Bad old Israel? Maybe not so much?

I have compiled a few things that show a different side of the "Bad old Israel" argument.

You hear the "bad" things that Israel does. How about some good stuff?

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Today (Wednesday, December 31 2008), 12 Palestinians entered Israel for medical treatment in Israeli hospitals. Two of those evacuated were children injured during the military activates, the remaining are chronically sick people, and their escorts, that entered Israel for treatment that is not available within the Gaza Strip.

How about how the muzzies play up for western (read "sheeple") sympathy.

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Camera-Ready Victims
Hamas practices human sacrifice; the world shrugs.

They are estimating that as many as 1,000 Gazans (unverified) may have been killed and many more wounded by Israel’s counterattack against Hamas, whose missiles have rained down on southern Israel’s schools, homes, and businesses for several years. Many of those killed by the Israel Defense Forces were Hamas operatives. (Israel turns out to have excellent intelligence about their locations, and in several instances the IDF phoned its target before attacking, giving him an opportunity to save his family by leaving the house.) But many were not terrorists, because Hamas has perfected a kind of camera-ready human sacrifice—placing its launchers in playgrounds, hospitals, and neighborhoods crowded with mothers and children.

Every innocent life lost is a tragedy and a horror. But if you watch the news in Brussels or Boston and certainly in Islamabad or Caracas, you will get the distorted impression that the Palestinian plight is the worst on earth—an impression that is reinforced almost daily by the United Nations. We in the United States pay almost no attention to the resolutions, findings, and advocacy of the U.N., regarding it as a font of gasbaggery, stinking hypocrisy, and cant. But the rest of the world does pay attention. According to Eye on the U.N., in 2008, 68 percent of General Assembly resolutions regarding violations of human rights targeted Israel. Afghanistan was cited in 4 percent of the resolutions, along with Azerbaijan, Georgia, the United States, and a few others. Russia, Sudan, China, and Saudi Arabia, to name just a few, were not cited at all. In 2007, 32 countries were mentioned for human-rights violations, though most just barely. Israel once again topped the list with 121 actions taken against it. Sudan came in second with 61, Myanmar third with 41. The U.S. was No. 4, with 39 actions, tied with the Democratic Republic of the Congo!

And finally, you dont hear much about Egypt having enough of Hamas and the West Bank BS do you?

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On the Israeli raid on the Gaza-bound flotilla:

The fundamental deception here is the use of the word "humanitarian." . . . Humanitarians don't wield iron clubs, and [they] would have killed the Israelis had the Israelis not drawn their pistols in self-defense.

But there‘s a larger issue here. What exactly is the humanitarian crisis that the flotilla was actually addressing? There is none. There’s no one starving in Gaza. The Gazans have been supplied with food and social services, education, by the U.N., by UNWRA, for 60 years, in part with American tax money.

Second, when there are humanitarian needs, the Israelis allow — every day — food and medicine overland into Gaza. The reason that it did not want to allow this flotilla is because, as the spokesman for the flotilla said herself, this was not about humanitarian relief. It was about breaking the blockade.

And the reason the Israelis have a blockade is because they only want to allow humanitarian supplies and not weaponry. Look, the proof of that is the fact that if you look at a map of Gaza, you'll see that Israelis only control three sides of this rectangle. There’s a fourth side on the Egyptian side. So it is an Egyptian-Israeli blockade.

The Egyptians have the same problem with Gaza. People accuse Israeli of the blockade [saying it’s because] because they're racist, they’re anti-Muslim, anti-Arab. The Egyptians are Muslim and Arab and they’ve gone to war three times on behalf of the Palestinians. So why do they have exactly the same blockade? Because Gaza is run by Hamas, a terror entity that wants to import weaponry and resume the war against Israel.

This isnt quite enough to balance the anti Israel crowd in here (Who do you dirt bags REALLY work for?) but its a start.

Lets talk about an interesting bunch.

International Solidarity Movement.

Notice some of the dates. This isnt something that "just happened".

