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The Dishonesty & Danger Inherent In The seeingUFOsPA Hoax

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posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 07:33 AM
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KIZZZY.....

That woman is truly a shocker.....

I'll have a look at that ATC forum.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not




posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 10:30 AM
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Insightful thread... and the BBC grab shows the story that's
really near to me. The town mentioned is where I abide!

Great thread.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
reply to post by KIZZZY
 


KIZZZY.....

That woman is truly a shocker.....

I'll have a look at that ATC forum.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not



I knew you might appreciate this little nugget.

The Air Traffic Control man just tells her that her videos are silly but the gall

of this woman. She doesn't come on the thread and say: "Hey, can ya help

me out? I don't know what this is." Noppers....she is gonna tell them all what

it is!



Oh, btw, thank you for fixing the pics!




posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by A boy in a dress
Insightful thread... and the BBC grab shows the story that's
really near to me. The town mentioned is where I abide!

Great thread.


A boy in a dress.....

Thank you!


We certainly have derived some tremendous information & discussion herein.

As per my post on the previous page.....

The question now is, what to do with it all..... if anything?

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by KIZZZY

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
reply to post by KIZZZY
 

KIZZZY.....
That woman is truly a shocker.....
I'll have a look at that ATC forum.
Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

I knew you might appreciate this little nugget.
The Air Traffic Control man just tells her that her videos are silly but the gall of this woman. She doesn't come on the thread and say: "Hey, can ya help me out? I don't know what this is." Noppers....she is gonna tell them all what it is!

Oh, btw, thank you for fixing the pics!


KIZZZY.....

You are very welcome regarding the pic's! I U2U'd you regarding that little fix.


When I went to the ATC forum, I couldn't find Kruse's posts.

Can you help me there?

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 04:03 PM
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Originally posted by SSimon
Not everybody can claim they saw a ufo when it's not ! To me those are ufos ufo foes.
Let's say your taking a walk at night and you see a ufo that's not, can you tell it's a ufo ? no ! not yet.You have to assume first if its a ufo.If it behave like a ufo thats not, then its one.That not so hard to understand, yes?
If you see a ufo that's not and it lands on the ground next to you RUN ! Run your a55 off coz it's not just a ufo IT'S A UFO DAMMIT.


SSimon.....

Ummmm.....

Could you please run that by me again?

Many thanks
Maybe...maybe not



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 04:49 PM
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I heard that Allison Kruse was recently on the TV program intervention. I believe that the episode is on youtube called "seeingUFOsPA Alison Cruse intervention", apparently she has a thing for dust-off. Im posting on my mobile so i cant copy/paste right now.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by zaiger
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I heard that Allison Kruse was recently on the TV program intervention. I believe that the episode is on youtube called "seeingUFOsPA Alison Cruse intervention", apparently she has a thing for dust-off. Im posting on my mobile so i cant copy/paste right now.


Zaiger.....

OMG.....

I had no idea Allison was an..... "inhaler".

This explains everything!!



Thanks mate
Maybe...maybe not



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 05:12 PM
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check your u2u mail



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 05:39 PM
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I try to keep an open mind, and I'm usually open to all kinds of wild theories, but this is ridiculous.

IT continues to post videos of IT pointing lasers into airplanes, can't IT be reported to authorities? After all IT is silly enough to post evidence of crimes on the internets.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by IKnowKungFu
I try to keep an open mind, and I'm usually open to all kinds of wild theories, but this is ridiculous.

IT continues to post videos of IT pointing lasers into airplanes, can't IT be reported to authorities? After all IT is silly enough to post evidence of crimes on the internets.


IKnowKungFu.....



can't IT be reported to authorities?


"It" HAS been reported to authorities, as per the info in this thread.

However, she only received a "slap on the wrist" from the FAA.

You can see we are contemplating next proactive steps regarding Kruse.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 07:39 PM
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If the documentary and the Hoaxer is the same person then I would venture to say:

The whole Hoax was to get publicity for this "documentary". Her name isn't Falcon, but the concept is similar.

Think about it, all of the people you rallied against her hoaxes, have now watched the documentary...just sayin'

Expand on that, all of her "followers" would have seen the 'trailer' for the documentary..."A show with Allison, what's that?!?!"

My friends, you have all been had by marketing. (If the documentary Allison and the Hoaxer are the same)

[edit on 6/22/2010 by adigregorio]



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 08:24 PM
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Incorrect.

The goal of Jose adding Alison's video into his documentary is for the purpose of money. You see, Jose is seriously in debt and needs to pay the debts he has accrued by rehashing and old video and adding new clips to it ala Alison's footage.

