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posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:30 AM
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I honestly think Obama is a good man. I'm not trying to flame you or this thread but I disagree. Historically, Obama has given up on personal gain in order to help the under privileged. Of course there is no way of knowing for sure, but I am convinced that Obama is for the people. So far, I haven't seen any real evidence of the "evil obama", only angry anti-obama rhetoric, mostly based on speculation and usually lacking the objectivity that any good argument embodies.

Change is always difficult and will always be feared and resisted. Government has a proper roll and regulation is one of them.

I like the direction we are headed in.

Some of you should really stop and think about what a socialist society is, what freedom means, what kind of people created the constitution, etc. Don't take any one's word on anything. Read up on these subjects and ask yourselves what they mean to you objectively. Then, make some decisions.

No offense, but watching the news and listening to talk radio will not empower you to make intelligent unbiased decisions about your world. Only you can do that.

Don't be afraid. Look the fear in the eye and smile. It's the mystery of life Einstein spoke of.




posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:31 AM
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You and I agree that Obama is doing a good job


Wrong again, as I am not part of the 26%.



Here is another fact correction for you

READ IT AND WEAP,

Obama has a 47% approval rating






[edit on 3-6-2010 by Paradigm2012]

[edit on 3-6-2010 by Paradigm2012]



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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I see bribery, abuse of power, official misconduct, and breaking his oath to the Constitution . . . just to name a few impeachable offenses.



Give me the specific examples of all of those where Obama is personally doing those things.

Sources would be nice too...not a blog site or your opinion...but an actual source.


Bribery:

"Whoever solicits or receives … any….thing of value, in consideration of the promise of support or use of influence in obtaining for any person any appointive office or place under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both." -- 18 USC Sec. 211 -- Bribery, Graft and Conflicts of Interest: Acceptance or solicitation to obtain appointive public office

"In the face of a White House denial, U.S. Rep. Joe Sestak stuck to his story yesterday that the Obama administration offered him a "high-ranking" government post if he would not run against U.S. Sen. Arlen Specter in Pennsylvania's Democratic primary."
-- Philadelphia Inquirer
February 19, 2010

Official Misconduct:

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Abuse of Power:

"[I]t is a clear abuse of power to use such [Presidential signing] statements as a license to evade laws that the president does not like or as an end-run around provisions designed to foster accountability.

I will not use signing statements to nullify or undermine congressional instructions as enacted into law."

- Senator Barack Obama, December 20, 2007 (Boston Globe)


"However, provisions of [HR 2436] ... would interfere with my constitutional authority to conduct foreign relations by directing the Executive to take certain positions in negotiations or discussions with international organizations and foreign governments, or by requiring consultation with the Congress prior to such negotiations or discussions. I will not treat these provisions as limiting my ability to engage in foreign diplomacy or negotiations."

- President Barack Obama, June 24, 2009 (Signing Statement accompanying signature of HR 2436)


In a precise example of an "end-run around provisions designed to foster accountability", the President's signing statement is, in his own words of 2007, a "clear abuse of power" that reinforces the idea that business interests can turn off the lights whenever they choose -- or get their centrist President to do it for them.

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Breaking oath to Constitution:

Quite a few examples



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Shall I continue?




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very enlightening!!! by far the only poster in this thread who has backed up what they have said.


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posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:32 AM
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Impeachment of Obama would be a terrible thing for the country. Impeachment would leave alive that the policys he is pushing have legitimacy and that if only for the impeachment the American people would have continued to pursue them.

Far better to let this administration slowly decline and have the weight of public opinion crush him in 2012, putting this socialist nonsense to bed for at least a decade until it comes back alive.

No one should push for impeachment its a distraction from the failure of the policy.

As Machievelli said "When your enemy is destroying themselves, stay out of the fight".

Time to simply take the high road and deal with policy differences in a positive and constructive way, the rest will happen through the normal electoral process. He's at 46% approval now, will lose his super-majority status in Congress in November and will limp like a lame duck his way to 2012 destruction and repudiation in the election.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by Paradigm2012


Everyone agrees your case for impeachment is very very weak


Fallacy: Appeal to Popularity


and you probably are hoaxing or making up your own facts,


I have provided my evidence. Please prove that I made up my own facts.


you even know that the reason your case for impeachment is flaud is because facts do not support it.


Please provide evidence that the facts do not support it . . .


If you want anyone to pay attention to you then you should learn how to debate a little better, you are not making yourself look good.


In your opinion, of course.


I am still waiting for your refutations, with facts, of my points . . .



