Fidel Castro claims US sank South Korean warship

This rates a solid 9 moos on the BS meter.

Firstly, a commando placed explosive could not cause that type of damage, that type of vertical slicing through a warships entire structure is the hallmark characteristic of a modern, under the hull, torpedo hit. So Fidel should have suggested a US submarine launched the weapon, it's much more believable.

Secondly, he had to suggest that Okinawa was the real reason because the US has been reducing the size of its forces in South Korea, so he hits the barely plausible theory button on that one - however bizarre it may be.

So, on one hand we have the scientific findings of a team of international experts, and on the other we have the ravings of a senile dictator, and some of you choose to believe the latter.

I think that says more about your prejudice than it does about his facts.

For your entertainment needs:

The objection to the notion is quite sound. The government of the United States can't really expect this to become a winning scenario for them. The people of this nation would NEVER descend into an action that would cost our allies and friend's lives.

But..., and you had to know this was coming ....

The transnational corporations which constitute the Military Industrial complex, in conjunction with the global monetary monopoly (yet another cartel) stand to gain greatly. War = Big bucks in any currency because it flows both from and to them with overhead each way.

So the motive need not be 'patriotic,' just capitalistic. But still....

As for the technical ability to 'simulate' a torpedo hit... I leave that to someone with a better grasp of underwater demolition and metallurgy.

End scenario....

If we argue about what we know, there's nothing to argue about.

Originally posted by Maxmars

If we argue about what we know, there's nothing to argue about.

We know it sank, we know that 47 sailors died, and we know a team of international experts said it was destroyed by a torpedo.

I'd say that's quite a lot.

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter

Originally posted by Erasurehead
reply to post by ElijahWan

 

Yes, I am familiar with false flag attacks. This was not one of them. The US has nothing to gain by getting involved with another armed conflict with North Korea. Our military is already stretched to the limit. The idea that America would do this just to keep a military base in Japan is laughable.

i think ur not familiar with false flag attacks

the reason there are us bases in japan is for the military take over of north korea, china and russia.

Japan is acting as an re supply,naval sector for the attack.

The reason there are US bases in Japan is because of WW2. Japan was defeated and a condition of the surrender was to have an American military presence on Japanese soil. If the Japanese US bases closed they still have several other military bases in the Pacific from the war days so the US wouldn't take much of a tactical hit. They could still launch operations in the area if they needed to.

It would be against American interests to even think about attacking China. The Chinese and American economies depend on each other and neither side would have any interest in ruining that relationship.

As far as North Korea, Little Kimmy isn't going anywhere unless China gives the green light to take him out. China is growing tired of his antics and they would benefit from a unified Korea so that there would be more capitalists to buy Chinese goods. So I would expect China at some point to take Kim Jong Ill out of power either by assisination or giving the go ahead for South Korea to attack the north with the US military support.

Originally posted by Retseh

Originally posted by Maxmars

If we argue about what we know, there's nothing to argue about.

We know it sank, we know that 47 sailors died, and we know a team of international experts said it was destroyed by a torpedo.

I'd say that's quite a lot.

Yes, those are the facts as we know them.

We also know that these two countries have engaged for decades in the practice of taunting one another by slipping in and out of each others territorial waters... by no means a risk-free activity. And one that has led to lost lives before.

What we don't know is whether that factors into this event or not.

Castro said this, yep it must be true then, lol. Give me a break!

Originally posted by theability
My two cents:

The USA gains nothing by sinking South Koreas' ships.

Nothing.

US bases in Japan.

And I have said this without reading the article. It is what a south korean expert said .

[edit on 4-6-2010 by ickylevel]

I don't doubt that North Korea is capable of performing this attack, they have regular run-ins at sea with South Korea. I also don't doubt that a full scale war with North Korea might be in the interest of the elite - that said it would not have to be the US that performed the attack. Obama has plenty to gain from anything that distracts the public, as does every politician.

The ship blew on a mine , anyway. The ship was not attacked by a submarine (it was in unprofound water), according to the same specialist (in ats news thread).

Hey Fidel, a lot of folks could use those 16 death pool points if ya know what I'm sayin'. *hint hint, nudge nudge*

Seriously though, it's fascinating how often extremist dictators can go from rambling, napoleonic blow hards with serious human rights issues to great and wise men in the eyes of some conspiracy theory followers by simply picking a incident and saying "The US did it." How many decades can a dictator rule a country before their claims of being a "revolutionary" against those in power is seen as being hypocritical nonsense at best, the human equivalent of priciple autoimmune disorder at worst?

He has no credibility aside from his opinion of the best smoking cigars.

Originally posted by TheOracle


I am glad someone has the guts to say out loud what many are thinking. Russia and China prefer to remain silent and not condemn anyone since there is no reliable evidence yet on who did this. But to me it is pretty obvious that the only ones who have gained anything from this are the Obama administration.

www.channelnewsasia.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

Your glad,,,lol

Fidel and little kim would suck eachothers toes,,, and fidel cant even wipe his own arse anymore...