Here is where I say you are incorrect. I will not contribute any money to Jose but I will see his video. How can I manage this you say? DOWNLOAD IT FROM ANDY BIT TORRENT SITE WHEN IT COMES AVAILABLE. This in essences will deny Jose any revenue from us and we get to trash his videos for free. I intend to download it and upload it to as many sites as possible. THIS IN THE LONG RUN WILL PISS JOSE OFF BIG TIME! I will also upload it to You tube for all to enjoy for free.....LOL!


THE HOAXER's FUNDS MUST BE CUT OFF AND HOW BETTER A WAY TO DO IT.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by SeeingUFOzPA
Incorrect...

I do not even begin to attempt to discount you, you have provided ample evidence (for me) to trust your position, and claims.

However, and I may have missed the links (big thread), how do we know "for sure" that this is indeed the case?

(Please, just asking, not calling you a liar. I have been following this thread for awhile, and find it quite awesome. Your posts having the best content, sorry everyone else!)

It just smells odd to me, this whole thing since I first saw her video on youtube, well before this thread. Still smells odd, and you guys are pointing out the stinks (superbly), but the current stink doesn't seem to fit the smell. (If that makes any sense, who knows?)

(stink=reason for hoaxing)

I just can't see this being just for "fame", it's too well done for that. The coppers leaving her alone for the laser show, because of water works...Much more, but I don't want to re-post the entire thread



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 11:32 PM
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Well I am sure at one point Alison believed in what she was filming but somewhere down the line reality seeped into her strange world and the hoax began to manifest itself. She had a huge following already and you-tube had already started to offer her money for her site hits. Eventually she saw a chance to make money off of this and thus the great illusion started. This has gone on for about a year and suddenly a man in a similar situation but with vaster resources enters the picture. Enter Jose Escamilla and his torrid past. Mind you, Jose was the inventor of the Rods hoax and after being debunked by Discovery channel he went into hiding and his small empire was ruined but his followers remained. Fast forward to today and we have a dwindling Hoaxter(Jose) with a chance to make more money off his old videos by attaching himself to the smaller but much newer hoaxer(Alison). It is a union of convenience but with the same goal. Think of it as a consolidation of Hoaxing franchises. They hope together they can help each other fill their pockets. Well folks it just is not going to happen.



NOT ON MY WATCH!



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 11:35 PM
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So the documentary about Alison being a "huffer" was made by Jose?

I must have missed that part, which is not a surprise.



posted on Jun, 22 2010 @ 11:58 PM
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Originally posted by SeeingUFOzPA

She had a huge following already and you-tube had already started to offer her money for her site hits.


Well, I didn't know you could make money off YouTube - that is really interesting and certainly something to keep in mind for future hoaxers reference.

Previously I had done a search on Alison using a Discussion Board search and I was wondering why she popped up on so many boards directing people to her site. I thought it was an attention thing but now it's all so clear.

Happily, if you do the same search nowadays, the first couple of pages are coming up in the negative/hoaxing tag.



posted on Jun, 23 2010 @ 03:29 AM
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Yes indeed, you can make money on You Tube videos. If you reach an

approximate hit of I think 20 -30K they will approach you. How do I know?

They approached me much to my complete surprise! Alas the 'Michio Kaku'

video on my channel was not of my own making, being a'viral' video,

I could lay no claim to it.

If it is entirely your own work, yes, you can accept their offer. It all involves

the "ads".

How much money I cannot say simply because I do not know.



posted on Jun, 23 2010 @ 03:50 AM
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Originally posted by KIZZZY


How much money I cannot say simply because I do not know.



Thanks Kizzzy, I was quite surprised to learn this today.

In my mind it doesn't matter if you make bucketloads or pocket change - if you're taking money off people by perpetuating a hoax (however you make it) it's a kind of fraud in my mind.

But that's just my humble opinion.



posted on Jun, 23 2010 @ 04:24 AM
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It is unfortunate that many people filming "lights" do not understand the

dynamics of their own camera. Artifacts including haloing, scatterings,

reflections, CCD overloads, over focus etc., atmospheric mirages, optical

illusions, depth perception and a host of other variables is just a thing not

considered by the people. The majority of UFO's on You Tube are either

hoaxes or camera artifacts. The people filming don't even bother to ask

questions.


Until this thread was made I had not known about Alison having anything to

do with Escamillia.

To me Escamillia is a parasite feeding off all of the videos already out there

trying to create some hocus pocus out of all the material he is gathering off

you tube. A scavenger on a treasure hunt! People can package s*** and

others will buy it, but it is still s*** under the wrappings!


What has been brought to the fore? If Mr. "Z's" debunking has been a part of

an inadvertent marketing, the only thing that will come to mind is HOAX.

Since Escamillia is now a known and a proven hoaxer and will incorporate

yet another hoaxer, what is that telling the audience?


To date no one has debunked Mr. Z! The ATC men say that Alison's videos

are indeed planes and choppers which only validates the Z-man.


Escamillia and Alison's name has become synonymous with the word HOAX.

Isn't that the bottom line?



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