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North Korea And America - What’s The Difference?

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posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 08:36 AM
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Some here will think I’ve lost my marbles! How can one compare North Korea with this oldest and ‘greatest’ democracy that is America?

Ok, let’s see whether Americans have the right to keep bashing North Korea (or Iran for that matter). That evil empire which has no democracy, is ruled by a tyrant and one of the largest militaries in the world having their fingers on the nuclear trigger threatening South Korea, Japan and all of America’s assets within range.

America too is a society dominated by militarism. Perhaps this is something that started with the defeat in Vietnam, when the US military decided to switch from an unpopular conscription to an all volunteer force ‘imbibed with the warrior ethos’. Perhaps it’s always been in the America’s DNA, considering its history of violence in subjugating the land, natives, European competitors and finally the world.

Popular culture in America is all about war. The most popular film of this summer – Iron Man 2 which is all about fetishism of military hardware. And then, we have Call of Duty: Black Ops, the most anticipated video game which is another frighteningly realistic immersion into war and counter-insurgency. Since we can’t recruit 12-year olds to fight wars, we start indoctrinating them through gaming from even earlier!

It isn’t a secret that our supreme political status in the world rests on militarism. It’s there for all to see – Vietnam, Korea, the Middle East, Africa, Afghanistan, the Rose, Tulip and Orange revolutions in CIS Republics …. You name it. America has a finger in every pie.

The United States was the first country in the world to develop nuclear weapons, and is the only country to have used them in warfare, with the two bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. During the Cold War it conducted over a thousand nuclear tests and developed many long-range weapon delivery systems. It maintains an arsenal of 5,113 warheads and facilities for their construction and design. How does North Korea compare?

So why do Americans see only North Korea as being a dangerous, evil, militaristic autocratic state with no democracy and human rights? But what’s so different? Is it American democracy? A democracy where millions are jobless, where the rich get richer, where the honest tax payer’s money is used to bail out billion dollar corporations and their CEOs, where private financial institutions and oil cartels control the economy, and where health care is still a pipe dream for the have-nots? Human rights? Less said the better. Remember Abu Ghraib? And that was just the tip of the iceberg.

Both countries base their power on the military; both countries are run by elites; both countries have citizens who are completely ignorant of the outside world, living in their cloistered shells and both lack an unbiased genuine media and public discourse. In North Korea everyone has to listen to piped martial music and songs related to the dynasty. In America, everyone has to watch trashy TV owned by the PTBs who have an agenda of misinformation and propaganda, much of it spewed out by the government.

So I think we should rein ourselves in and stop bashing others like we are the paragons of virtue, a shining example of democracy and the epitome of human rights. Let’s get our house in order first before pronouncing judgment on others.

And then there’s Iran. But that’s for another thread…

Let the bashing begin!!




[edit on 5-6-2010 by OrionHunterX]




posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 09:03 AM
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The fact that you are even able to make this post is the reason the United States is a million miles away from North Korea.



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 09:10 AM
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Are you blind to the fact that North Koreans are not able to criticize their country in the way you have? And that this right is protected in America? Mull that over the next time you think about comparing North Korea to the USA.



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 09:17 AM
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Originally posted by Mike_A
The fact that you are even able to make this post is the reason the United States is a million miles away from North Korea.

Ah...Freedom to post on ATS!
Is this what America is all about? Geeez!



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 09:19 AM
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are you sure hes from USA?

USA=land of the fee and home of the slave

Thank you Bush and Obama socialism fascism



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 09:23 AM
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I wouldn't even compare North Korea to Iran, which you inferred were interchangeable models of civilization.

Iran is worlds ahead of North Korea in terms of human rights and basic necessities. They still have a far way to go in my opinion, but North Korea is not even close to being considered humane.

If it weren't for the extreme religious views in Iran, such as the belief about promiscuous women and earthquakes, I think Iran would be considered a more modern country. Personally, I believe their intolerance towards other religious beliefs, and the lack of separation between law and religion, is what predominantly holds them back.

