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North Korea And America - What’s The Difference?

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posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 11:16 AM
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The simplest way I can explain this is as follows;

In the U.S., you can choose to attend a presidential speech - in so doing, you can loudly call "bull@#$t" at any point he says something you don't like, and in some cases, might actually get a standing ovation from others. Afterwards, you can choose to go get a beer with your friends and continue talking trash about him.

In North Korea, you can be forced to attend a speech given by Kim Jong-Il - in so doing, if you loudly call "bull@#$t" at any point he says something you don't like, you will be removed by force at which point chances are, you will either be sent to a re-education and internment camp or you will be shot point blank in the head. Getting a beer with your friends is not an option.

I cannot express just how rediculously inept your assessment is any more simply than that.

Besides, I don't know what country you're in or where you're getting your information from, but in America we don't typically talk trash about North Korea (Team America references aside). Usually, we wait for North Korea to manufacture some sort of incident, decry how they'll blow up the known universe if we don't capitulate to their demands and silently roll our eyes, maybe with a facepalm for extra emphasis.

[edit on 5-6-2010 by Legion2112]




posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 11:28 AM
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The only positive in North Korea as of right now is that Kim is sick and may not be able to continue to be dictator for much longer. Yes, his nephew will take over but there is hope that due to his young age he will not be able to commandeer the respect of the military and in turn the people will reject him.

That's all the positives I could come up with.



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 12:59 PM
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Slayer you know this liberal pukes,know nothing of the real history, They hate the fact that America is sill standing and there Empires have crumbled, they know that Americahas been the gaurdian of freedom, while they sat on the sidelines.... Wishing they could be Americans.


Thats why I wonder is it wrong to pray that when the next cival war breaks out all these liberal weenies die?



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 05:19 PM
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Dont fall into the trap gentlemen.......


What we have here, is someone trolling again for an opportunity to bash the USA.....nothing more


.......proceed!

[edit on 5-6-2010 by ManBehindTheMask]



posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 04:02 AM
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Originally posted by OrionHunterX
Some here will think I’ve lost my marbles! How can one compare North Korea with this oldest and ‘greatest’ democracy that is America?

Ok, let’s see whether Americans have the right to keep bashing North Korea (or Iran for that matter). That evil empire which has no democracy, is ruled by a tyrant and one of the largest militaries in the world having their fingers on the nuclear trigger threatening South Korea, Japan and all of America’s assets within range.

America too is a society dominated by militarism. Perhaps this is something that started with the defeat in Vietnam, when the US military decided to switch from an unpopular conscription to an all volunteer force ‘imbibed with the warrior ethos’. Perhaps it’s always been in the America’s DNA, considering its history of violence in subjugating the land, natives, European competitors and finally the world.

Popular culture in America is all about war. The most popular film of this summer – Iron Man 2 which is all about fetishism of military hardware. And then, we have Call of Duty: Black Ops, the most anticipated video game which is another frighteningly realistic immersion into war and counter-insurgency. Since we can’t recruit 12-year olds to fight wars, we start indoctrinating them through gaming from even earlier!

It isn’t a secret that our supreme political status in the world rests on militarism. It’s there for all to see – Vietnam, Korea, the Middle East, Africa, Afghanistan, the Rose, Tulip and Orange revolutions in CIS Republics …. You name it. America has a finger in every pie.

The United States was the first country in the world to develop nuclear weapons, and is the only country to have used them in warfare, with the two bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. During the Cold War it conducted over a thousand nuclear tests and developed many long-range weapon delivery systems. It maintains an arsenal of 5,113 warheads and facilities for their construction and design. How does North Korea compare?

So why do Americans see only North Korea as being a dangerous, evil, militaristic autocratic state with no democracy and human rights? But what’s so different? Is it American democracy? A democracy where millions are jobless, where the rich get richer, where the honest tax payer’s money is used to bail out billion dollar corporations and their CEOs, where private financial institutions and oil cartels control the economy, and where health care is still a pipe dream for the have-nots? Human rights? Less said the better. Remember Abu Ghraib? And that was just the tip of the iceberg.

Both countries base their power on the military; both countries are run by elites; both countries have citizens who are completely ignorant of the outside world, living in their cloistered shells and both lack an unbiased genuine media and public discourse. In North Korea everyone has to listen to piped martial music and songs related to the dynasty. In America, everyone has to watch trashy TV owned by the PTBs who have an agenda of misinformation and propaganda, much of it spewed out by the government.

