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Netanyahu: Rachel Corrie ship Wont reach Gaza

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posted on Jun, 4 2010 @ 03:06 AM
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America can just label you an "Enemy Combatent" and use extraordinary rendition on your ass to some country to torture you. You could just fall off the "GRID".

Israel would be smart to use "Kid Gloves" on this one and wait until they approach the 12 mile limit. I do think this ship will divert to Israeli port.

I think a lot of things are at play in the Middle East right now not just the Flotilla incident but other things hitting the news. The fact that Israel announced that the deployed submarines equiped with nuclear tipped cruise missles to the Persian Gulf. Obama giving the go-ahead to Russia to sell Iran S300 air defense system.

I think the air defense deal is significant in itself. Just a hypothesis here, but what if Iran's Nuke Program is for Power and Medical Isotopes. That would be the only reason why Russia would get involved. I don't think the Billions in investment there by the Russians would be the reason for this deal. Obama backing is perhaps a way to stall the Israelis from attacking Iran and launching the whole region into war with lot's of beaten up US hardware stuck in the middle.

Turkey plays the key role here and the ball is in their court. If both sides choose to escalate then the middle east will get out of control and you might see another Coalition of Arab countries. If Israel attacks Iran and things get messy with Turkey then other Arab Nations may view this as a threat to their existence as if this is allowed then their future growth could be threatened by air attacks and war.

As far as Iran goes, I think the strike is nearing as Israel wouldn't have announced moving nuclear armed subs into the Persian Gulf if they weren't planning on striking soon. It seems wise to start now as the summer provides good weather. The subs are to send a message that we'll wipe you out if necessary.

As far as the Flottila incident goes, I think Israel acted stupidly in this manner. It would have been far easier to escort it into the Gazan Port which I'm sure Israel could control and detain them then and inspect the cargo. If it clears then distribute it from there. Shuts up the Humanitrian groups that are complaining essential things aren't getting through.

Israel is handling Gaza like the British tried to handle Northern Ireland. Shut it down, constrict movement. Inspect things going in and out. Israel just bumped up this concept up on steroids. Israel would have been smarter to wait until at least the 12 mile limit to do this raid. International Waters is piracy.


And there does seem to be a lot of new members lately who if you read through the thread are at it for like 4-5 hours straight.

To blame the people in Gaza for what's happening is wrong. Sure the political situation isn't ideal there but was their election any different then any of ours. I often have to vote for the lesser of the evils at election times. Theirs was no different, it's just that Hamas was their only other choice come election time. These people are desperate. There's hardly any food, water and all that.

What would you do?




posted on Jun, 4 2010 @ 03:21 AM
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America can just label you an "Enemy Combatent" and use extraordinary rendition on your ass to some country to torture you. You could just fall off the "GRID".


That is my point dummy, you can call anyone a terrorist to justify your own crimes.

Well I killed him because he was a terrorist, I tortured him because he was a terrorist, I accidentally kill his whole family is well because he was a terrorist, I bombed a whole village killing women and children because there was terrorists in there blablablabla.

OK honey, do you get my point?

And by the way, America can try to deport me to their torture camps, I'll fight to death before that happens. I'm faster than you think and smarter than you think.

I'll take at least one person down with me.



posted on Jun, 4 2010 @ 03:27 AM
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Woops sorry I forgot to put this
at the end of that quote. I was in fact being sarcastic.

2nd line

[edit on 4-6-2010 by DEEZNUTZ]



posted on Jun, 4 2010 @ 03:32 AM
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Originally posted by LittleSecret
reply to post by DEEZNUTZ
 




America can just label you an "Enemy Combatent" and use extraordinary rendition on your ass to some country to torture you. You could just fall off the "GRID".


That is my point dummy, you can call anyone a terrorist to justify your own crimes.

Well I killed him because he was a terrorist, I tortured him because he was a terrorist, I accidentally kill his whole family is well because he was a terrorist, I bombed a whole village killing women and children because there was terrorists in there blablablabla.

OK honey, do you get my point?

And by the way, America can try to deport me to their torture camps, I'll fight to death before that happens. I'm faster than you think and smarter than you think.

I'll take at least one person down with me.



dude...you need to calm the # down and think about what you just wrote.

whats up with...im faster than you think? ill take at least one person down with me?

the fact that youre even here if testament that you are bright enough to fight for your beliefs in a non-detrimental way.

