Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
Yeah, I saw the "weapons" too. As a matter of fact, those "weapons" weren't "weapons" at all.
Whatever you use as a weapon IS a weapon. If you think not, you mean to say you wouldn't MIND getting whacked in the head with steel pipe?
It was stuff that was laying around the ship that were used for self defense when they were illegally fired upon by the psychopathic Israelis.
"Laying around"? No. The pipes were purposely cut from the ships handrails. That's not a spur of the moment operation, I don't care WHAT you've
seen on tv shows like "The A-Team". That was done ahead of time, to make... WEAPONS. A clear demonstration of premeditated intent.
Anyone that calls those tools weapons are simply making excuses for the Israelis because they don't want to believe the situation that is occurring
right before their eyes. Or, they're just simply DELUSIONAL.
OR... they might just have a clue about 'improvised weaponry'. The same axe that splits a chunk of wood will split a chunk of head. 'Weapon' would
fall under the category of 'useage' there.
You're trying to complain that the people who were fired upon were not Pacifists???
So I guess 'pacifism is in the eye of the beholder'? Cool. There's hope for me yet, then. I can have weapons and improvised weapons all over my
house, and still claim 'pacifism' if I use them? "Your Honor, it's ok that I attacked those folks, 'cause I'm a pacifist. Here's my card to
Let me tell you right now...Pacifism goes out the window when someone is firing bullets at you.
Yeah, that's exactly why I stay away from situations where folks are firing bullets, if I don't have a real need to be there. The math on that is
pretty simple, and it don't take a rocket scientist.
And not a single ONE of those activists had guns, knives, or anything of the sort. They had tools that were already on the ship that they used to
I've already addressed the improvised weaponry, but now you throw knives into the mix. I'm guessing your contention is that the cuts and stab wounds
were REALLY just fingernail marks, right?
It was the Europeans that were on board that caused the public outrage after viewing what the Israelis did to INNOCENT people. Imagine what would
have happened if the Israelis had accidentally killed ONE OF THE EUROPEANS.
Be one more dead, and that's about it. Looks like the Europeans might have been bright enough not to be in on the attack to begin with, hence no need
to pop 'em.
But, as it were, Israel only killed a few "WORTHLESS" Muslims, so people like YOU can rest easy and place the blame back on the Western made
Boogeyman of the Islamic faith without having to lose a seconds worth of sleep.
OR... they only had a need to neutralize the ones that were attacking? Not too complex an idea for you too handle, is it? Sorry, I couldn't figure
out a way to inject the emotion you seem to crave into it.
So, let me get this straight... in this age, even self defense is viewed upon by the "hopelessly brainwashed" as aggression,
How was it 'self defense'? No one on the other ships felt an irrational need for 'self defense', and lo and behold, none of them got themselves
all corpsified! See how that can work?
and something as simple as a pipe from aboard a ship can be considered a "viable" weapon against machine guns being wielded by highly trained
COMMANDOS. Is that close? Am I representing your opinion with accuracy here?
Close, except for the "machine gun" part. I'm overly familiar with weapons. I invite anyone who cares to to have a go at a pipe wielding little old
me, as long as all they bring is a paintball gun with pepper balls. That's only a "machine gun" to fearful San Franciscans. Add in a ballistic vest
and gas mask for me against those pepper balls, and I won't even worry about how many 'rounds' they can crank off before I crush their heads with
my 'non-weaponized, steel pipe.
If I'm ever in that situation, can I hire you for a defense attorney?
HAVE YOU LISTENED TO YOURSELF???
Can't hear myself for all the emotional whining going on here.
Final example: Lets say someone were to come to your home with a 9 millimeter and start shooting while attempting to break into your house. They make
their way into your home, and somehow you're able to neutralize the assailant by smashing a lamp over his head because its the only thing at your
disposal. The next thing that you know, you're being arrested in your own home for defending yourself against this lunatic. Then the lunatic
decides to sue you because of your act of aggression against him. The next thing that you know, you're having to explain your side of the story to
the American public for nothing more than trying to protect you and your family. That's right. Now, you're the criminal.
I can avoid that by simply not calling up the local element that does break-ins, and telling them I'm gonna drive my house through their turf, daring
them to try to break in to it, and then proceeding down the street at the wheel of my house. Had to use that analogy, because I don't think my house
would float very well in the way that ships travel, but If I jacked it up and put a truck under it, I might get it mobile enough for an invasion
Aren't wild, non-analagous analogies fun?
Believe it or not, this exact scenario has happened before because people LIKE YOU have made it possible for a CRIMINAL to get away with MURDER
because of the subjective way that they CHOOSE to view the story, as opposed to looking at the HARD facts that surround the event. Those commandos
didn't even get a splinter, while people died and were injured on the other side of the coin.
Yeah. My dear old dad told me to never take a knife to a gun fight, and I guess the same applies to steel pipes. If folks have guns on them somewhere,
and you whack them enough with steel pipes, you probably ought not to be surprised at the results. The real strange part is, if these Israelis were as
murderous as you claim, how did anyone get within arms reach with a steel pipe to begin with?
I bet you're the type of person that claims that there are two sides of a story when a woman gets raped as well. "Spin," as you call it. Tell me,
when a woman gets raped...DOES SHE DESERVE IT??? Does she cease to be a pacifist, in your eyes, when she has the AUDACITY to defend herself against
the advances of a lunatic??? Was she asking for it???
Irrelevant appeal to emotion. No women were raped in the production of this video.
Why don't you put that into perspective and come again when you've applied some critical thought to this situation.
Research it, find out why, and then report back how that applies here.
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