these things actually exist and are not just tricks of the mind. Therefore proving you wrong is just as easy as saying "These things do not exist" because disproving a gratuitous assumption only requires a gratuitous denial.




posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 07:22 AM
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Sometimes stating something blatantly brings forth more thought. Therefore inspiring debate. Making it more controversial by a defining opinion by the op invokes scepticism, then a response. Debate is only one form of research, if I had left my claim off you probably wouldn't have even responded. However since you did I garnered knowledge no matter how little from you.


Great post guys keep it up.

[edit on 6-6-2010 by Loken68]



posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 08:38 AM
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I take it alot of people here r on the (they are here to help D*ck)...well,
Whats a matter people ,scared the Op might be right, and if he is right ,
I take it youll be scared , and you dont like to be scared ? Aware? Open? Analytical?

The New Age movement is by design .
Im interested to hear what people think they are , unless they just wanna blast the O.P , which is testament to your level of ignorance .lol

This thread has alot people with limited scope, and research , Wake up people,
If a marshmellow man comes and probes you to the enth degree , then hes a Demon -Alien marshmellow man !
Obvious no one here knows history, You think someone made up demons , tricksters,the gods . The Greeks , Romans ?
Indigenous people around the world know these things , YOUR LEADERS denyed indigenous people life and freedom , Avatar was a big I WISH for indigenous people of this planet
Furthermore , YOUR LEADERS which you followed , are now treating EVERYONE like a native , and depriving freedoms .
Its only natural when you have a predatory government , that they start looking closer to home to release some of that stress as all the native peoples are subdued .
Evil spaceships make sense , pefectly alligned with an evil government .
Aliens are evil , Read The Book of Enoch , Cosmic Conspiracy (Stan Deyo) ,
Do the research people, O.P has a major ,major point , what if they are ?
I think they are , prove me wrong and go against thousands of cultures, and thousands of years of Art ,and Oral History .
Just naive to think they abduct you cause your special , yeah,real special ...S&f



posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 09:59 AM
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They are not the same, however during early biblical times anything found of an advanced nature would be considered a demonic entity. As a result, those having association with it would be burned on the stake.

Years have changed, through knowledge of science we have discovered several accounts of this phenomena. The extraterrestrial phenomena can be linked to early Chinese and Japanese emperors becoming utterly scared to death by the bright illuminating orbs.

Even in bible, there is no clear indication of aliens aside from the fallen, or the off spring. Though, there is a clear description of a wheel within a wheel, presumed to be a UFO in the Ezekiel chapter.



posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 10:03 AM
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I starred and flagged your thread, for thinking outside the box, and not being afraid to share it with others. Yeah, you'll get the guy that says you could claim demons are marshmellow, and he'll get a bunch of stars for that...

The grays are us, in an advance spiritual state. That's how they can control their craft with thought. As we advance our spiritual state, we need our bodies less and less. Much of what we see about the grays is their space suits, and not the actual being inside.

The true aliens, look exactly like us, but are from Saturn. They are actually Atlantean remnants, who escaped Earth, and God's wrath, as at the time, they were mining Saturn.

The Reptilians, are the true demons. They come from center earth, and are very advanced, and very evil.




posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 10:15 AM
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When we see giants in ancient text , it makes sense that they would live on a bigger planet (like Saturn),with a very heavy gravity, i would think the bigger humans are exactly that ,BIG HUMANS . Interesting how you link Saturn with Atlantis,when alot wouldve picked Mars, but what gives credence to your theory is the Mega Structures around the globe could have been done by Atlantians /Sumerians using their Giant Strength as opposed to the Advanced Mind and Technolgy theories getting around . Could you elaborate more on this theory ?



posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 10:30 AM
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I can not imagine anything living among the gas storms and major hurricanes on Saturn.



posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 10:38 AM
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In no way whatsoever would they be the same, I would think.



posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 10:57 AM
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Saturn, has long been associated with Satan. The people from Saturn, were actually originally from Earth, Atlantis to be exact. They knew how to travel from Earth, to Saturn and back. Something to do with mining. I believe it was the abundance of helium, which they used in large balloons as lifting devices.

Gold, somehow, allowed their space travel, and created energy here on Earth.

