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Disturbing Job Ads: 'The Unemployed Will Not Be Considered'

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posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 09:34 AM
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As I said, I have been reading post on here for fun for years i never felt compelled to write before because I mostly considered it a waste of time. I mostly read to see other peoples opinions and really don't care if anyone knows mine and certainly don't give a hoot to make myself seam like more than I am to a group of people who I will never meet and who will never know me etc. etc. .

I was in a mood to contribute when I read this post about something I know well so I gave an opposing perspective from an employer, then some yahoo replyed and said he could lie his way to a job, as I said not any good job etc. and gave some basis for my claim(ie my position).

I never said anything about big houses or BMW's or superficial attitude those are your own deep seated issues being projected onto others.

In reality although I do very well for myself and am proud of that fact after years of study and work the most important thing it offers is security and comfort and I could careless about the superficial aspect.

So getting back to the main discussion, gaps in employement are a key indicator of a problem with the candidate. I have every right in the world to use every indicator I can to figure out if I will waste six months of the companies time hiring this person. An experienced interviewer sees right thru pitiful lies and will immediately disqulify a candidate for it. Lieing is the absolute no exceptions disqulifiier.

Some people lie to themselves also this is sometimes acceptable, the common example is "living to far away" typically the person really wants the job they tell you no problem driving an hour and a half each way. In my extensive experience with this 50% of those people will be complaining in a year about the drive. My follow up question is always are you prepared to move if you get this job if they say no it is almost always a DQ.

Further, and you can all throw stones at me as I said you don't know me and never will but some of you need a dose of reality. The law can say whatever it want about descrimination but you can not enter my mind and prove anything.

I have one goal in mind when I am interviewing, will this candidate be a good LONG TERM worker capable of doing what we need done. I don't give a darn about anything else, to that end I can usually use the candidate ethnic,age marital status etc. to help make that call and I do. It's funny ten plus years ago I was in charge of a division which had a branch in singapore, I needed a new manager and contacted an agency they have no EEOC laws and where completely open about facts that everyone knows, it was refreshing. They asked if I wanted a Chinese worker because they tended to be very hard workers but not very loyal or if I wanted a expat they tended to be not as hard working and wanted more money but communicated better, etc.




posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 09:36 AM
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Employment = PAID TO WORK. Anything else would automaticaly define you as unsuitable for the jobs refered to in this article and the thread which spawned from it.
So what you said, while accurate , would still not affect people who want that job.


Actually, even though unpaid, MANY employers would still consider volunteer work "employment", especially if it's in their chosen field.

I'm a recruiter, and I would.



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 09:36 AM
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Employment = PAID TO WORK. Anything else would automaticaly define you as unsuitable for the jobs refered to in this article and the thread which spawned from it.
So what you said, while accurate , would still not affect people who want that job.


Actually, even though unpaid, MANY employers would still consider volunteer work "employment", especially if it's in their chosen field.

I'm a recruiter, and I would.



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 10:07 AM
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What about those who raised a family and have not worked, so closed minded that's why I if I ever become HR for any company, the only applicants I will consider will be female mothers wiith LONG gaps between their working because they were raising their families' children!!! Everyone else will go into the garbage bin along with your attitude!!!!



Let me go into more detail on this I worked all the time off and on, My eldest child, my son has ADHD and I couldn't keep a decent sitter cause he'd drive them nuts, family watched them until they moved out of state, leaving me bouncing them around from sitter to sitter who would quit cause they could not handle him, the girls were fine, but he was off the wall and meds made it worse. No Job would only give me hours during schooltime only, therefore I had to work off the books when money was needed for anything that I could find. Then in 2006 that same son had two seizures, one at the school then one at the doorstep of the ER when we took him to the ER after picking him up from school, he was diagnosed with Epilepsy, the job I was working at, whom I might add had more illegal workers than legal ones, expected me to work past five just a week after my son's diagnoses and with the people around here you cannot expect them to care for an ADHD child with epilepsy, I wouldn't trust them with my dog...and the reason that we had to work past five to begin with is these women illegals were in the homeowner's kitchen sitting on their fat A*** and eating while I finished four rooms of the house and they did nothing, I quit, who wouldn't my family comes first!!!! Now it's been years and my son is number 1) 16 and number 2) hasn't had another episode praise the LORD but according to your logic, I am lazy and out of practice? It isn't frikking brain surgery bagging and scanning items or cleaning homes, you're an idiot!!!!!


[edit on 5-6-2010 by ldyserenity]



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 10:42 AM
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Yes, this is completely outrageous and unsatisfactory behavior that these companies pose. This should be made illegal and such companies should be red labelled. I will not be surprised for a lack of public interest in such companies.



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 10:47 AM
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With all do respect, your post goes by the book of all common sense rules in human resources.