Only thing Obama gained from this is another headache.

Thinking we want to keep the base in Japan so we sink the Korean ship is stupid.,,or we want to start a war with little Kim..

The US /SK have been putting up with nothing but BS from little Kim for years,,,and we/amongst other nations would love for a peace deal and things to become more peacefull over there and send in much needed aid as well,,its a hell hole there!!

If they opened up the borders in NK ,,,half the country would evacuate there from the tryanny they suffered from.

No,,the US did not do it.
Only thing that comes out of Fidels mouth is bad breath,,,maybe they should bury little kim and fidel together and but a statue there with the slogan"You will be missed",,or defenders of justice...
It quite possible a rouge captain took a pock shot at the ship without approval..
Its nothing new where shots have been fired at eachother between both side..

The US/SK DO NOT want war,,,!!!

It would be horrible!!

All we can do is watch and keep an eye on little kim.






[edit on 6-6-2010 by oldvet66]

reply to post by burdman30ott6


That is well said burdman!!

reply to post by oldvet66


Would I believe Castro? No way...

But he just quoted from the Russians. Its NOT his idea so why say it is.

Do the Russians have an angle to take the blame away from NK???

I do find it strange that both the SK and US were involved in war games and had many anti submarine ships in the area yet NEITHER spotted this NK sub or gave warning that a torpedo had been launched...

Doesn't say much for the so called US advanced electronics.

At this point, we can never be certain which country or organization was behind the sinking of SK warship.

The only fact we all witnessed was that the incident was an excuse to uphold/prolong presence of United States Marine base at southern island Okinawa.




[edit on 6 6 2010 by wisdomnotemotion]

reply to post by virgom129


I was regular army,,,but I do know shallow water subs are a real REAL pain in the ass to detect,,,even with the most advanced detection stytems that are in place,,,

In deep water/or out to sea is another story and do their job quite well...

So its not surprising and no shock to me,,

Sub warfare is like cat and mouse and throw in a possum,,,when one plays dead and shuts the lights off,,,

As for Naval exercises that were being conducted,,I personally dont buy we did it or actually had an accident and we happened to be useing NK type brand of a torpedo,,,

I dont think we are trying to save face and blame NK cause this was an accident on our part.

reply to post by oldvet66


Maybe they didnt detect the sub (strange) but an approaching torpedo????

SK didnt even think they were hit by a torp till the US said they were some 2 weeks later...

Kinda strange....

Originally posted by theability
My two cents:

The USA gains nothing by sinking South Koreas' ships.

Nothing.

Nothing?!! Wake up!! Now they have a reason to attack N.Korea, the same way 9/11 gave them a reason to attack Afgahnistan and Iraq, well Iraq had nothing to do with it, but they did that anyway.

reply to post by virgom129


hmmm,,,let me think,,,


maybe they wanted to get the facts straight b4 they started making accusations,,,

huh???

Maybe the person running the outboard that day wasnt quite up to par?
The weather wasnt the best either,,
Could be a number of things,,,...
They let their guard down for 1 minute maybe..


The naval exercises wernt a rocks throw away,,,they were about 75 miles,,,

I myself,, see no common scene evidence pointing towards we did it eitherway,,,





[edit on 6-6-2010 by oldvet66]

Originally posted by bicnarok

Originally posted by theability
My two cents:

The USA gains nothing by sinking South Koreas' ships.

Nothing.

Nothing?!! Wake up!! Now they have a reason to attack N.Korea, the same way 9/11 gave them a reason to attack Afgahnistan and Iraq, well Iraq had nothing to do with it, but they did that anyway.

And why dont you just go to bed clueless one,,,

[edit on 6-6-2010 by oldvet66]

I find most of the posts in this thread to be completely absurd, especially considering where they have been posted. Many of them boil down to one or more of the following statements:

1) America would never lie!

2) The American government loves its citizens and its allies' citizens too much to put them in harm's way!

3) Boy, Fidel sure is a crazy evil commie dictator!

Has everyone been struck stupid and forgotten that these are myths propagated by the US government? What has happened to you all, that you forget that the realpoliticians of the White House don't care about telling you the truth if the truth obstructs their goals? Why are you buying into this American exceptionalism nonsense and doublethinking this away? OF COURSE America stands to benefit from war in Korea. The American PUBLIC doesn't, of course, but when has the central government ever cared about that when there are more important things to gain through war? They blew up their own ship in the Gulf of Tonkin to start an unpopular war, is it so impossible that they would blow up someone else's ship to start another one?

No matter how bankrupt the state is, no matter how unwilling the public is, no matter how little the ignorant populace thinks there is to gain, the MILITARY is its own beast and it will not be stopped by recession or civil unrest or the naive idealism of historically-ignorant plebians. This has proved true all throughout history.

Oh, but of course it isn't true now! America is the good guy now, when they never have been before!