 

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posted on Jun, 4 2010 @ 03:40 AM
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Originally posted by DEEZNUTZ
reply to post by LittleSecret
 


Woops sorry I forgot to put this
at the end of that quote. I was in fact being sarcastic.

2nd line

[edit on 4-6-2010 by DEEZNUTZ]


Yes I know, that is why I put the dummy at the end, like that is my kind of sarcasm ^^



posted on Jun, 4 2010 @ 03:44 AM
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dude...you need to calm the fcuk down and think about what you just wrote.

whats up with...im faster than you think? ill take at least one person down with me?

the fact that youre even here if testament that you are bright enough to fight for your beliefs in a non-detrimental way.


I wrote if someone comes and tries to take me to a torture camp somewhere in Egypt I won't let it happen.

Get it?

The can shove the war on terrorism crap up theirs, they took innocent people and tortured them, from all around the world.



posted on Jun, 4 2010 @ 04:03 AM
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Originally posted by LittleSecret
reply to post by FuGGer
 




dude...you need to calm the fcuk down and think about what you just wrote.

whats up with...im faster than you think? ill take at least one person down with me?

the fact that youre even here if testament that you are bright enough to fight for your beliefs in a non-detrimental way.


I wrote if someone comes and tries to take me to a torture camp somewhere in Egypt I won't let it happen.

Get it?

The can shove the war on terrorism crap up theirs, they took innocent people and tortured them, from all around the world.





oh ok.

yes i can understand how innocent peeps can be subjected to torture and wrongful inprisonment that ultimately converts them into real terrorists.



posted on Jun, 4 2010 @ 04:11 AM
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To the OP:

Do you know who Rachel Corrie is?

It is the same activist who was also killed protesting Israeli crimes, she was killed by a bulldozer which was suppose to work for the illegal settlement expansion.

For those who say this ship won't make, heck it is not suppose to make, it is suppose to open your eyes to what is happening in that place.

This ship is sponsored by Malaysia, so this time Malaysia is involved. Israel can't defend its crimes for that long.



They are trying to make these activists look like the bad guys, good luck to their propaganda machine.



posted on Jun, 4 2010 @ 04:29 AM
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There are 6 Malaysians (Shamsul Akmar, Matthias Chang, Faizal Azumu, Nizar Zakaria, Abdul Halim and Jufri Judin) and 5 Irish activists on board: Nobel laureate Maireád Corrigan-Maguire, former UN Assistant Secretary General Denis Halliday, film maker Fiona Thompson and husband and wife Derek and Jenny Graham.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jun, 4 2010 @ 04:42 AM
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posted on Jun, 4 2010 @ 06:49 AM
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There is a 23 million concentration camp where hunger and humiliation
dwarf the Gaza situation.This concentration camp is called North Korea.
I will advise all ''peace lovers'' from Rachel Corrie or whatever Freedom
Flotilla (#2 , # 3...etc) to start deliver humanitarin aid there.

Nobody blames the north korean people for what their crazy dictator
does in that country.And its perfectly normal not to blame them.The
world blames lil' Kim.

Now, why only few blame Hamas for what is happening in Gaza, and
instead they blame Israel for this?

Like it or not, lil' Kim is the calling the shots in NK.Like it or not, Hamas
is calling the shots in Gaza.And, like it or not, that teritory (Gaza is NOT
a state) is under a blockade (legit or not, it does NOT matter) by two
neighbouring states : Israel and Egypt.

At this point is doesn't matter who was there first (jews or palestinians),
it doesn't matter who gave that land to whom...At this point, there is a
state called Israel and two teritories called Gaza and West Bank.
There are 1,7 million arab jews that live and work in Israel...and there
are 1,7 million palestinians that suffer from hunger (well, not like in NK
or Darfur if anyone still remember this).

Israel, like it or not, is making the law there (their law, right or wrong, it
does not matter, again).Does anyone in their sanity beleive that ANY
flotilla will ''liberate'' Gaza?Does anyone beleive that peace in ME can be
achieved without Israel beeing recognized by their neoghbours?