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 10:50 AM
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I feel and understand your pain, you see the world cares so little about people like your self. In spite of the hypocrisy, to them such families are the minority. Very disappointing, but be no afraid, such companies are normally curbed away by the true power of moral in people.



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 10:58 AM
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I sat an interview for a job based in tax account management.. I had all the qualifications except the appropriate degree, but because I was unemployed they said they "take that into consideration" .. I didn't really catch on till later that night .. I figure the way they look at it, if the company had to let people go, why'd they let you go? Of course at that time I had left my last job to move across the country.. but what can you do .. every once in a while you have to deal with an asshat and put a smile on your face while they treat you like scum.

I usually steal their pens. What a rebel I am.



But on the other side my last job the guy only hired unemployed people .. granted, he did this so he didn't have to give benefits or pay well .. because all his employees desperately needed a job. But again .. smile and deal with the asshats.



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 10:59 AM
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I always tell people that if you are inbetween jobs it is very important to do volunteer work or take college classes. It shows you are proactive. Not to mention, sometimes volunteering helps you network, meet people, and help you find a job. Same with college classes.



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 11:03 AM
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It's a no-win situation out there. I got hired at a company right out of business school. Worked my way from a clerk to an executive secretary in 2 years. Stayed at the company, with the same executive, for over 20 years. Our department was project based and due to profits falling, our department was eliminated.

I can type 80wpm, I can work on Mac and PC, I'm expert level in all MS Office software and know a wide variety of other programs, and during my time at the company, I've worked on mergers & acquisitions, quality training, strategic development, website design, marketing projects, international travel arrangements and visas, event planning, and was the support person for all the overseas offices (including HR work and payroll), all in addition to all the day to day tasks of supporting a department-phones, files, correspondence, etc. And I was available 24/7 for those 20 years, so working at home at odd hours is nothing new for me and something I'd still be willing to do.

It was a dream job and I loved it. So, you'd think with everything I have experience in, it wouldn't be hard for me to find a job? I was out of work a year, have been on 15 interviews (out of 158 resumes sent) and JUST started working part time as a receptionist.

I was (and am) signed up with 4 recruiters - all of whom have told me that I have flawless interviewing skills. So...what's the problem? Well...my age. I'm going to be 43. My long-term job (says to an employer that I might not be flexible). No one wants to hire me for a low-paying clerical job - they're afraid I'd leave when a better opportunity comes along (huh???? would I be applying for a job like that if there was anything better out there??). Fortunately, the company I'm with now was willing to take a chance on me. I told them straight out during my interview that I would love to work there and wasn't going to leave....there's nowhere to go! I figured I had nothing to lose by being completely honest.

Yeah, it's crappy. And pays peanuts. Especially compared to my previous salary. But it keeps me in the workforce and my skills up to date. But it's still a shock that with everything I've done, this is the best I could do.

To those still looking...hang in there.



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 11:03 AM
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That's okay, I just think I'll start my own business in IT and I will:
one.) Hire only mothers/fathers whom have taken off work to raise children, can't leave out single fathers, you know.
two) Only the unemployed as those will be the ones who are most loyal and hard working to keep their job because those people choosing to search for work elsewhere while employed are untrustworthy in my opinion, they will do the same to the next company that hires them.
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three) Everyone else's wil get tossed in the trash bin period.

Oh and I'll have no sympathy for ex-corporate a wipes, look to another corporation, my small business will not hire you because
1.) you'll be high maintenance.
2.) you'll want too much money
and
3.) You'll be considered untrustworthy!!!!!!



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 11:04 AM
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Speaking of shady job hiring practises, I was reading an article about one employer who when interviewing, sends his secretary out to check the applicatns car. If the car is disorderly or messy, he doesn't hire them.

Which is really stupid. I am a mother, my car gets messy. But I am extremely organized at work.



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
Speaking of shady job hiring practises, I was reading an article about one employer who when interviewing, sends his secretary out to check the applicatns car. If the car is disorderly or messy, he doesn't hire them.

Which is really stupid. I am a mother, my car gets messy. But I am extremely organized at work.


Wow I wonder what they would've thought about my beat up POS mitsubishi it was two tone primer color and looked like a Gangster car...lol.
I could only afford it cause it ran like a champ and I paid $410 for it, but it was clean inside...so I wonder if the outside would've got me eliminated? If you have a cherry car to me that implies you really don't need the job that much.
Incidentally I did get hired for one job that I quit the same day, it was door to door sales over 8 hrs a day and fully commissioned based, no thanks, just in Florida alone, I as a female would never ever do this maybe in LANCASTER Pa, but not here, because you could go into a house here and never ever be seen again. (I say Lancaster pa is ok, because the Amish don't normally kill and rape women.) Just do a search on how many sex offenders live in florida, you'd never do door to door sales as a female here, when you read that.



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 11:20 AM
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Yes I know it goes by the book and there is a reason, companies are not in the world to create jobs they are here to create wealth for there share holders.