So I think we should rein ourselves in and stop bashing others like we are the paragons of virtue, a shining example of democracy and the epitome of human rights. Let’s get our house in order first before pronouncing judgment on others.

And then there’s Iran. But that’s for another thread…

Let the bashing begin!!

[edit on 5-6-2010 by OrionHunterX]


Wow.

How old are you?

Take this crap somewhere else.

Slay - if I could have give you 50 stars, I would have. Excellent counterpoints and a blatant example of someone who knows little about the US other than what they see on their "unbiased" news channels - their video games (which reeks of some baby lib in some western European country) and the few movies they've seen.

Sickening.

[edit on 6-6-2010 by mf_luder]



posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 04:11 AM
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Originally posted by OrionHunterX
this oldest and ‘greatest’ democracy that is America?


A thread opening with a sick joke always works.



posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 04:13 AM
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But to reply on your post.

N.K. doesn't lie to its civilians by telling them they are free like US does.



posted on Jun, 6 2010 @ 03:36 PM
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I'd give you 50 Stars too, Slay!

This thread uncovers yet again anti Americanism at the world level whether because of jealousy and ignorance or because of competing political or economic interests.

It uncovers the domestic anti Americanism with its various roots in idealism, misguided radicalism, socialism, communism and belief that some sort if "ism" would be a better solution to our problems than our constitution based democracy. Most of that is because of lack of understanding of our political and economic systems.

It really helps to understand the strengths of the US system by remembering the extent of misery, destruction and discontent caused by socialism, communism, and various dictatorships just in the last half dozen decades!

The crowning touch of this OP was the attempt to seriously compare the world's strongest world power to arguably one of the most oppressed and poorest countries!



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 01:21 AM
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Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
Dont fall into the trap gentlemen.......
What we have here, is someone trolling again for an opportunity to bash the USA.....nothing more
.......proceed!

That's EXACTLY what I'm saying! One can't bash America - the holy cow! Freedom of speech and opinions only belong to the Americans. How dare anyone even tries to equate it to countries like NK or Iran for that matter? Freedom only for America. The rest of the world just needs to shut the heck up...or else he's deemed to be a troll! Geeez!

And of course, America is one of the 'free' countries where anyone - even a child - can procure an unlicensed weapon and shoot their classmates and teachers in school! Freedom without responsibility!! Without the rule of law. Freedom to bring the WTC down! And...Oh never mind!

Carry on....



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 01:34 AM
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Originally posted by plumranch
It really helps to understand the strengths of the US system by remembering the extent of misery, destruction and discontent caused by socialism, communism, and various dictatorships just in the last half dozen decades!

Have you forgotten the misery, destruction and discontent brought about by the neo-cons to Iraq? 60,000 civilians killed and counting. Afghanistan? Thousands more. Somalia? CIS Republics? You name it! How many civilians has NK killed in other sovereign countries? Take those blinkers off for a moment and weigh things objectively. I know it's patriotic to be patriotic. Even the North Koreans are!



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 01:45 AM
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I totally see what you mean, but I think the average U.S. citizen is quite different than our current potus and his czars.. I see it as just them that are like NK, maybe they aren't all the way there yet, but they WANT TO BE...
The average citizen however, does not resemble any of those traits in my opinion, and so I wouldn't be saying "We are like this in the usa too"
I might say "some of us are like that" instead
(and I should also include the neocons in this too) I am only excluding most citizens from being that way..

[edit on 7-6-2010 by alienreality]



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 02:02 AM
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Have you forgotten the misery, destruction and discontent brought about by the neo-cons to Iraq?


Better to ask the Iraqi whether he is better off. Iraqis are on the road of becoming a modern, respectable ME power.

All of your comparisons pale to the human misery and death of say a Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot or even a Sadam Husein.




How many civilians has NK killed in other sovereign countries?


The Kim Jong Il regime is a local, limited military power. Kim cannot extend the misery and killing beyond NK simply because he has very limited resources.

Of course, he could attempt all out war but his defeat would be dramatic and immediate.



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 06:24 AM
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In north Korea you are free to grow Hemp , while in USA Hemp is banned.