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How the ISM helped create the current war with Hamas

Sunday, January 11, 2009

In 2003 the International Solidarity Movement began a campaign on behalf of Arab terrorist groups of interfering with IDF operations in Rafah and the Philadelphi Corridor by launching an international propaganda campaign accusing Israel of demolishing the homes of innocent Palestinian Arabs for no reason at all. Part of this program resulted in a coup for the ISM, or as one ISM activist, Joseph Carr, stated, an event occurred that was “well worth the price of the revolution.” A young anarchist girl named Rachel Corrie was killed when she sat down in front of an IDF bulldozer that was clearing an area that contained a weapons smuggling tunnel. Corrie had written home to her mother only two weeks earlier that she had been in one of the tunnels helping to retrieve the dead body of an Arab terrorist who had been killed by Israeli forces, probably the Bedouin Scouts, who cleared the tunnels back then one at a time much as was done by US forces in Vietnam. Just as today, back then the tunnels were being used to smuggle arms and missiles to be used to shoot at the Israeli population of Sderot. The ISM even set up their own blog on the Internet for their members running around there to interfere with the IDF called Rafah Kids.

Most people may not realize it, but the constant hammering and lies about Corrie’s death in the worldwide media ultimately convinced the Israeli government to open the Rafah border and Philadelphi Corridor to international and Egypt’s control.

Or maybe this little jewel. Mentioning AMERICAN Idiots.

Notice how they are turning American jews against their own?


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Pro-Hamas Radicals Seek Media Limelight - and the suprise that will be waiting for them

May 27, 2010

A major media storm may be brewing as Israel faces a propaganda assault from European and American radicals and pro-Hamas groups seeking to provoke distorted media portrayals of the Jewish state. Calling itself a "Freedom Flotilla" and sponsored by the "Free Gaza Movement" and several other organizations, 9 ships – originating from Ireland, Turkey, Greece, Crete and Algeria – aim to dock in Gaza in the coming days. The purpose is to bring supplies supposedly unavailable to Palestinians and to attract world attention. The flotilla includes cargo and passenger ships, the latter carrying hundreds of pro-Palestinian figures, among them far-left academics, writers, physicians, elected officials – and journalists.

According to the Palestinian Ma'an News Agency, the media covering the event from the decks of the ships include Al-Jazeera TV, Reuters, BBC Radio, Euro News, representatives from Bulgarian and Czech TV and a large number of correspondents from international newspapers and news agencies (May 20, 2010).

Israel has said it will transfer the materials and equipment on the ships overland from Ashdod, but will not allow the flotilla to dock in Gaza. The "Free Gaza" group has refused this offer.

Contrary to allegations of the organizers, there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza. Convoys of trucks continuously bring food, clothing, medicine and other essentials to the population. Israel provides this aid even though the ruling Hamas regime calls for Israel's destruction, targets Israeli civilians with missiles, holds kidnaped soldier Gilad Shalit and indoctrinates its populace in Nazi-like hatred of Jews and Israel.

Folks. Dont believe the hype. Dont believe these operators from NWO types.

Divide and conquer. I heard today on the radio that Israel is the "canary in the mine". I believe it.

Originally posted by felonius

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Today (Wednesday, December 31 2008), 12 Palestinians entered Israel for medical treatment in Israeli hospitals. Two of those evacuated were children injured during the military activates, the remaining are chronically sick people, and their escorts, that entered Israel for treatment that is not available within the Gaza Strip.

So the children had bullet wounds - or was it white phosphorus burns - and then the israelis gave them medical care? Aww how nice.

You do understand how they got their injuries, right?



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better than taking 12 people for treatment, why not allow them to repair their hospitals that have been damaged over and over?

or how about israel stops attacking them, maybe then they wouldnt need any serious treatments.

or even better, israel should give the palestinians their land back and then set proper, fair borders. that would be nice!

Originally posted by RizeorDie
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better than taking 12 people for treatment, why not allow them to repair their hospitals that have been damaged over and over?

Maybe if hamas would stop stealing the cement a that the UN and other assisting bodies/nations keep sending over there and selling it they could build hospitals. Tell me how exactly is israel preventing them from building hospitals? Please cite sources that corroborate with this claim.

or how about israel stops attacking them, maybe then they wouldnt need any serious treatments.

