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The Dishonesty & Danger Inherent In The seeingUFOsPA Hoax

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posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by sandwiches
Are you absolutely kidding me? The whole reason for ATS automatically moving seeingUFOsPA videos to the hoax bin is based on a TWO HOUR INVESTIGATION?


A two hour investigation from MUFON isn't acceptable....how long an investigation is acceptable then? 4 hours? 4 days??

Apparently a woman who films things from her hot tub has more credibility than an organization that has been around since 1969.

ya....ok.




posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by sandwiches
reply to post by Unknown Soldier

I will try to retain my composure. Sorry, my post was confusing. The alleged meteor is the UFO I was referring to. In any investigation you have due process. In this case, it involves analyzing footage and discovering corroborating statements and findings. A second meteor-UFO lends credibility to Alison's claims that something enters like this regularly. I'm just sayin'
. I'm not enabling or supporting or whatever else you've imagined, so back off.

Are there ways to predict meteors? How prevalent are they really in PA? Surely you have asked yourself these questions.

Remain vigilant.




NO a second meteor is not unlikely. Considering meteorites will follow in trajectory. YES meter showers are predictable. But predicting most meteorites is unlikely. Most fall random and if you set a camera out all night every night you should be able to get quite a few in the footage. Especially something as sensative a a IR cam.







Originally posted by sandwiches
reply to post by Unknown Soldier


The MUFON State Director of Pennsylvania did personally investigate on site the claims of this witness two months ago. After spending over two hours viewing what the witness claims is alien craft flying around her home, the MUFON State Director of Pennsylvania came to the conclusion that what she is filming is "MAN-MADE CONVENTIONAL AIRCRAFT." That is the conclusion presented in his final report and the case was CLOSED. It was AFTER the State Director visited the witness on site and gave her his conclusion that she then started calling them "FAKE AIRPLANES."


Are you absolutely kidding me? The whole reason for ATS automatically moving seeingUFOsPA videos to the hoax bin is based on a TWO HOUR INVESTIGATION? Alison has probably hundreds of hours of footage!

My my my, it does not look good for fair scientific process.


I'm disappointed in you ATS, I really am.


Almost 3 hours to be exact. They reviewed her footage as well. The reason ATS moved her subject to the hoax bin is because she is a hoaxer. Not just MUFON dissected her bogus sham but several other people. MUFON is good enough, they ARE the specialists that have been doing this for over 40 years. That trumps some delusional drunk in a hot tub that claims planes 'MORPH" lol. Alison has NO credibility and is a proven liar. MUFON is a highly respected organization consisting of scientists to pilots to prominent people from many professions

NOBODY gets hundreds of hours of "UFOs" and dayly. NEVER in UFOligy. Except for Billy Mier the most notorious hoaxer of them all. UFO's that are considered genuine are caught randomly.

You should be disappointed in yourself , go for a walk and take a cold shower

[edit on 9-6-2010 by Unknown Soldier]



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 11:37 PM
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reply to post by gavron

I don't even need to make this post for everyone to realize that a two hour investigation is insufficient and absolutely does not warrant rejecting countless hours of footage.

Way to deny ignorance.


You should be ashamed of yourselves for what you have done and allowed to be done to this woman with such little evidence.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 11:46 PM
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Almost 3 hours to be exact. They reviewed her footage as well.

Is this fact? Where do we read about them reviewing her footage? Do you understand Alison is a human being and you are being incredibly emotionally abusive?

[edit on 2010-6-9 by sandwiches]



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 11:49 PM
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I just cant understand why these crazy followers of Alsion Kruse keep threatening Appilachianhero. All the fella did was to dare post a video that showed beyond a shadow of a doubt that Alison Kruse was filming airplanes. Now the guy regrets posting the video. You see how far a crazy woman will go to keep her orb kingdom intact.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by sandwiches
reply to post by Unknown Soldier


Almost 3 hours to be exact. They reviewed her footage as well.

Is this fact? Where do we read about them reviewing her footage? Do you understand Alison is a human being and you are being incredibly emotionally abusive?

[edit on 2010-6-9 by sandwiches]


I posted the links and statements, if you paid attention to this thread you would know this. Need i say more?