Hemp was the greatest thing that happened to the world , and US govt and robber barons were resp for destruction of the world by banning hemp .

nough said



Hemp, a crop that has, without question, benefited the US and seen it through thick and thin, has not graced America’s fertile soils for over half a century. In that time, America ceded its dominance in hemp cultivation to the Soviet Union, which produced the most hemp from 1950-1980. It was not until the 1990’s that some industrialized countries began to loosen restrictions and allow the cultivation of hemp again, including Australia, Germany, France, Italy, Great Britain, and Canada. Today, America stands as the only industrialized country that does not allow the cultivation of hemp; by contrast, North Korea, arguably one of the most sheltered, underdeveloped, and authoritarian regimes on the planet, allows the cultivation of hemp.
www.prisonplanet.com...



www.hempfarm.org...


[edit on 7-6-2010 by sadchild01]



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 06:47 AM
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It is said by those in the know that The Kennedy assasination was a coup of the American Government..Ohio vote fraud during Bush regime would seem to bare that out..

The freedom of speech in America is a fading illusion.
the propaganda is staggering.

Look at the reporters who were Arkensided investigating the reign of Clintons.

Here is an example just to show while the American people are fine, so are both people in both Koreas too I am sure, but the governments? ....Waco, Ruby Riidge, 911 inside job, gulf of Tonkin never happened...etc
Obama just signed a treaty which if ratified like the banker bail out was with 90 percent against, will give the guv carte blanche to start scooping up the guns...

Any how, here is what you don't hear from your freedom of the press in America note the US inspired censorship...

"Immediately after the announcement last week of the Cheonan investigation findings, the Lee Myung-bak administration held an emergency meeting and announced that it would be cracking down on any and all acts of spreading falsehoods about the cause of the sinking.

Yesterday, the Korean National Police Agency (KNPA) announced that it was carrying out a focused investigation of Internet users spreading false information through Internet bulletin boards and blogs. KNPA stated that the targets for investigation would be malicious conspiracy theories, but if events unfold according to police investigation methods, all critical and analytical posts about the cause of the Cheonan¡¯s sinking or the government¡¯s response could become targets for the crackdown. It is abundantly clear that legitimate questions and differing opinions are being curtailed.


Gagging the South Korean public has already been taking place openly. The Ministry of National Defense and the military have pressed defamation charges against former Cheong Wa Dae (the presidential office in South Korea or Blue House) National Security Strategy Secretary Park Sun-won. Park said, ¡°The wake and communications records from the Cheonan that the South Korean government did not disclose are probably in the hands of the U.S.,¡± and joint civilian-military fact-finding team member Shin Sang-chul claimed that the Cheonan ran aground. "

www.hani.co.kr...

Hope my thread dealing with the same old false flag during drill pattern
that keeps occurring while we don't look at what the other hand is doing
doesn't conflict with this one
www.abovetopsecret.com...

PS
IMHO
the OP is trying to illustrate, and it is easy to illustrate with solid links ,
the US is headed for the same lock boot that is on Korea's throat.

Blind partriotism is ...helping






[edit on 7-6-2010 by Danbones]



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 08:35 AM
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We actually used our nukes. We don't just talk trash, we produce.



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by plumranch
reply to post by OrionHunterX
 

Better to ask the Iraqi whether he is better off. Iraqis are on the road of becoming a modern, respectable ME power.

See? This is what I'm trying to say. Whoever told you that Iraq is better off today than what it was earlier? Have you even been there yourself to get a ground view of what exactly is going on there? Oh yes, I know already. The 'free' American media controlled by the PTBs and led by Fox news and the Enquirer!!
Don't worry, be happy. Iraq is on the way to becoming a full fledged democracy - American style! Which means that Iraq will always be under the covert control of the US and its oil cartels. Get real!


All of your comparisons pale to the human misery and death of say a Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot or even a Sadam Husein.

Ah! So you are comparing America with Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot? Ok, America is better. Not as bad as the regimes you mentioned!


[Originally posted by OrionHunterX
How many civilians has NK killed in other sovereign countries?]

The Kim Jong Il regime is a local, limited military power. Kim cannot extend the misery and killing beyond NK simply because he has very limited resources. Of course, he could attempt all out war but his defeat would be dramatic and immediate.