Or maybe if HAMAS would stop launching their attacks from civilian areas or gee i dunno stop firing rockets into israel alltogether then maybe innocent people wouldn't get caught in the crossfire.

or even better, israel should give the palestinians their land back and then set proper, fair borders. that would be nice!

Sure, if you can get hamas to actually agree to recognize israel.

Originally posted by GobbledokTChipeater


So the children had bullet wounds - or was it white phosphorus burns - and then the israelis gave them medical care? Aww how nice.

You do understand how they got their injuries, right?



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Because the nutjobs in palestine insist on provoking the nutjobs in israel?

And yet ANOTHER thread brought to you courtesy of the IDF - The Internet Defense Forces of Israel! Honest to God! How many more "Love Israel" propaganda BS pieces are we going to be subjected to today? How lovely that the kind and benevolent Israelis decided to let 12 Palesitinians into their country for medical treatment - several of whom had been injured from Israel's own impunity!

Sorry, I'm afraid you're gonna need to let your bosses know that we are officially immune to any propaganda emminating out of Tel Aviv. We can all see with our own eyes the absolute truth regarding Israel. A piece off poop wrapped in gold gilded paper is still a piece of poop!

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maybe they recognise israel when israel stops stealing land, destroying farms, and bulldozing houses where most of the people in gaza lived once.

Israel Goverment Confiscate Palestinian Land


Violent Israeli Settlers Terrorize Palestinians


Israelis Taped By Stealing Territory


Israeli army 'used human shields in Gaza war' - 9 Feb 09


IDF using Palestinians as Human Shields


BBC - israeli soldiers shot children while eating chocalate and chips


Israel Soldier Shoots arrested Palestinian


to the above posted videos, there are hundreds of other related videos, proof that exposes the zionist regime.

You people.

I pray to god we never get in a shooting war over here. We're screwed if too many are like you.


Hamas (like others -say somalia? vietnam?) have the smarts to put their hardware in populated areas, the tops of apartments ect.

When the retaliation comes "oooooh, you attacked innocents".

Your type really makes me ill.

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"Our type" make You ill!?

That goes so far beyond irony, words excape me!

Us 'dirtbags' don't work for anyone. We are independent minded people who see the oppression Israel is doling out to Gaza and the Palestinians. Unlike Israel, which needs to urge its most radical supporters to post blindly on their behalf (via the JIDF) those of us supporting the Palestinian side of the issue do so out of moral soul searching about the best things the world can do to solve a situation that is out of control on both sides.

If Israel would just stop being the aggressor in the situation then it will gradually slide into peace.

You call them muzzies in your post and you call their supporters idiots and dirtbags. It's obvious that you're a radical supporter of Zionism.

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I'm sorry but the second someone says "zionist regime" they lose all credibility with me. You are talking to a former neo-nazi here buddy. And don't even try to use the Khazar speech to go on about how they aren't actually Semites or whatever the popular argument this decade is to justify your racial political or religious based prejudices may be.


So let's see, So far your argument has consisted of showing me videos that are purposely edited and taken out of context offering no background information beyond the story that you and the uploader posted. You expect me to just take your word that israel was arbitrarily killing people for no reason in front of cameras? Again, these videos offer no context beyond what you claim them to be.


[ Note: this is directed at everyone]

If jews control the media and israel is just so good at suppressing the truth then why are these videos on youtube?

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"Former neo-Nazi"... You're killing me... I just spit beer through my nose. Is this some kind of comedy or parody???

Originally posted by DeathShield
reply to post by RizeorDie

 

I'm sorry but the second someone says "zionist regime" they lose all credibility with me. You are talking to a former neo-nazi here buddy. And don't even try to use the Khazar speech to go on about how they aren't actually Semites or whatever the popular argument this decade is to justify your racial political or religious based prejudices may be.


So let's see, So far your argument has consisted of showing me videos that are purposely edited and taken out of context offering no background information beyond the story that you and the uploader posted. You expect me to just take your word that israel was arbitrarily killing people for no reason in front of cameras? Again, these videos offer no context beyond what you claim them to be.