They became like us, forgetting about God, and crediting their advancements to themselves, instead of thanking God for the knowledge.

As far as I know, the Giants were from God's realm, and were not human. I believe the Reptilians are the result of the Giants and Human interbreeding. If you look at the dinosaurs, they are reptilian. It's possible the Giants brought some of their own animals with them, including the snake that tricked Eve.

I am told that Earth, is the only place in the universe that creates life. The egg in the womb, if you wish...We are close to birth. That is the real awakening.

The pyramids were built by normal humans. They were most likely remnants of Atlantis. The story of Noah is about Atlantis. If you notice, there were others besides Noah who survived. It's most likely, they were on Saturn, only to return home to find their home destroyed. They were very angry at God, and vowed revenge.. The large granite blocks, were put into place using large granite ball bearing (found all over Earth), running in grooves. Scaffolding was used. Much of the pyramid was made with concrete, and forms.

As with all people, there are good and bad. There is a great battle currently going on on Earth, between the people from Saturn. Some want to destroy Earth humans, and some want to help. People from Saturn blink alot, as the atmosphere is more helium based on Saturn.

The Easter Island statues were built off the island, and transported there by boats. They stood them up by digging holes, and tilting them into the hole.

The Giants were destroyed by God, but the offspring, the Reptilians, survived by going underground. They establish a new colony on Inner Earth. Inner Earth contains a sun, and oceans. Admiral Byrd saw it. The Reptilians are basically a cursed race, and hate God.

The evil Saturn people and the Reptilians eventually joined together and formed societies such as the Freemasons to support their Global intent to destroy most of mankind, and kill God's children. Most Freemasons don't realize that the dues they pay are supporting their own demise.

I pretty sure the Planet X people are seeing is Jesus, and a great ship that is waiting for God to say, "land on Earth and create the New City" At some point, God will cut off His most merciful gift for those who go against Him.

That most merciful gift, is death.



posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 11:21 AM
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What if ..

What if there are countless other worlds, dimensions, or universes intersecting with ours?

What if sometimes there are holes, portals, tears, or doorways between them that allow beings to pass through?

Might it then be possible that grey aliens, demons, dragons, bigfoot, fairies, elves, the Jersey Devil and the Dover Demon, lizardmen, gnomes, trolls, goblins, unicorns .. and etc. and so on and so forth .. are ALL travelers, whether accidentally or deliberately, from one of these other places?

Personally, although he has not responded to my earlier post, I think the OP may be one of the people who believe that all cryptozoological, paranormal, and inexplicable entities are the tricks and disguises of spiritually evil demons whose purpose is to deceive and confuse us and thereby lead us away from "God" and the beliefs of Christianity. I can't prove that's not true, I don't think it is possible to prove that's not true, but I surely hope it's not true and would prefer other theories such as mine above.

That said, I *think* the OP is suggesting that demons disguise themselves and pretend to be aliens and there aren't really any "aliens" visiting our world.



posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 11:40 AM
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Demons are imaginary creatures in an antiquated hodgepodge of various mythologies. Aliens are real, in the sense that the likelihood of them existing somewhere is astronomically high (close to 1 : 1 ) BUT in all likelihood the stories of aliens visiting Earth are more than likely another set of new mythological creations.

Sorry, both of these beliefs are fictional.



posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 12:13 PM
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You're asking for a double negative. Of course you can't be proven wrong and equally, you can't prove you're correct.

I've seen giant, flying, purple, invisible wombats who are currently building a giant invasion fleet in another dimension that only I can see. prove I'm wrong....same thing.



posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 12:46 PM
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One cannot prove a negative matey.

What next, guilty until proven innocent.



posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 01:06 PM
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I haven't seen Jaques Vallee, one of the big names in Ufology mentioned yet. He spent decades researching the phenomena, and concluded that there was a definite connection between what we call UFO's, abductions, etc., and the OCCULT.

Instead of trying to pigeon-hole whatever they are into option A or B, the evidence does seem to consistently indicate an occult connection. John Keel is another ("Mothman Propphesies"). If we were to err on the conservative side, we should at least accept the gist of this evidence that seems to say, at a minimum, "Danger Will Robinson!"