Oh the Cop "Dan Page" Turns out he is a glorified security guard NOT a cop.
Im looking in to it here is his youtube channel
www.youtube.com...

he makes this statement

I am not, nor have I ever claimed to be a police officer although, I do work in law enforcement.

[edit on 9-6-2010 by Unknown Soldier]



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 11:54 PM
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reply to post by SeeingUFOzPA


I just cant understand why these crazy followers of Alsion Kruse keep threatening Appilachianhero. All the fella did was to dare post a video that showed beyond a shadow of a doubt that Alison Kruse was filming airplanes. Now the guy regrets posting the video. You see how far a crazy woman will go to keep her orb kingdom intact.

How is it that you proved Alison was involved in harassment? Or do you just go around making things up?

Where is the video? How did you prove what may have appeared as a plane wasn't holographic? I'm just sayin'. It's one theory!

Or do we not investigate fake planes? It's just too ridiculous, I guess...


Well, not for me. It's called being open-minded.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by sandwiches
reply to post by gavron

I don't even need to make this post for everyone to realize that a two hour investigation is insufficient and absolutely does not warrant rejecting countless hours of footage.


Please, sammich, answer the question. How long does it take a person that is standing there and seeing airplanes....to say that is enough, they are just planes? Obviously 2 hours is not enough time for you.....what is enough time? Weeks? months? Decades?


[edit on 9-6-2010 by gavron]



posted on Jun, 10 2010 @ 12:00 AM
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Originally posted by sandwiches reply to post by gavron I don't even need to make this post for everyone to realize that a two hour investigation is insufficient and absolutely does not warrant rejecting countless hours of footage.


Obviously 2 hours was enough for the MUFON investigator to peg Alison Kruse as a hoaxer. I pegged her in 10 minutes after seeing her video, Could it be that we are wrong?.....................YEAH RIGHT!

When it comes to Hoaxers she clearly does not have a gift for it. She keeps getting busted on a regular basis.

[edit on 10-6-2010 by SeeingUFOzPA]



posted on Jun, 10 2010 @ 12:04 AM
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reply to post by SeeingUFOzPA

This should be against T&C imo. What does this have to do with her videos?

reply to post by gavron

Alleged planes, fake planes or not, I'm still curious about the laser and meteors-UFOs, so my investigation will continue. I checked out your sig link, btw. It's a step in the right direction but far from damning. When the planes move sideways you don't see the headlight, unlike some of Alison's.

[edit on 2010-6-10 by sandwiches]



posted on Jun, 10 2010 @ 12:10 AM
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NEW LOWS FOR ALISON KRUSE

[edit on 10-6-2010 by SeeingUFOzPA]



posted on Jun, 10 2010 @ 12:11 AM
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reply to post by SeeingUFOzPA

Cool story, bro. Unsurprising for someone obviously devoted to slandering Alison considering their username, YouTube account, etc.

I wonder if you remain respectful and professional in your debunking videos?

Can you point me toward someone mature who has investigated Kruse and claims she's a hoax?

[edit on 2010-6-10 by sandwiches]



posted on Jun, 10 2010 @ 12:16 AM
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Originally posted by SeeingUFOzPA
I spy within her inner circle has informed me that Alison Kruse has been courting the young guy in most of her videos. I believe his name is Flightt30( not sure of spelling). Well it seems that her fiance found out that she was spending time with this young man and running around in the dark fields of Murrysville at all times of the night. Perhaps the middle aged woman fell in love under the stars while assisting this young man's gaze. What ever the cause Alison is rumored to have started a fling with a younger man and her fiance has moved out of the house as a result. Imagine being dumped for a 20 something year old high school drop out. Well a month back the police payed a visit to the Kruse home and her fiance was escorted from the home. Needless to say Alison does not have male companionship anymore, Even her young paramour has gone on to greener and more fertile pastures. Poor Allie is all alone now. Even her love life has turned into a cruel hoax.

This comes straight from a most reliable source.


@ sandwiches this is relevant this explains her character and WHY she is hoaxing


WOW

AS i suspected! I mentioned the reason she may be perpetuating this fantasy was due to an unhappy love life. Those psyche 101 classes in college must have paid off.


As i am a good judge of character the Hoaxers and Cultish type need a sense of family, a following becomes the family to fill in that void. I am assuming her ex BF that was escorted was the older man in that video that stated :it's just planes give up this crap! For some reason in her recent videos with the 20 year old boy she was flirty and giggly like a school girl. The thought did occur they were intimate but this comes to no surprise.