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:36 AM
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Well thanks for a well thought out question...I'd be happy to answer.

Let's go through the "charges".


1) Complicit in the Illinois House Seat
Scandal with Blagovich, included in that
charge is Rahm Emmanuel his chief of staff.


What did Obama do in this case? The trial for Blago hasn't even started...all we know is that Blago wants him subpoenaed. The article given as a source doesn't even suggest Obama did anything wrong. Here is the only place the article mentions Obama...and it is about members of his future administration...not Obama himself.


Another possible wild card in Blagojevich's long-awaited trial that begins on Thursday is whether it will entangle Obama and his aides in Illinois' hurly-burly political theater.

The trial, which is expected to last up to four months, may expose discrepancies in how members of Obama's future administration characterized its contacts with Blagojevich after the November 2008 election.


Do you think that because members of his administration MAY have mis-characterized their contacts with Blago is an impeachable offesne for Obama?


2) Obama administration admitted using bribes
of White House positions to quell opponents
of the Obama Administration. To include offering
jobs to Andrew Romanoff and Joe Sestak to drop
political races.


Again...Obama didn't do this...it is possible some in his administration did. President Clinton is the only one that had direct talks...and Sestak is his friend and they were talking about "possibilities". A political game...sure...a crime...no. Offering someone a job isn't illegal...no where did they say "if you drop out, we will give you this job"...they talked about the possibility of a job that would require him to drop out. It's politics...and in politics that subtle difference means everything. Nothing was promised...nothing was offered...options were discussed...nothing illegal.

Do you think discussing options, not offering or bribing (no matter how many times Fox News repeats those words), is an impeachable offense when Obama wasn't even involved?



3) Obama has just instructed the Supreme Court to
circumvent law by asking the court to carve out a
special exemption for businesses who break the law
by hiring illegal aliens


There is not one thing illegal about asking the Supreme Court to look at a law and seeing if special circumstances should be considered when applying the law. That is what the Supreme Court does. Obama is working within the limits of the system...people just don't like what he is doing (some people...I like it just fine).

Do you think asking the Supreme Court to review a law is an impeachable offense?


4) Dr. Robert Weinstein, Rod Blagojevich and a host of
corruption figures in Illinois, many with ties to the
Middle East. The common denominator among all of these
corruption figures is Barack Obama. Obama has many long
time close ties to Tony Rezko and conspired with on or
more of Rezko, Levine, Weinsein and Blagojevich to rig
the IL Health Planning Facilities Board.


You can't impeach someone by the friends he has. Plus...first they would have to prove any wrong doing by any of those people...and then prove that Obama had any involvement with it. You simply can't impeach someone because you don't like his friends...and in this case most of them aren't even his "friends"...just his acquaintances. Still no proof of any wrong doing.

Do you think the actions of your "friends" is an impeachable offense?


5) Complicit in the act of killing hundreds of American
Military by continuing to support illegal wars that
were waged on a lie.


I'm so confused by this one. First you were unpatriotic if you didn't believe in the "war on terror"...and now it is Obama's illegal war. I wish he would stop all the wars in Afganistan and Iraq...but it isn't illegal. Bush started it on a lie...that doesn't implicate Obama. Once you are in something like that...it is hard to just pull out of it. I don't agree with how Obama has handled this one...but still can't impeach him just because I don't agree with it.

Do you think trying to fix a problem handed to you, and continuing a authorized "war" by congress is an impeachable offense? Has he done something illegal?


6) Non-enforcement of Immigration laws


People are deported every day...how is that non-enforcement? It is a big job...it has been an issue for a long time before Obama. It's not like he shut down ICE and the border patrol and said anyone can come in who wants to. I really don't understand this one either...he is doing as much as any president before him. That is not enough for some people and too much for some others. No crime though.

Do you think enforcing immigration laws the same as every other president and deporting people everyday...but not enough for some people is an impeachable offense?


7) Bailed out Bankers and Wall-Street to the tune
of Billions while Americans suffer in poverty with
no jobs and eating on food stamps. Yet allowed
fat bankers to take home millions in bonuses.


Actually Bush bailed out the banks and Wall Street...Obama passed the Stimulus and bailed out the auto companies. How can I take the OP serious when he doesn't even have his facts straight???

Well...this is just misinformation...but do you think Obama should be impeached because the actions of Bush
???


8) Forced Obamacare down our throats to make it
a law that ALL Americans have to purchase said
item and then bribed certain congressmen with
illegal kickbacks to get it passed.


