Its considered torture now and is illegal.

Thats President Obamas perogative to classify it as such.

Under President Bush it was deemed legal and it was his perogagtive to deem it as such. It may or may not have saved lives. We will probably never really now the truth.

The debate will rage on with both sides not really knowing what they are talking about.

Originally posted by Judohawk
Criminals that get tortured for info usually aren't good people. Letting them sit in a dark room and just asking them over and over isn't going to get information.

So once we determine that someone isn't "good" it's okay to torture them? Go ahead and torture, they'll tell you they killed their own mother who's still alive.

Spend more time worrying about yourself and your family than whether a terrorist is being treated fairly.

As long as people are going around finding torture acceptable I am forced to worry about myself and my family.

“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face in marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” Winners don’t cut and run. They are in the fight until the end. They stay the course. They know that anything worthwhile will take a bit longer and take some doing. They understand that they will face a few detours, disappointments, and distractions.

They expect the unexpected. They are warriors who realize that war is war. They don’t make excuses or expect the state or mommy to help them. They don’t find the strongest people to blame for their inadequacies, spinelessness and weakness. They bounce back courageously and fight on. They are the “Steel fist in the silken glove” – when you push them, you find out whom you’re really dealing with.

-roosevelt

Well I'm just going to come out and say it: Good for him. Anyone who kills American citizens in the name of "God" deserves to be tortured or even worse. Anyone would says that these terrorists deserve mercy is..no I don't want to get myself in trouble here

Torture is the right thing to do if it saves lives. How many attempted terrorist attacks were there on the United States after Sept.11? Alot! How many successful terrorist attacks were there after Sept. 11? None.

If torture and doing whatever it takes to save lives, is such a sin, then why is 24 such a popular program. I know it is just a TV show, but it is reallity. Don't tell me anybody hear loses sleep becasue some terrorist got water boarded. do you really believe for a second that If terrorist got a hold of you, they wouldn't have any problem torturing the crap out of you? If your families we're in danger wouldn't you do anything regardless of if you had to really hurt somebody to protect them. I bet everybody hear would throw that PC no torture crap out the window if somebody they loved life would depend on it. or George Bush just like to torture people. Sadam liked to torture people, Stalin liked to torture people. George Bush just water boarded people, which isn't even real torture.

Originally posted by black cat
Torture is the right thing to do if it saves lives. How many attempted terrorist attacks were there on the United States after Sept.11? Alot! How many successful terrorist attacks were there after Sept. 11? None.

My thoughts exactly! It saves the lives American citizens.

I always appreciate it when GWB demonstrates the real reason I admire the hell out of the man. He lets them swing freely and that is a vital quality for a leader to have. Cheney did the same when he told Patrick Leahy to "Go [SNIP] yourself!"

Personally, I chuckle at the idea of waterboarding being "torture." It's a glorified fraternity hazing stunt at best... of course we live in a society that has emasculated itself to the point where any form of hazing initiates into a fraternal organization is grounds for prosecution. America needs more people who let them swing freely rather than more people who criticize and persecute the few who already do so.

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