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 11:21 AM
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It's all in the way you spin it, brother. I'm a project coordinator for an energy product company. While I don't make an insane amount of money, I get to travel, make enough to live comfortably, and still manage to save a bit. I have had crappy jobs, most were earlier in life, from convenience store to restaurant. The self-employed gambit works just fine as long as you're not an idiot about it. When suits decide to make their decisions, they can do anything they want to in the hiring process, but you can play their game as well. My biggest issue is with the "Must have experience". If you're starting a new career, it's sometimes hard to find an entry level position without a degree. The "Self Employed" thing will give you an area to write such experience if you can word it properly and back it up.

Judging by your hateful tone and obvious irritation with my post I can safely assume that either 1. You're in the staffing/employment field, 2. You've tried it and it didn't work, or 3. You've been shafted for a job for someone who's used this method that couldn't back themselves up. If the last case, I'm sorry, because passing over a qualified candidate for someone who is good at playing the games of employment is kinda sad.

If there are companies that won't hire you due to employment lapses, so be it. Play their game. Slam it if you want, but I play it and have done fairly well for myself. I'm not the only one. Saying one thing in a post is quite different from seeing the results with my own eyes. The DJ bit on the self-employment section of my resume is actually where I got my start. Entertainment coordinator. Which got me a job at GE as an expediter. Which eventually led to project manager. Now, I get to work with fluffy suits with engineering degrees.

If you're going to use Self Employed during times of unemployment, at least be intelligent about it. A DJ is a coordinator if they work multiple venues. They can also be audio specialist, systems integration specialists, compliance, marketing, sales, advertising, they all fall into the job. I probably wouldn't have used such a tactic to get a job as a programmer.



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by mbayacht
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Yes I know it goes by the book and there is a reason, companies are not in the world to create jobs they are here to create wealth for there share holders.


You are wrong, totally wrong, and I frankly your world has a dull point of view.

The wealth creates jobs and at the same time it satisfies the shareholders, provided the company has their shares opened to public. You see, you missed the small business companies, the majorities businesses cluttered with middle class people. Also, It is a natural parallel reaction for wealth and job creation. For example, look at the wealth that Microsoft and Google has created, at the same time have you considered the amount of jobs which that has contributed to?

Get your facts straight and you will be far more appreciated on these forums.

[edit on 6/5/2010 by krystalice]



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 11:32 AM
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wow...doesnt suprise me at all ....i grew up in this one horse town oddly enough...texas instruments/ benchmark is the company in this crappy houston suburb. My ex brother in law works there for a woping 8 bucks an hour...lol this just affirms why i let that damn place and never looked back!!



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 11:41 AM
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I have no hate for you, a little sorrow that you have to lie because of the inadequecies of your record. Unfortunately You don't get it and I don't care if you ever do( I can tell you that if you ever progress to the point of being an officer in the company an extensive background check would rut out your lies and propably preclude you from advancement).

But let me spell it out for the others, NO intelligent person believes any of that BS! "Audio Coordinator" stuff the only one your fooling is yourself. If you did get hired for the record they where willing to look past your lie because the job was bad enough and they needed someone bad enough that all the other candidates where worse.

By the way none of your estimates are correct. I am not in HR but do interface with them often, I have never not worked in succesively higher paying and higher responsibility position since leaving grad school 25 years ago. I know several people that have worked for GE and all I can say is sorry, I know how bad a company it is to work for.



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 11:46 AM
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I have known this for a while. Not that companies would blatantly tell job searchers that if they are unemployed the said company will not consider you, but that a gap in employment looks very bad. I think it is because they do feel that you are either lazy, have bad work ethic or since you have been unemployed for so long that maybe their is something wrong with you, maybe a disorder of something. The last reason I can think of is that someone who has been out of work for more than six months now might struggle to keep up with a type of pace that the company expects of you.

These are my reasons in the above paragraph. Also I have Social Anxiety, so in interviews I twitch. Would you higher someone who twitches and has trouble speaking in busy environments? I don't blame them. I just started alternative medication because I haven't been able to get medical insurance in the past, so hopefully things will turn around. I have been unemployed for over a year, but am about to use the G.I. Bill to go back to school. It won't be a lot, but it's paid schooling and housing. Even though I am much older than most college kids it's never too late, especially if you know that no one is paying attention to your resume because I have been out of work for so long. If can't join them, I will get an education and beat them.



posted on Jun, 5 2010 @ 11:47 AM
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Wow your not very bright, wealth is the primary goal jobs are secondary. You might as well say building parking lots is the goal since it goes hand in hand with hiring more people.


WEALTH IS THE GOAL!, THE REST IS A CONSEQUENCE!

This why all you ever see on here is a bunch of whiners about the big bad companies, you don't understand they are doing what they are suppose to do, MAKE MONEY!



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