Last time I checked...Obama didn't have a vote in congress to pass this bill. He signed a bill into law that was constitutionally passed in both the House and the Senate straight up...no reconciliation...no deem and pass...a straight up vote that passed a bill into law.

There were no "illegal" kickbacks...all the "deals" made were legitimate and pertained to the healthcare bill. Nothing illegal was done...and the deals weren't made by Obama anyway...they were made by Reid and Pelosi.

Even if they were illegal, which they weren't, how can the actions of Reid and Pelosi be used to impeach Obama???

Do you think it is an impeachable offense to sign a bill into law that was constitutionally passed by the house and senate???


9) Wasted Billions of dollars on stimulus
packages to stimulate the economy, meanwhile
the economy has only gotten worse.


The OP is just ignoring facts here. He says wasted...I say saved the economy. Tell all the road construction workers getting paid through stimulus money it was a waste...I'm sure the food they are buying their families with that money isn't considered "waste".

The economy has not gotten worse...it is recovering...every month it is getting better. And now finally jobs are coming back...slowly...but they are coming back.

So Obama helped save the economy...and we should impeach him over that?

Tell me...do you think the economy is recovering or getting worse? Either way...do you think Obama trying to help the economy is an impeachable offense?




So there you have it...I would be happy for anyone to disagree with any of my analysis of these "offenses" and show me where I am wrong.

There is a reason no one, not even the craziest of republicans like Bachman or Palin, have talked about impeachment...because they don't have ANYTHING they could even attempt to say with a straight face.


Thanks for the question...I hope my answers were sufficient



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by boondock-saint

Obama Impeachment Charges




I am asking congress to Impeach Obama
on the following charges.


Please can you show evidence that you have submitted the necessary documentation to Congress to commence impeachment proceedings?

PEACE,
RK



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh

Originally posted by Paradigm2012
I do not know anyone at all in my state or region who thinks Obama is doing a bad job.


You know everyone in your state/region? Or at least a majority of the people?


The facts tell us, meaning you and me that Obama has not lied or broke the law.






WOW! Do you actually read what people are posting in response to your spewings? "I do not know anyone at all in my state or region who thinks Obama is doing a bad job." Ok lets break that sentence down. I do not know anyone, see that right there is saying he does not personally know anyone that holds that opinion. What does him knowing or not knowing everyone in his state/region have to do with that?



[edit on 3-6-2010 by Procession101]



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by Paradigm2012


Here is another fact correction for you

READ IT AND WEAP,

Obama has a 47% approval rating







And yet again, you are wrong . . .


he Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 26% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president.

. . .

Overall, 48% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president's performance.

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posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by Procession101

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh

Originally posted by Procession101
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh
 


I'm not here to give you history lessons on how crooked our government is,


Then why did you bring it up? That is a fallacy. I am asking you to provide evidence of your claim. You do not give evidence, making it a bald assertion.

Back up what you say, or don't say anything at all.

A fallacy on a fallacy . . . wow



if you actually think Obama has done anything nearly as bad GWB though you need to sell me some of that stuff your using though. It's gotta be some good stuff!


Fallacy again. This is not about GWB's, Abraham Lincoln's, FDR's, Thomas Jefferson's, or George Washington's crimes. This is about Obama's crimes. Please stick to the topic at hand. I would be glad to visit a thread you make for the others, though.


So are you going to bring facts to the table, or not?


Alright so first you ask for proof about how corrupt our government is then in your next sentence you tell me to stick to the topic about Obama's "crimes, so which shall it be? *"Quote" provided above to avoid a "Fallacy"*


I asked you for proof for giggles only. I avoided trying to make you go off topic my suggesting you start another thread on it . . .



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh

Originally posted by Paradigm2012


Here is another fact correction for you

READ IT AND WEAP,

Obama has a 47% approval rating







And yet again, you are wrong . . .


he Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 26% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president.

. . .

Overall, 48% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president's performance.

Link






I posted Obama's real approval rating.

if you are upset over Obama being at 47%

then I helped influence you



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:47 AM
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I asked you for proof for giggles only. I avoided trying to make you go off topic my suggesting you start another thread on it . . .

your arguments are very weak and flakey

I am out debating you.

I could continue making you look silly but I have a job to go to.

Obama will win in 2012 by the way

so get used to your woes



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by Rigel Kent

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Obama Impeachment Charges




I am asking congress to Impeach Obama
on the following charges.


Please can you show evidence that you have submitted the necessary documentation to Congress to commence impeachment proceedings?

