Who says you cant board a ship in international waters?
If you see a ship headed towards you, and its suspect to illegal contraband of course they're going to board it and conduct a search, why wouldnt
My best friend is in the U.S. Coast Guard, and he tells me about all the times he has been attacked while attempting to board ships. The ones that
have nothing to hide dont attack the people who are just doing their job, trying to protect innocent lives. If you are acting suspicious, then proceed
to attack the people who are checking you out, does that not scream GUILT?
My friend tells me everytime he has been attacked while doing these types of board and searches, it was always because the boat either had illegal
immigrants, drugs, weapons, or in some cases stolen goods. He has had guns pointed at his head, hes been stabbed in the side of the face, shot at
And you want to tell me that its his fault for boarding the ship?! Umm no.
It would be one thing if they were on international waters and headed towards Turkey, but they were heading straight for Israeli territory. Knowing
how people these days love to blow themselves up in the name of Allah why should anyone wait for them to get close enough where they could do serious
And dont try and say these guys were like pirates....a soldier and a pirate are very different things. If I'm on a ship in the middle of the ocean
and I see pirates coming up to the boat, hell yes I will shoot, fight, club, do whatever it takes to keep them off the boat. However, if I see
military helicopters or vessels approaching my boat, it would be suicide to start attacking them!
I have a feeling that all of these posters on here calling Israel "evil" and "terrorist" probably eat at this place:
Either way if the men on the aid ship were armed or not, why did they not take point and kill the IDF themselves? They allowed the chair swinging mob
to take point.
Shell casings from weapons not used by the IDF? If I planned a strike like that a false flag of sorts I would use the same weapons as the enemy.
So there are conflicting stories of he said she said, therefore we must look at the facts.
The only fact we need is the Israelis committed an act of piracy on the high seas.
If this didn’t happen none of us would have known about it.
But it seems we know a lot of what the Israelis do, if they are being duped into doing things maybe they need a new game plan.
He who will not reason, is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not, is a slave. ~Sir William Drummond
To make comments on current affairs without any knowledge of the history of Israel’s creation is to my mind to play the fool
Israel was created by subterfuge(s) of all manner. How can a so-called nation founded on bribery, deceit and on-going terrorism be taken for anything
other than a rogue nation?
I was one of those brought up on a steady propagandist force fed diet of pro- Jewish propaganda, and I swallowed it hook, line and sinker much to my
With the advent of computers and the internet there are now sources of information, and tools of understanding: online Critical Thinking courses that
open the doors to broader perception(s).
I find it so diffiuclt to beleive some of the post on this site about this topic
The isreali seem to be in complete denial of what they did was bang out of order !!
The British white lady who posted a comment early has truely got it right as I feel the same
I nearly choked on me cuppa when the isreali pm said they where terrorists and it was a hate boat not a love boat
Originally posted by g146541
The only fact we need is the Israelis committed an act of piracy on the high seas.
I take issue with statements such as this.
Piracy is defined as: Maritime piracy, according to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) of 1982, consists of any criminal
acts of violence, detention, rape, or depredation committed for private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or aircraft
that is directed on the high seas against another ship, aircraft, or against persons or property on board a ship or aircraft.
What PRIVATE ends? The Israeli's were not taking the vessel as their own.
They were INSPECTING, ESCORTING and DOCKING the vessel at an port where aid items could be unloaded and delivered.
Had the Israeli's boarded and commandeered the vessel and it's cargo, then you might have a legitimate argument. However, I will refuse to
acknowledge in any way that this was an act of piracy. The IDF soliders were attacked and they defended themselves.
See, there you go again. PLEASE explain to me, at which point in this situation was it acceptable to MURDER civilians?
The Flotilla was in International waters, Israel had no right to storm this ship, none at all.
Israel is a disgrace, it always has been. And the world is waking up to it.
...There was no murder, the Israeli forces were attacked and they had injured.. They were being attacked by a larger force which had knives, pipes,
broken bottles, and even two of the so called "peaceful activists" had taken two pistols from injured Israeli soldiers hence they used their pistols
to defend themselves...
For crying out loud. I even showed maritime international law that PROVES the Israelis did the correct thing to do...
Did you even watch the video that shows Israeli soldiers being attacked and even one of them was thrown overboard? That is not PEACEFUL people...
One of the videos even shows that the Palestinians were getting ready, putting on gas masks, and getting pipes and other weapons even BEFORE they saw
the Israeli boats...
Its very simple Isreal set up a blockade. That means you cant go through it, but they choose to do it putting Isreal in situation they probably didnt
want. The boat started it bye passing the blockade. Isreal responded. They just wanted to take control of the boat or stop it. Then they start getting
bashed in there heads and what would you do? the exact same thing. "fight for your life" if they just wanted to kill there would have been alot more
According to the law concerning "international waters" anti-Israel people keep spouting off about, the IDF can perform like this in a 12 nautical
mile zone called the "contiguous zone" over which a state may take action to protect itself or its laws.. Like the OP stated, these smugglers are
lucky some are still alive, under the law a vessel that does not stop and accept the search can be sunk. Also a act of piracy? Come on, look past your
hate of Israel for a moment. This search was a state act, piracy has to br performed by a private entity, under the law.
