Israel refuses to commit suicide

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Semper, you guys must have your hands full these days eh?

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I would agree but that would be off topic\

Joking Semper

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Yep, we did have a revolution, basicaly because we were starved...
Palestininas in Gaza would do the same with Hamas...but they are FAR FAR
away from what i call starvation (the figures shows clearly they do not
starve).

That is WHY the Hamas want this to continue.They prefer NO peace, they
prefer the blockade (otherwise bye bye humanitarian aid, they will have
to work for the meal).

If you add the quota per year in former Romania of 1985 ,you will see a
total of 260.18 kilos of goods (vegetable oil, sugar, fruits, potatoes, flour, etc) per person per year and 114 eggs per person per year.
Divide this by 12 and you will see a quota of 21.68 kilos of good per
person per month and 9.5 eggs.Divide this by 4 (weeks in a month) and
you will see a grand figure of 5.42 kilos of good and 2.375 eggs per
person per week.

Now, 15,000 tons of goods per week divided to 1,4 million Gaza inhabitants
show a figure of 10.71 kilos of goods.
Which is double than what romanians endured from 1985 to 1989, when we
finaly rised up against Ceausescu.

I am asuming that :
A) Gaza are feed twice as good, or
B) There is starvation in Gaza because their leaders (Hamas) does not
deliver all the food they receive.
BUT most of the food, if not all, is delivered by UN.

So, what conclusions i can draw ? Are they starving because the food does
not reach the poor palestinians? Or there is no fk starvation in Gaza
because they have DOUBLE of what romanians had, and still took us 4
years to endure this while WORKING, not idling and wait for trucks to unload the food?

Most of us now consider that 5 kilos, or 10 kilos or 50 kilos of w/e per
week is not enough...but with double goods in Gaza compared to comunist
Romania i can hardly call this starvation.

Its either they starve because the goods not reach the palestininas, or there is no hunger at all.Not saying is not bad, compared to how a medium
new-yorker lives...but its damn sure its heaven in Gaza (food related) with
what is in NK or Somalia.

And if the palestinians have to revolt against someone because they are
starving, they better do it against Hamas, not Israel.

It is pretty easy to point fingers at either party in the age-old palestinian / Israel debate.

Just play it out in your own head and try to be objective. Lets say the U.N. decided that a huge chunk of your country will now be forfeited to a minority group without that countries say-so. So they move in but then decide to build walls and start occupying space that was not initially part of the deal.

All the sudden you are going to the grocery store down the street but it is blockaded. Bulldozers are tearing down your neighborhood and armed soldiers are threatening anyone from trying to stop them. Over the years it gets worse and thousands are turned homeless and poverty is running rampant.

A group forms that has had enough and pledges to stop this inhumanity before it destroys their people. Of course the people will want that kind of protection. Someone willing to fight the "man". So they responds with "terror" attacks because they would be retarded to go up against this invading nation which in turn is supplied by the worlds largest military.

Now every time this rich nation is Retaliated against for their transgression against these poor people who are fighting for their right to live it is spun to be "anti-semite" and undeserved for this peace loving occupier. After all they only plow schools , bomb commercial districts, and treat their neighbors like a roach infestation. Surely, these people should not be able to defend themselves from this great humanitarian nation of Israel.

Israel on the other hand has good reason to be afraid. Every nation surrounding them has wanted their nation to wither. They should be on the lookout, but taking over territories forcefully and with impunity is not helping their cause. It is only making it worse for them. Just like policing the Middle East is doing for American popularity there. They will only end up hating us more.

Long story short. You can call Hamas a "terrorist" organization just as well as you can call Israel one. Just because one doesn't worship "Allah" and condones jihad doesn't make its actions any less of a form of terror. Terrorism isn't bound by religion or by race. It is by hatred, actions, and intent.

Why can we do air raids on a country and it not be terrorism? Because our weapons are more advanced? Well shame on the others for not having the billions we spend as a "civilized" society to blows us up with.

As I think about it more and more it is hard not to condone any act of war between two countries with such a spread in power as not being terrorism.
Whether it be rickets or tank , air raids to IEDs in truth they are terrorizing each other and convincing us they both have good intentions.

reply to post by Sheol

Successful drug dealers treat the hood where they operate the same way. They even throw parties and buy gifts to the poor people where they operate. Does that make them good people in your eyes? Is this some sort of zero-sum game where as long as you make a good deed it cancels out the wrong?

[edit on 5-6-2010 by xLogic]

These fools commited suicide along time ago.
As soon as they decided they would return to the home land, their demise was set.
Though they are not doing it quick and ruthlessly.
They are doing it kind of like smoking.
They continually go in, kill people, destroy houses.
It feels good initially but they arent seeing the internal effects nor the long term? ( or maybe thats what they are aiming for).
One day a cancer will grow with in Israel, as we know and even the bible tells us.
Humans are corrupt.
WTF

[edit on 5-6-2010 by tribaltrip]Hmmm? WELL YEAH THEY FIRED ROCKETS AT US!...Do you honestly blame these guys? You wouldnt?

[edit on 5-6-2010 by tribaltrip]

Do none of you understand that Israel was recreated, financed for all these yrs and armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons for one purpose.

That now Israel is systematicaly being de-legitemised, her means of defence being systematicaly stripped and her ememies strengthened and armed for the same puprose.

Israel has been set up so that she will be forced to use her Sampson option against the entire Muslim M.E.

(all roads lead to Rome)

Originally posted by jakemil
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lol my ilk, euros are all the same. hey by the way how are things over there these days?

You sir are an embarrassment to any free thinking American.

We do not all punctuate like that and we do not all have a total disregard for the language we share with the UK. The people I am friends with are kind of stuck here though with a disproportionate amount of this type of American.

It seems they are growing at an exponential rate lately like some kind of virus!