PEACE,
RK


---------------------------------------
Spoilsport!
"Patriots" ( right wing nuts) don't have to actually follow The Constitution!
Their uber-patriotism exempts them from actual law! They are so morally superior they are above the Constitution! Silly!
When the situation is so EXTREME ( a Democrat in office), they suddenly have more rights than the rest of us, and take it upon themselves to disregard all law and overthrow the government!
On behalf of The people, Thanks Patriots!



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:51 AM
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The poster stated:


we can see he is doing a good job

we all know he is doing a good job


I stated:





"We" as in the 26% that you are a part of?


The poster followed with:


I do not know anyone at all in my state or region who thinks Obama is doing a bad job.


The poster is trying to refute my point that only 26% of the population is doing a good job by saying that of all the people he knows, not one of them disagrees with Obama.

My rebuttal was meant to show that while what the poster said might be so, it does not mean that everyone in his state or region feels the same way.

I am sorry for any confusion I caused you.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:53 AM
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how can you impeach Obama if he has committed no crime or done any impeachable offense



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
reply to post by Procession101
 


The poster stated:


we can see he is doing a good job

we all know he is doing a good job


I stated:





"We" as in the 26% that you are a part of?


The poster followed with:


I do not know anyone at all in my state or region who thinks Obama is doing a bad job.


The poster is trying to refute my point that only 26% of the population is doing a good job by saying that of all the people he knows, not one of them disagrees with Obama.

My rebuttal was meant to show that while what the poster said might be so, it does not mean that everyone in his state or region feels the same way.

I am sorry for any confusion I caused you.


I do not think anybody is reading your posts.

I am not sure if you realize that your not impressing anybody



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by Paradigm2012


I asked you for proof for giggles only. I avoided trying to make you go off topic my suggesting you start another thread on it . . .

your arguments are very weak and flakey

I am out debating you.

I could continue making you look silly but I have a job to go to.

Obama will win in 2012 by the way

so get used to your woes

I couldn't agree more with you Paradigm, Im starting to think this guy was just trolling from the get go with his weak example links and over use of the word fallacy.

[edit on 3-6-2010 by Procession101]



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by Paradigm2012
. . .

your arguments are very weak and flakey


That may be so, but you have yet to refute any of them.


I am out debating you.


When did you debate me? All I read were fallacies . . . no facts at all.


I could continue making you look silly but I have a job to go to.


Have a great work day! I need to get ready for work as well! Ironic.


Obama will win in 2012 by the way


I highly doubt it, but that is neither here nor there. Nice way to end on a fallacy!



so get used to your woes


Never . . .

When one gets used to his woes, he becomes a slave.











[edit on 6/3/2010 by Lemon.Fresh]



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 11:01 AM
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Bribery:

"Whoever solicits or receives … any….thing of value, in consideration of the promise of support or use of influence in obtaining for any person any appointive office or place under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both." -- 18 USC Sec. 211 -- Bribery, Graft and Conflicts of Interest: Acceptance or solicitation to obtain appointive public office

"In the face of a White House denial, U.S. Rep. Joe Sestak stuck to his story yesterday that the Obama administration offered him a "high-ranking" government post if he would not run against U.S. Sen. Arlen Specter in Pennsylvania's Democratic primary."
-- Philadelphia Inquirer
February 19, 2010


Nothing was offered or promised. Options were discussed...one of those options would of required him to drop out of the race.

Oh...and did Obama make that offer?


Official Misconduct:


I already discussed the Blago link...the article ONLY talks about the mis-characterization of contacts of peopel in Obama's administration...nothing about Obama at all.

Your other link about ACORN is so LOL. Obama reprsented ACORN with a team of lawyers ONE TIME...is that all you got???


Abuse of Power:

"[I]t is a clear abuse of power to use such [Presidential signing] statements as a license to evade laws that the president does not like or as an end-run around provisions designed to foster accountability.

I will not use signing statements to nullify or undermine congressional instructions as enacted into law."

- Senator Barack Obama, December 20, 2007 (Boston Globe)


"However, provisions of [HR 2436] ... would interfere with my constitutional authority to conduct foreign relations by directing the Executive to take certain positions in negotiations or discussions with international organizations and foreign governments, or by requiring consultation with the Congress prior to such negotiations or discussions. I will not treat these provisions as limiting my ability to engage in foreign diplomacy or negotiations."

- President Barack Obama, June 24, 2009 (Signing Statement accompanying signature of HR 2436)


In a precise example of an "end-run around provisions designed to foster accountability", the President's signing statement is, in his own words of 2007, a "clear abuse of power" that reinforces the idea that business interests can turn off the lights whenever they choose -- or get their centrist President to do it for them.