As for North Korea, maybe we should try to make this argument again once millions of people stop dying from starvation.

This alone puts the rest of these countries above North Korea:


Six countries -- the United States, South Korea, Germany, Australia, Cuba and Finland -- have contributed to the WPF program in North Korea in 2002.


edition.cnn.com...

Oh, here's North Korea's annual harvest numbers as well:



Harvest

1990- 91,000,000 tons
1994- 70,830,000 tons
1995- 34,990,000 tons
1996- 25,020,000 tons
1997- 26,850,000 tons
1998- 32,020,000 tons
1999- 42,810,000 tons
2000- 32,620,000 tons



Certainly doesn't appear to be too well managed to me.


Source: en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 09:25 AM
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there are very big differences, one is in asia, one in north america, one is communist, one is not, one has a crazy leader and one has just gotten rid of theirs.



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by sadchild01
reply to post by RemainSkeptical
 


are you sure hes from USA?

USA=land of the fee and home of the slave

Thank you Bush and Obama socialism fascism


If he is from the USA, he should be even more ashamed of his argument.



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 09:34 AM
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Ah...Freedom to post on ATS! Is this what America is all about? Geeez!


No it’s freedom of speech, its freedom to criticize, its freedom of choice, its freedom to change your circumstances, its freedom to change the political and cultural values of society, its freedom of knowledge. North Koreans have none of this.

It isn’t that the US is perfect, some of your criticisms are valid, but the point is that you are able to compare what America does with what North Korea does and that is because Americans are allowed to have this knowledge and they are free to use it to change things if they so wish. You may flippantly scoff at having the freedom to post on ATS but that is a freedom that many North Koreans literally risk their lives for when they try to cross the border into South Korea.



[edit on 5-6-2010 by Mike_A]



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 09:39 AM
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How about we summarize it like this:

You are free to leave the United States if you don't like it and move out to another country any time you want.

Unfortunately, if you were living in North Korea, you would be killed for trying.



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 09:47 AM
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I suggest tiny experiment - that is if you really want to find the difference ,or similarity.
Live for couple of weeks in US.
Wear t-shirt that says - Capitalism sucks,Communism rocks.
Try to visit any public place you want ,count how many times you will be stopped. Eat only in places available to commoners.
Try to imagine the results.
Live (try,at least) for couple of weeks in North Korea.
Wear t-shirt that says Capitalism rocks, Communism sucks.
Try to visit any public place you want ,count how many times you will be stopped. Eat only in places available to commoners. Oh, and ask how many North Koreans have access to internet.
Now tiny question - you really imagine yourself doing what i suggested in North Korea?



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 09:48 AM
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Either you are very iggnorant, trying to pick a fight and trolling, or just plain stupid, or a poor attempt at sarcasm... not sure which.

As stated, the very fact that you can debate this issue at all is proof that you live in a free society vs. N Korea. Get up and go outside, go where you want, enjoy a movie that totally agrees or disagrees with your view points, go fly a flag that represents your political or religious views... go to a church, a mosque, a synagogue, a temple, a cathederal.... and compare notes, buy a half dozen newspapers with differing view points....LIVE FREE.

Point is, you can in America... not so in N Korea.



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 09:54 AM
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OP:

Read this book.

I suggest this because you don't seem to have very much of a grasp of North Korea, based on your post.

Comparisons CAN be drawn between the USA and NK, but they're largely irrelevant. Apples and oranges are, after all, both round, both fruit, and both available in juice form. Interesting, but hardly insightful.



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 09:55 AM
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Try visiting N.Korea and you'll have your mobile phone confiscated on entry, and you won't be allowed to leave your hotel except at specific times and travel to specific locations. You won't be allowed to talk to anyone except those designated to feed you propaganda.

That's if they allow you in, most likely would send you back or arrest you.

Iran is different you could visit there as long as you don't talk to opposition protestors or join protests and spend lots of money you'd be welcome. But for Iranian dissidents or those with Iranian family can be arrested at the airport just for daring to protest outside one of their embassies.