This video on Alison sums up ger current status
www.youtube.com...


[edit on 10-6-2010 by Unknown Soldier]



posted on Jun, 10 2010 @ 12:17 AM
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I guess what goes around comes around and Alison is paying for her hoaxer ways.



posted on Jun, 10 2010 @ 12:19 AM
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reply to post by SeeingUFOzPA

Nobody. Nobody obsesses like this over some random person on the internet. I know what you're trying to do and as you are now aware it has failed.



posted on Jun, 10 2010 @ 12:27 AM
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This is often the mindset of a person that has a mind that is not firmly based on terra. She is seeking to be part of something greater than herself but all the while she is just most likely making up for her lack luster home life. This delusions of grandeur is what compels others to sponsor her cause. She is like some mutated for of honey which attracts the other loonies on Youtube.

My great aunt always would tell me that "Crazy knows crazy and craziness loves company".

This is what we have here folks. It is the great circle jerk of demented minds which huddle together and seek some sort of acknowledgment from society.



posted on Jun, 10 2010 @ 12:29 AM
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Originally posted by sandwiches
reply to post by SeeingUFOzPA

Nobody. Nobody obsesses like this over some random person on the internet. I know what you're trying to do and as you are now aware it has failed.



First we were CIA disinfo ops, Then we were MUFON disinfo people , Then we were MIB's, then we were Psuedo Skeptics, now we are stalkers



WRONG! We simply investigate, talk to the neighbors and if they give us the juicy bits and a mental profile on Alison and that gives us a better idea why she is continuing hoaxing. Relevance as to why she would hoax it as evidence.And her modus operandi suits a hoaxer. As well as ALL her footage has been Debunked and proven dishonest. I warned her HOAXES will ruin you're reputation and it seems in a small town like Murrasville word travels fast. The peices of the puzzle have all fallen in to place. or as the saying also goes

Misery loves Company

or Kathy Bates Character in the film Misery loves company





[edit on 10-6-2010 by Unknown Soldier]



posted on Jun, 10 2010 @ 12:34 AM
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Originally posted by sandwiches
Where is the video? How did you prove what may have appeared as a plane wasn't holographic? I'm just sayin'. It's one theory!


It is not up to MUFON to prove it wasn't a holographic plan. If that is up to Ms. Alison to prove her claims. The burden of proof is on the claimant. It is elementary scientific philosophy.


Originally posted by sandwiches
Or do we not investigate fake planes? It's just too ridiculous, I guess...


MUFON did investigate. As did many members at this site, by way of her videos.


Originally posted by sandwiches
Well, not for me. It's called being open-minded.


No, it's not being called open-minded because you already have your mind made up. You first days on this board consisted of spamming threads about Ms. Alison's antics and going so far as to demand ATS silence those you do not agree with and accuse critics of being paid disinformation agents.

Open-mindedness is not accepting of a claim without thought. One can still doubt a claim and still be open-minded, just as one can accept a claim and still be closed-minded. Open-mindedness is a willingness to consider evidence and adjust your beliefs as necessary. Everyone approached Ms. Alison and her claims with an open-mind and found the evidence of her claims to be wanting.



posted on Jun, 10 2010 @ 12:35 AM
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What Alison and her cult fail to realize is that it is every person's civil duty to stand up and right a wrong when they know it is wrong. We on youtube have concluded that Alison's material is sorely lacking in genuine material and therefore is of hoaxer origin. It is our god given duty to stand up and contest this outrageous ideology. We must dare to question it and if need be DEBUNK IT!

We are not wrong for challenging the hoax....we are wrong if we allow it to become truth.

We need to rise and challenge her hoaxer material no matter where she posts it. We can not allow her to further erode the very foundation of Ufology. She has done enough damage.



posted on Jun, 10 2010 @ 12:36 AM
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Be part of the problem or be part of the solution. Even if it's all true, what good are you doing by attacking and compounding her problems? Do you feel superior? Do you get a rush bullying others? Perhaps you are in fact obsessed with the external world, ignorant of your own problems... Sorry to hear that, man... Spill. I'm listening.

I believe in striving to assist others and I am willing to take their observations and consider them fairly.

It is the only way to survive. Think about it. The choice is yours.



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