Even if Israel will agree with '67 borders, even Israel will give Jerusalem
as capital city for a future palestinian state...it won't be enough.
The arabs wants only one thing : Israel to stop exist.

And there is only way to achive this : force them to leave.But just
remember '48, '67 and '73.

Stop sending more ships to break the blockade (which , btw, since Gaza
is NOT a state, its not illegal...but again, is not legal also), world already
KNOW what is happening in Gaza, and try to help via UN or simply via
Israel and Egypt.

Israel is there to stay, the blockade is there to stay (as long as Hamas is
rulling Gaza) and this won't change without a clear winner : Israel or
Arabs.No flotilla will make any diference in the big scheme.



posted on Jun, 4 2010 @ 06:58 AM
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Every thing about North Korea is correct..Problem is its HIS country HE is blocking...

Israel is blocking SOME ONE ELSES COUNTRY>>>

Can you spot the difference or go you need more clues???

Might be hard getting use to ATS threads having only been here 2 days but you will learn



posted on Jun, 4 2010 @ 07:05 AM
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As new as i am on ATS , i still know that Gaza is NOT a country...beleive it
or not.
The blockade is not legal , but its not illegal also.
The point i wanted to make with NK is simple : north koreans are also
human beeings , just like the palestinians in Gaza.
Simple question that arises is WHY start with helping 1,7 million is Gaza
while is same time the need to help the 23 million north koreans is far, far
more acute.
Nobody YET, died of hunger in Gaza...but NK had almost 1 million dead
in the middle 90's famine.

But, why help the north koreans? There are no jews to be blamed for what
is happening there with 23 million (compared to NK, Gaza is a heaven).

[edit on 4-6-2010 by Recollector]

[edit on 4-6-2010 by Recollector]



posted on Jun, 4 2010 @ 07:24 AM
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Excuse me for not going over the entire thread but was it already mentioned that the ship has lost all contact??

Contact lost with Gaza aid boat, 'sabotage' blamed


JERUSALEM (AFP) – Organisers of the Gaza flotilla said they lost contact with the Gaza-bound MV Rachel Corrie on Friday just as they are seeking to delay the latest bid to bust the embargo with an aid-laden ship.


It's probably already mentioned so please ignore my stupidity but it seemed rather important to point out....

Peace



posted on Jun, 4 2010 @ 09:07 AM
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There has been a lot of hammering done on the Muslim faith. It seems the Muslim faith has been "on trial" in western countries, conveniently making it somewhat easier for Israel to do what it wants.
Coincidence?
Anyway, I thought I would bring up a little tidbit about the Jewish faith. Have you ever heard of the "Kol Nidre"?

www.sweetliberty.org...

In a nutshell, the Jews don't have to honor any agreements or oaths with "transgressors", or Non-Jews. Because God is a "Jew" you see, and so God would not EXPECT them too, I suppose.

More to come.



posted on Jun, 4 2010 @ 09:19 AM
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Is God a Jew?

Are Jews, and ONLY Jews, equal to God?

The Jews think so. Or perhaps only the EXTREMIST Jews? I had never heard of Jewish Extremism. I wonder why?

www.talmudunmasked.com...

No wonder they don't have to honor commitments, pledges or oaths to Non-Jews, everyone else is an animal. Not God.

"He who strikes an Israelite" says Rabbi Chanina "acts as if he slaps the face of God's Divine Majesty.

Sources:
www.talmudunmasked.com...



posted on Jun, 4 2010 @ 09:28 AM
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Dude you're confused, watch this..





posted on Jun, 4 2010 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by Fire Angel
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nice pics, they should thank Hammas rockets for that. The West Bank under Fatah is doing fine.

Besides its only two mil, Darfur is a bigger problem focus on that...


Fatah is doing fine? They are denied water, subordinated to constant check point controls, attacked by militant Settlers who constantly keep expanding their claims on their territory? Thats fine?
Would you just mind to stop telling lies?



posted on Jun, 4 2010 @ 10:59 AM
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i started reading this thread from the beginning and i was starting to think the whole world is going batsh## crazy, until i read your post OKBMD. I'm in total agreement, the actors have played their parts and set the stage for the powderkeg to go off...just waiting on the spark to light the fuse



posted on Jun, 4 2010 @ 11:05 AM
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and that is all that serperates us from this relative peace we have now and world war... time.



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