What resources are you talking about? Have you even bothered to read its military capabilities? Does NK have the capability of force projection out of its borders? You bet it does. Have a look-see here..


North Korea is one of the few nations that can engage in a total war with the United States. The US war planners recognize this fact. For example, on March 7, 2000, Gen. Thomas A Schwartz, the US commander in Korea at the time, testified at a US congressional hearing that "North Korea is the country most likely to involve the United States in a large-scale war."



North Korea, which can and is willing to face up to the sole military superpower of the world, cannot be called a weak nation. Nevertheless, Western press and analysts distort the truth and depict North Korea as an "impoverished" nation, starving and on the brink of imminent collapse. An impoverished, starving nation cannot face down a military superpower. Today few nations have military assets strong enough to challenge the US military.


And you’ll be surprised what NK has in its arsenal.


North Korea's regular army is for offensive actions whereas its militias are homeland defense. North Korea's regular army consists of 4 corps in the front area, 8 corps in the rear area, one tank corps, 5 armored corps, 2 artillery corps, and 1 corps for the defense of Pyongyang, South Korea has 19 infantry divisions whereas North Korea has 80 divisions and brigades.


More in the link below. So your contention that NK has very limited resources and would be wiped out in quick time is totally misplaced and based on Western propaganda!


Korea Military Tactics



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 09:54 AM
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AND BY THE WAY ALLOW ME TO CLARIFY. WHEN I SAY 'AMERICA' I DON'T MEAN AND NEVER MEANT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE! ITS THE PTBS, THE MEDIA, THE SECRET SHADOW GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED BY THE NEO-CONS, AND THE OIL AND BANKING CARTELS THAT HAVE SCREWED THINGS UP AND HOW!


NWO Busted: Bilderberg Secrets Revealed To EU!

www.disclose.tv...

So where do you figure in the scheme of things? Nowhere. You're just a pawn in a chess game with a false sense of freedom! The real controllers of your destiny - all 120 of them- are out there.

[edit on 7-6-2010 by OrionHunterX]



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by OrionHunterX
AND BY THE WAY ALLOW ME TO CLARIFY. WHEN I SAY 'AMERICA' I DON'T MEAN AND NEVER MEANT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE! ITS THE PTBS, THE MEDIA, THE SECRET SHADOW GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED BY THE NEO-CONS, AND THE OIL AND BANKING CARTELS THAT HAVE SCREWED THINGS UP AND HOW!


NWO Busted: Bilderberg Secrets Revealed To EU!

www.disclose.tv...

So where do you figure in the scheme of things? Nowhere. You're just a pawn in a chess game with a false sense of freedom! The real controllers of your destiny - all 120 of them- are out there.

[edit on 7-6-2010 by OrionHunterX]


More and more Americans are waking up to the fact that things arent what they seem to be. We see the Feds and Buisness sending Jobs overseas for slave labor wages, we see them allowing illegals to pour through our ungaurded borders for while our finest rot away in two wars that there not trying to win.

The idea of America is great, but for the past 100 years we've had progressives and fascist Liberals-conservatives erode our inalienable rights, the day of reckoning will come bash our government all you want, but not our people.



posted on Jun, 7 2010 @ 02:42 PM
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North Korea's ruler isn't a closeted homosexual illegal alien.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 02:43 AM
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Originally posted by Mike_A
Its freedom to change the political and cultural values of society, its freedom of knowledge. North Koreans have none of this.

You said 'cultural values'? Freedom? Rule of law?

Warren Anderson, former CEO of Union Carbide, the man responsible for the deaths of more than 20,000 people in India in the worst industrial disaster in human history is enjoying in his Long Island mansion unconcerned about the blood on his hands. And to rub salt into the wounds of the thousands more who were injured, the US of A has refused to either extradite him to face trial or to take any action to bring him to justice.

You see, none of those who died were Americans. If this had happened on American soil, Anderson would have been strung on a pole. Are the PTBs concerned about what happens outside American shores? Lives are a dispensable commodity except Americans. The rule of law and liberty are the prerogative of the US of A. The rest of the world be damned!

But then the US of A never tires of pontificating to the world the rule of law, liberty, and human rights. People in glass houses shouldn't be throwing bricks! Do unto others what you would have them do unto you!

Where are the ones who were here on their bashing spree on this thread? Slithered away for lack of answers? Well, I ain't surprised!




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