[ Note: this is directed at everyone]

If jews control the media and israel is just so good at suppressing the truth then why are these videos on youtube?

you're 1st paragraph is irrelevant and i dont see how you being a neo nazi changes anything.

2nd paragraph, go watch the videos, theres a story in everyone and there is also translation.

stop ignoring the facts BUDDY! haha

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What the first paragraph means is that i am not going to fall for you ISRAEL IS PURE EVIL!one one one! tactics. I am a HARDCORE skeptic in regards to claims for and against israel.

Facts? WHAT FACTS?! All i see is andecdotal evidence and footage that offers no real context outside what is claimed by the narrators and subjects in the footage. Again you failed to answer my questions. AGAIN You expect me to just take your word that israel was arbitrarily killing people for no reason in front of cameras?

If i showed you a video of me walking through my house and my entire house was destroyed and i said " oh it was the US army that did this and murdered my daughter" would you immeadiately take my word for it? And lets say the US army was responsible? Does that automatically mean it was their objective to destroy my house and my daughter?

Again, offer me evidence that is not youtube videos. Videos and photographs can be manipulated to tell whatever story you want.

Originally posted by kozmo
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"Former neo-Nazi"...

You're killing me... I just spit beer through my nose. Is this some kind of comedy or parody???

I'm sorry but what is so funny about that? I'm actually pretty damn ashamed of it considering some of the things i did and said.

Originally posted by DeathShield
reply to post by RizeorDie

What the first paragraph means is that i am not going to fall for you ISRAEL IS PURE EVIL!one one one! tactics.

nobody is trying to trick you here.
i'm not going to force you to change you're views on israel, thats up to you.

why do you feel like i'm using a tactic to trick you?

I am a HARDCORE skeptic in regards to claims for and against israel.

no doubt!

Facts? WHAT FACTS?! All i see is andecdotal evidence and footage that offers no real context outside what is claimed by the narrators and subjects in the footage.

yes some videos are only in arabic. but there is translation for you.

Again you failed to answer my questions. AGAIN You expect me to just take your word that israel was arbitrarily killing people for no reason in front of cameras?

in one of the videos, they cut the olive trees of one mans house and force him to move so they can build a road.

the nazis used to record themselves violating the jews, you're a neo nazi you should know that

the israelis are the same, they take pride in recording their achievments or allowing others to do it, they dont mind.

the technique keeps the arabs in their place!

If i showed you a video of me walking through my house and my entire house was destroyed and i said " oh it was the US army that did this and murdered my daughter" would you immeadiately take my word for it? And lets say the US army was responsible? Does that automatically mean it was their objective to destroy my house and my daughter?

i dont see how this is relevant. why would the USA want to destroy you're house and kill you're daughter?

it doesnt make any sense!

the israelis clearly want the whole land, but unlucky for them, there are still people living there who are not willing to give it up!!

Again, offer me evidence that is not youtube videos. Videos and photographs can be manipulated to tell whatever story you want.

again i dont have to offer you anything, you have the internet, its all there. if you're interested then research yourself.

Originally posted by DeathShield

Originally posted by kozmo
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"Former neo-Nazi"...

You're killing me... I just spit beer through my nose. Is this some kind of comedy or parody???

I'm sorry but what is so funny about that? I'm actually pretty damn ashamed of it considering some of the things i did and said.

its funny becuase there was no need or requirement for you to mention it.

its like you said it just to let everyone else know, for no reason!

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Are you actually blind ? I mean really man.

In one of those vids a blindfolded man is shot point blank range.

You do understand not 1 IDF solder has been prosecuted for a war crime in 60 years. So you know you are being lied to, even if you are Pro-Israel you must have a brain that can compute the odds of that being true.

Does it compute ?

Hell even the U.S. do prosecute their own when stepping over the line. Maybe not all the time, but enough to know they have some morals.

The Israelis obviously have no line, no morals and no accountability. And lots of guns.

reply to post by felonius


Good argument if only the British had the balls of the Israelis, we could of carpet bombed all the republican estates of Ulster, because lets face it there only Catholics and they deserved it for letting armed paramilitaries use there local area.

This is the best i can put it without sounding offensive, you sound like a biggot to me.