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 09:57 AM
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Let me think about the difference between North Korea and the United States of America:
1) In the US, if you critize your government, you are not reeducated like in North Korea.
2) There are programs and charities to help you out when you are down in the US, so people may not choose to starve to death, but in North Korea, well it is kind of questionable.
3) Military service in the US right now is all volunteer. I believe North Korea, it is mandatory.
4) In the US, you can travel anywhere in the country and choose to live in a state and city. In North Korea, you need travel documents.
5) If you sneak into the United States of America, and are caught, you get a slap on the wrist and sent back to your home country. In North Korea, you go to prison, hard labor.
6) I think the biggest difference is this: There are alot of people who want to come to the United States of America, not alot of people are trying to go to North Korea.
7) In the United States, you do have opportunity, may not be a lot, but it is there, in North Korea, what opportunities are there?
It is always easy to see the negative aspects about a country, how much do we forget the positive things that happen in a country.
And the US has gone further, and pushed the boundries of science and technology more than North Korea. We have sent men to the moon, and have visited other planets in our own part of the universe. What has North Korea done for the World lately?

[edit on 5-6-2010 by sdcigarpig]



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 09:59 AM
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the opportunity to work in a sweat shop.
what a terrible prospect.



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 10:01 AM
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North Korea Constitutional Law. Forget the preface, read the articles. Some here talk as if they know exactly what's going on inside North Korea. Been there I guess or perhaps just read what's written in the media and seen NK bashing on Fox News!


Originally posted by sdcigarpig
It is always easy to see the negative aspects about a country, how much do we forget the positive things that happen in a country.

EXACTLY the point! So are there are no positives in North Korea?

[edit on 5-6-2010 by OrionHunterX]



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by da elohim
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the opportunity to work in a sweat shop.
what a terrible prospect.

Ah, but that is the point, in the US, if you do not like your job, you can quite, or find a new job.



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by OrionHunterX
North Korea Constitutional Law. Forget the preface, read the articles. Some here talk as if they know exactly what's going on inside North Korea. Been there I guess or perhaps just read what's written in the media and seen NK bashing on Fox News!


Originally posted by sdcigarpig
It is always easy to see the negative aspects about a country, how much do we forget the positive things that happen in a country.

EXACTLY the point! So are there are no positives in North Korea?

[edit on 5-6-2010 by OrionHunterX]

I do not bash NK, based off of the negative News posts that I have seen, or make blanket statements just solely on rumors. I did however, watch about the last news crew who were permitted into North Korea, and payed very close attention to what was stated. The news team was permitted to come in along with some doctors to render assistence to the general population, some of the stuff that they were taking care of, were simple proceedures, that they would do every day in the US, but the number of people seeking such was incrediable, telling me that the number of people suffering was just a portion of what all was there.
You asked what the difference between North Korea and the USA, and so I pointed out what some of those differences were.



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 10:42 AM
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Originally posted by OrionHunterX
Some here will think I’ve lost my marbles! How can one compare North Korea with this oldest and ‘greatest’ democracy that is America?


No, not lost your marbles just a total loss of a grasp on reality and historical facts.


Ok, let’s see whether Americans have the right to keep bashing North Korea (or Iran for that matter). That evil empire which has no democracy, is ruled by a tyrant and one of the largest militaries in the world having their fingers on the nuclear trigger threatening South Korea, Japan and all of America’s assets within range.



North Korea is not an Empire. It's a two bit country ran by a two bit pint sized mental midget with delusions of grandeur.


America too is a society dominated by militarism. Perhaps this is something that started with the defeat in Vietnam, when the US military decided to switch from an unpopular conscription to an all volunteer force ‘imbibed with the warrior ethos’. Perhaps it’s always been in the America’s DNA, considering its history of violence in subjugating the land, natives, European competitors and finally the world.