So he made a naive statement in 2007 and found out that in the real world you sometimes have to play the game within the system that it is set up in.

Nothing illegal about changing your mind...and no abuse of power either. Keep trying though.


Breaking oath to Constitution:


This is the best and funniest one yet.

Obama targetted a "hit" on a citizen...or a terrorists...but you fail to mention that this "citizen" is planning on killing Americans. An enemy is an enemy...regardless of their citizenship. I seem to remember something about protectin from enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. Again...you got nothing...nothing at all.

You first link is a doozy...I'll list them out.


1)Bailouts
...
No money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law.


Well it is a good thing congress passed both the bailouts and the stimulus...huh???


2) Supreme Court

President Obama has expressed his desire to see his Supreme Court nominees embrace “empathy” in their decisions and opinions.


Oh no...he wants to appoint someone who has feelings...such a crime. No...it's not.


3) The Czars


LOL...you let Glenn Beck lead you on this one. Tell me...is Obama the only President to ever have "Czars"????


4) Government ownership in private business

The seizure of ownership of private business is unconstitutional. The government ownership of GM is unconstitutional. We’ve beat this horse to the ground. No need to say more.


How is Amtrak doing??? Didn't seem illegal then...did it?


5) Redistribution of Wealth


Ummmm???? Adjusting the tax code is quite legal and often done. Nothing illegal here...just more crazy ranting.


6) Health Care


Was passed legally...like it or not.


7) Interpreting the Constitution as a “living, breathing” _/ex]

Because it is.




You have proved NOTHING...it is just your OPINION.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 11:10 AM
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If a debate is to be based on facts then shouldn't there be some kind of factual basis by which the original claims are made?

1. No proof of complicity in the Blago scandal and U.S. District Judge James Zagel has denied the subpoena request made by Blago's defense team. Hardly seems like evidence of wrong doing, much less a conviction of guilt.

2. I haven't seen any proof that bribes were offered to anyone. Job offers are made to prospective politicians all the time and haven't been considered impeachable offenses in the past, at least not when they are made to Republicans. I didn't hear a word when Obama offered Jud Gregg an ambassadorship while he was running for office during the '08 elections. Not a word when Ronald Reagan did the same thing for republicans!

3. If this report is true, which I have serious doubts about just because the source listed is Fox news, Then I too am against the administration's position to exempt employers from being held accountable for hiring illegals. I think there should be mandatory jail time for employers who have committed such an offense.

Even though I don't agree with the administrations approach to the offense of hiring illegals, I doubt that it is an impeachable offense.

4. This one, IMO, is total garbage just like the web site it was derived from, Citizen Wells, Please! The Tony Rezko conspiracy is very old news and I haven't seen Obama charged, much less convicted, of any wrong doing whatsoever regarding this controversy.

5. I will be willing to discuss this one after George W. Bush is convicted for starting this war based on lies. I don't believe that anyone pledged to get us out of Iraq any quicker than Obama did and he has done nothing to show that he is doing anything other than attempting to get us out of there as soon as possible.

6. If you're going to advocate for the prosecution of those who won't or don't enforce immigration laws then I would suggest that you go after the nations law enforcement officer which would be Eric Holder. I was unaware that we elected Obama as a law enforcement officer.

7. Here you must be talking about TARP which I believe was orchestrated under Bush's watch. Again, a clear demonstration of your selective amnesia when it comes to republican initiatives.

8. Nothing was forced down our throats. We elected Obama to fix health care in this country and he did the best he could considering the obstructionist position adopted by the republican party in congress. On this point, in a democracy, majority rules and you lost the election so get over it. Oh yeah, if you really want to check out "back room deals," why don't you look up "Energy Task Force" in wikipedia. Again, not a word of impeachment when Bush created it after two weeks in office, appointed Cheney as it's chair and then claimed "Executive Privilege" with regard to FOIA request regarding the secret workings of said task force.

9. Our economy was in a nose dive since mid 2007 and every economic indicator predicted total economic collapse and possible depression. Most of this was avoided due to the stimulus package and Obama has reversed the downward economic spiral that we were in. Our economy may not be good but it's definitely not getting worse, talk about working with facts, Geeze!

10. Now this one is just too stupid to address. If you're still hung up on his birth certificate all I can say is that you might want to also consider growing a brain.

That's about as close to the facts as I can get considering that the thread contained no facts to begin with.





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