115 Million jobs created

115 Million jobs were created between the end of WWI (1921) and 2010, while only 9.8 Million jobs have been lost since 1921.

en.wikipedia.org...

Do you believe this is an accurate representation of reality in the US today?


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So it only took the government 2 years to wipe out almost 10% of the Jobs created from world war 2... sounds about right to me.

reply to post by Target Earth

I mean WWI
second line

This sounds like a LOT of jobs and it is but ---- I would like to see a comparison of jobs created to populationa or at least the part of the total population in the job force.

Originally posted by Target Earth

So it only took the government 2 years to wipe out almost 10% of the Jobs created from world war 1

What I would like to know is where did the 9.8 Million lost jobs go?

Did all 9.8 Million go to China and India?

They have over 2 Billion people combined.

How are they gonna feed thier populations if we only exported 9.8 Million jobs?

Surley we've sent more than that.

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I can believe that. The U.S.A. embarked upon an impressive growth spurt.

It's died out, though.

I'm sure other countries, at least some of them, achieved great levels of employment as their economies grew, along with populations, innovation, industrial achievements and technological advancements.

So what's holding us back now?

I read in the Weekly Reader I received from time to time when I was in elementary school that by now, hardly anyone would have to work. Robotic contraptions would do most of the work and we would all live a life of leisure.

Well, I guess a good many of us have the leisure now. But this ain't the Jetsons and flying cars that can't crash into each other as we travel to our nonjobs ain't the norm.

I love real science fiction, by fiction writers. The stuff that scientists write just doesn't happen, like they claim.

Gimme an H.G. Welles, a George Orwell, or a Jules Verne. They have a tendancy to be closer on target. I added George Orwell because that writer was dead on things, however, his stories moved much faster than reality, but he was better than the scientific writers of Weekly Reader. I guess George Orwell was more of a socialfiction writer. Of course he had help. That stuff was a reality when he expanded it in his writings.

Meanwhile, a great scifi writer is also a socialfiction writer, as well.

all this tells me is we have had two idiot presidents, bush and obama. or should i say hoover and carter, but at least in their time we had a fourty or so year gap, not back to back. what fools, all the other presidents have been able to negotiate the economic minefield, if the stimulus was used properly it could have been effective, but ti was wasteful and added to the deficit.

Originally posted by kyred

The U.S.A. embarked upon an impressive growth spurt.

I'm sure other countries, at least some of them, achieved great levels of employment as their economies grew.

It's died out, though.

So what's holding us back now?

Lack of spiritual faith

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Originally posted by AidanK

I would like to see a comparison of jobs created to populationa or at least the part of the total population in the job force.

I guess the first thing we should really understand is history.

The Elizabethan Poor Law of 1601, one of the world's first government-sponsored welfare programs, made a clear distinction between those who were unable to work and those able-bodied people who refused employment.

en.wikipedia.org...

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I agree. Lack of spiritual faith. To me that is the downfall.. The lack of spiritual faith.

This country has lost it's path. And most of the rest of the world, too.

There's too much division created by hatred of religions. I can't blame those that put religion aside. I have, too. But the spiritual aspect of it all, the oneness with all, the kindness and understanding is fading. And the blindness of the religious to others, and the blindness of those without religion, too. It all becomes about the "Me".

And when people let loose of their spririts, well, darkness results.

Originally posted by Freedom or Death

Lack of spiritual faith

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More like increasing globalization and socialism.

Another line.

Originally posted by wutone

Originally posted by kyred

So what's holding us back now?

Originally posted by Freedom or Death

Lack of spiritual faith

More like increasing globalization and socialism.

I would say both answers are correct.

Increased regulation, taxation and legal acquiescence is also an issue.


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reply to post by Freedom or Death


That makes no sense..

You cannot calculate total lost with total gained.. you simply subtract the total lost from total gained, if it's positive its total created, negative, total lost.



From 1921 to 2010 we doubled the workforce by expecting woman to work full time jobs, doubling both income and the number of employees in the workforce.. on top of that we had the expanding population, the birth death model determines the total amount of jobs lost and gained by the rise and fall of population..

It would be virtually impossible to have negative job growth over such a vast period of time.. even if we were a dirt poor 3rd world country, it would be nearly impossible..

So I fail to see your point.

Originally posted by Rockpuck

You cannot calculate total lost with total gained..

It would be virtually impossible to have negative job growth over such a vast period of time..

Negative job growth has only happened twice since 1921 the first time was during the great depression and today.

The rest of the time there was positive job growth

I don't understand your dispute Rock?

Don't you see negative job growth going on right now?

reply to post by Freedom or Death


Job losses occure in every recession .. it's sort of the highlight of a recession .. the last time before this was 2000-2004 we had net job losses.. and before that in 1991, and before that in the mid 80's, and before that the early 80's and before that the 70's ... it's normal for economies.

I just fail to see the argument you're trying to make is all.

115 million number is not surprising.
Keep in mind that in 1947 India and Pakistan were independent and they considerably expanded their civil service(bureaucracy) and military.

Also after 1950 China did the same thing.

all this lead to huge demand for good that were not being made in those countries so they ended up importing (except China) a lot of stuff from the western countries notably America.

so I am really not surprised by that number.

Originally posted by lordvader

Keep in mind that in 1947 India and Pakistan were independent and they considerably expanded their civil service(bureaucracy) and military.

Also after 1950 China did the same thing.

all this lead to huge demand for good that were not being made in those countries so they ended up importing (except China) a lot of stuff from the western countries notably America.

Perhaps Iraq and Afghanistan will be importing vast amounts of American made goods leading to job creation in America?

This will likely lead to American made goods and culture being smuggled into Iran. So we will topple Iran by smuggling Britney Spears CD's and Barbie Dolls into thier culture.

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re: Population growth...

According to the 1920 US Census, the population was of the US was 106 Million people. Today it's in excess of 300 Million people.

Originally posted by theWCH
re: Population growth...

According to the 1920 US Census, the population was of the US was 106 Million people. Today it's in excess of 300 Million people.

The labor force participation rate has been higher for the last 40 years compared to the previous 50 years as well. Higher population plus a higher percentage of people working. While this graph doesn't go back all the way, the increase basically begins in the 70's and I imagine a good part of that is more women working full time, partly because of social change, partly as you saw more and more single mothers or two job families. (At least from my perspective.)

www.clevelandfed.org...

While you're talking percentage points, 6%-7% per 1,000,000 workers is a difference of 60,000-70,000. Multiply that by 300 and you've got 18,000,000-21,000,000 workers just from higher participation in the job force.

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And in 1920 it was uncommon for women to work.. the work force was half of the typical percentage of any other generation after the fact. I'd hazard a guess that in 1920 the workforce was 20-30 million. Whereas if women were in the work force it would have been maybe 30-55million. Just a complete guess of course, but adding women to the workforce added a huge amount of people to the workforce.