For those Non Americans who agree with the OP, Ask yourself this, Have you ever been to the US? Have you ever lived here and walked and talked with the populous? OR are you simply going to judge over 305 Million people based on a few movies and video games you've seen? There is a lot more here than meets the eye. Especially if you judge an entire nation on Movies and video games.



Popular culture in America is all about war. The most popular film of this summer – Iron Man 2 which is all about fetishism of military hardware. And then, we have Call of Duty: Black Ops, the most anticipated video game which is another frighteningly realistic immersion into war and counter-insurgency. Since we can’t recruit 12-year olds to fight wars, we start indoctrinating them through gaming from even earlier!



Nevermind, I can see that you HAVE obviously judged an entire nation on POP culture entertainment. Sad really.


It isn’t a secret that our supreme political status in the world rests on militarism. It’s there for all to see – Vietnam, Korea, the Middle East, Africa, Afghanistan, the Rose, Tulip and Orange revolutions in CIS Republics …. You name it. America has a finger in every pie.


It's very well known and not a secret that the US was and still is for the time being the largest economy on the planet and has had global interests and that as being the largest economy and a global leader that it is not only looking out for it's interests but those of other Allie nations and regions. Example The EU and many Asian countries as well.



The United States was the first country in the world to develop nuclear weapons, and is the only country to have used them in warfare, with the two bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. During the Cold War it conducted over a thousand nuclear tests and developed many long-range weapon delivery systems. It maintains an arsenal of 5,113 warheads and facilities for their construction and design. How does North Korea compare?


You are aware that there was a race going on during WWII to develop The Bomb right? What would have happened had NAZI Germany developed them first? Do you honestly think that London or Moscow would be standing today if they had? How about the Japanese after killing, murdering and raping millions of Chinese and Koreans with guns, bombs and bayonets what makes you think they wouldn't have also dropped the bomb?


So why do Americans see only North Korea as being a dangerous, evil, militaristic autocratic state with no democracy and human rights? But what’s so different? Is it American democracy? A democracy where millions are jobless, where the rich get richer, where the honest tax payer’s money is used to bail out billion dollar corporations and their CEOs, where private financial institutions and oil cartels control the economy, and where health care is still a pipe dream for the have-nots? Human rights? Less said the better. Remember Abu Ghraib? And that was just the tip of the iceberg.



LOL you are comparing a failed archaic communist state to a first world democracy in transition? Even with all the above stated issues the US has, I'd still rather be born here, Struggle through all the above mentioned, live and die here. Hands down. This is a non issue.



Both countries base their power on the military; both countries are run by elites; both countries have citizens who are completely ignorant of the outside world, living in their cloistered shells and both lack an unbiased genuine media and public discourse. In North Korea everyone has to listen to piped martial music and songs related to the dynasty. In America, everyone has to watch trashy TV owned by the PTBs who have an agenda of misinformation and propaganda, much of it spewed out by the government.


I dunno. I can play by my Governments rules or CHOOSE not to buy into it. SEE that's the difference simply because Our Governments Propaganda is being spewed out at the masses doesn't mean I as a US Citizen have to listen and believe it.

Try that in North Korea!




So I think we should rein ourselves in and stop bashing others like we are the paragons of virtue, a shining example of democracy and the epitome of human rights. Let’s get our house in order first before pronouncing judgment on others.

Let the bashing begin!!



Speak for yourself. I've never viewed the US in this manner. I have seen some screwed up leaders. I could name a few. But I wont this thread really demonstrates ignorance of and bias towards the US. Sad really, if only the world populous could live as an American for a year they wouldn't be so fearful or ignorant of the fact that we are just like the rest of the world.

We want to work, pay our bills and spend time with our family. Sure you can pull old cold-war skeletons out of the closet and try to bash the US over the head with them [Vietnam - Korean War] but that's simply taking those situations out of context. Cheaply done and in bad from. No Bashing, just exposure to the entire ATS community of your ignorance and lack of historical facts.

That is all.
Carry on.


Peace
Slay

[edit on 5-6-2010 by SLAYER69]



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