Of course he does, a teenager with too many hormones and not one ounce of commons sense.
All these people bashing, and claiming Israel is a terrorist for this are just blinded, and naive. Israel did NOTHING illegal and even international
maritime law shows that Israel was right for doing this.
If Israel wants to board a ship they had better darn well wait until it's not in international waters. To forcibly board a ship without permission
in international waters is an act of piracy, which is ilegal, plain and simple.
If Israels goal was to give the rest of the world a reason to view them negatively they did everything to perfection.
I am usually either neutral or pro Israel when it comes to them defending themselves. Not this time. Any Israeli commandos that were hurt is %100
the fault of the Israeli government ordering this ilegal action. If this had occured after that ship had crossed out of international waters and into
Israels national waters then the bleeding heart fools on the ship would have nothing to complain about over being treated harshly. However, as it
stands now, regardless of wether those commandos were defending themselves or not, the Israeli government murdered the 9 people who died on that ship
(none of which were Israeli) and owe the family's reparations and an apology to any they detained afterward. Not that a lfamily members life can be
paid for with money.
May God comfort those familys who have lost a loved one over this. Shame on any who don't see what really happened here. People died needlessly
because of thoughtless desicions by Israels military and government. If they are truly fooled into making such rash desicions as this they need new
They, the israeli knew what they were doing. It just backfired on them and they lost....It they didn't have bad intentiones they would have waited
till the morning, which was just a hr. away and boarded the ship.But no, they had to play commandos, gi joes and such and got caught at it. They came
down the ropes firing live bullets and the helicopter people were firing live bullets also. Finklesteine says that a woman got away with 3 chips from
cameras that people aboard had and what is on these 3 chips will be shown soon. She hid them in her underpants he said today on Aljazeera t.v. Maybe
once we see what really happened we will know how to look at the situation correctly. But still, there was/is no reason for a country to jump a ship
at night in international waters. i imagine there are lies on both sides and the truth is somewhere in the middle like always. it isn't an open and
shut case like the BP oil spill here in the U.S. They have ruined our coast for many a many year.But, thats another story of the many, many out there.
i am really glad this is all an illusion. if it weren't we would really be in trouble. Peace.......
Believe it all you want. The last time I heard of activists attacking a group of COMMANDOS was NEVER.
The information clearly states that they were firing on the boat before they had entered it.
If you come to my house and start firing before you even enter, chances are, when you get inside my house, I'm going to use everything at my disposal
to END YOU. Be it a frozen dinner, a lamp, or whatever else is in my path. And, this is clearly what happened to the activists because they were
Also, I SAW the weapons cache that the Israelis acquired after the fact. If you believe their pathetic story, then please, believe me when I tell you
that I have beachfront land in Antarctica to sell you for only 10 dollars an acre. Right now, I will sell you 50,000 acres at a discount for only 8
bucks an acre. Just send me the money via Western Union and I'll send you the deed to your new land!!!
Much love to all...
Including the guy who actually believes Israel's pathetic story.
Those 'mercernaries' went into a battle armed with knives and clubs whereas the Israeli force were elite commandos with sidearms. I have to say
that those mercenaries were very brave. They showed a lot more courage than the soldiers attacking them. Israel really screwed up and certainly lost
the PR battle on the world stage. This is a long way from over.
How come nobody has mentioned that this was a midnight raid? If the IDF were vigilant in their claims that they acted legally under maritime
precedence, why instigate this situation under the guise of darkness?
Afterwards, the best they come up with is shell casings not of Israeli issue, yet they found no guns or bomb materials. They haven't really disclosed
anything other than their own self justification.
Remember awhile back, the American captain who was regarded a hero for his efforts against Somali pirates? He did what he had to do under extreme
circumstances. Namely, staying alive. Much like what the aid ship's crew did. They most likely couldn't afford the luxury of time to develop a game
plan. It most likely happened very fast. If the aid ship had planned this out, there would be more evidence than just a few shell casings.
IDF in no ways performed a routine inspection. Had they done so, certain people would still be alive.
I wonder what the flotilla organizers have to say. The only talk we hear is just the typical rhetoric about how Israel has the right to defend
herself. Their actions give the impression of - shoot first, spin it later. Their actions may be legal, in a very convoluted, roundabout way, yet they
are far from just.
OOps my bad, Corporate piracy. is that better?
If someone steps into my house i will do with them what i want then dispose of the leftovers, simple as that.
The aid boat was in international waters.
But enough of this i will not try to show someone the difference between right and wrong.
I am not talking about what a book may say, I am speaking of the voice in your head that screams "DON'T DO THIS IT'S WRONG.!"
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