JR



posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by krystalice
I can not imagine anything living among the gas storms and major hurricanes on Saturn.


We are made of the elements of our planet. In the case of humans , it is air, water, fire and earth. These four elements are in our body and they are the elements found on planet earth.

If we were manifesting on Saturn then we would be made of the elements of that planet.



posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 01:47 PM
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Or demons are aliens

just my 2 cents into a machine that takes quarters



posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 02:13 PM
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All Aliens are "Demons"...

See, it's this kind of thinking that holds us back.

I'm not saying that all ET's would be benevolent - they most definitely would range just like humans do - good, bad, and in-between.

But with your Hardcore-Christian thinking, if we DO ever get any visitors, you guys will just shoot first anyways.

Makes me sick. Take the book literally, why don't you? Believe it to the tee. It's right and everything else is wrong.

How about - Have a mind of your own?????????? And US non-believers are the sheep???


Please...



posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 02:26 PM
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I agree, and I appreciate you having some thoughts on the matter. Most don't. But uh, the only green alien I've ever heard of is Kazoo from the Flintstones.

More on the topic:
No proof these things exist? Well, from some perspectives, that statement is doubly problematic. One, because "proof" can only be defined BY each individual, FOR themselves, and is not up to various random professors or television personalities. So yes, that proof does actually exist, it's just not official.
Second, um.. yeah it does exist, in scads. But, "proof" is a social concept, and is basically defined by common decision, which is basically programmed by the television and it's talking heads. Proof, without parentheses, is individually decided upon.
Also, demons themselves are not real, and have no television-official proof, so it seems a bit odd that you would choose 4 non-real things and then claim that they were all this same non-real thing.
But, you could be right. The job of these officially-fictional demons is to confuse and distort human minds, no?
Only maybe 1/4 of the time do I speak from my own personal perspective, but for this paragraph I will. Your thesis, to me, seems unlikely. Not impossible, but very unlikely. It's probably a lot more complicated than that. Probably there are actual aliens and spirits, and actual demons , and actual Tall Blondes, or whatnot, maybe all of them. But demons, in the stories, like to change into or pretend to be other things. It's a relic of their mindset. Which is inherently self-defeating. Possibly, they're style of creating matter to live on does not allow for that matter to be eternal. So therefore, when their power is very close to fading out, they may only be able to appear as spirits. Also they may pose intentionally as spirits or whatnot, as previously stated. In this world, this sick world we have nowadays, I personally think that if demons were existing, they would have lots and lots and lots of food, because the basic emotions of mankind right now are all negative. So they would have to either be doing something rather important to run out of energy, or they'd have to be on the bottom of the totem pole, so to speak.
If I had to hazard a guess, which I do not, I'd say probably ghosts are 70% real, aliens are... different by each individual, just like us, but generally would work in the same ways as demons, so no real difference could be made, nor would it matter. If you do some research, what you'll see is that each of these categories of other beings have both positive oriented and negative oriented individuals, which makes sense to me. Because since humans do not share a common morality, but rather morality is determined by each individual himself, it would make sense that other species or levels of existence would also work in the same way.



posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by FOXMULDER147
Ghosts/Demons are spiritual. Aliens are physical. How can they be the same thing?


The physical container called "the body" contains "the soul".

If you believed in ghosts(which you probably don't) you would already know that! *Psycho* means soul so when people say psycho-path they mean their soul is suffering. Verbatimely it means "path of the soul"!

Interesting how people can claim to be experts in many fields, yet they don't understand ROOT WORDS and what they mean.

Another example: Disc-lo-sure means exactly what it implies....



Originally posted by FOXMULDER147
What a strange thread. There's no conclusive proof that any of the above exist. I could say 'demons are marshmallow men - prove me wrong'.


Proof is subjective, so how can mainstream science have proof of any paranormal(para means "non" or "out of" and together they mean "out of the normal") activities if it is lagging 500 years behind *PARA*-anything and classified science?


[edit on 6-6-2010 by EarthCitizen07]



posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by FOXMULDER147
Ghosts/Demons are spiritual. Aliens are physical. How can they be the same thing?

What a strange thread. There's no conclusive proof that any of the above exist. I could say 'demons are marshmallow men - prove me wrong'.


Ditto



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