reply to post by indigothefish
Well thanks for a well thought out question...I'd be happy to answer.
Let's go through the "charges".
1) Complicit in the Illinois House Seat
Scandal with Blagovich, included in that
charge is Rahm Emmanuel his chief of staff.
What did Obama do in this case? The trial for Blago hasn't even started...all we know is that Blago wants him subpoenaed. The article given as a
source doesn't even suggest Obama did anything wrong. Here is the only place the article mentions Obama...and it is about members of his future
administration...not Obama himself.
Another possible wild card in Blagojevich's long-awaited trial that begins on Thursday is whether it will entangle Obama and his aides in
Illinois' hurly-burly political theater.
The trial, which is expected to last up to four months, may expose discrepancies in how members of Obama's future administration characterized its
contacts with Blagojevich after the November 2008 election.
Do you think that because members of his administration MAY have mis-characterized their contacts with Blago is an impeachable offesne for Obama?
2) Obama administration admitted using bribes
of White House positions to quell opponents
of the Obama Administration. To include offering
jobs to Andrew Romanoff and Joe Sestak to drop
Again...Obama didn't do this...it is possible some in his administration did. President Clinton is the only one that had direct talks...and Sestak
is his friend and they were talking about "possibilities". A political game...sure...a crime...no. Offering someone a job isn't illegal...no
where did they say "if you drop out, we will give you this job"...they talked about the possibility of a job that would require him to drop out.
It's politics...and in politics that subtle difference means everything. Nothing was promised...nothing was offered...options were
Do you think discussing options, not offering or bribing (no matter how many times Fox News repeats those words), is an impeachable offense when Obama
wasn't even involved?
3) Obama has just instructed the Supreme Court to
circumvent law by asking the court to carve out a
special exemption for businesses who break the law
by hiring illegal aliens
There is not one thing illegal about asking the Supreme Court to look at a law and seeing if special circumstances should be considered when applying
the law. That is what the Supreme Court does. Obama is working within the limits of the system...people just don't like what he is doing (some
people...I like it just fine).
Do you think asking the Supreme Court to review a law is an impeachable offense?
4) Dr. Robert Weinstein, Rod Blagojevich and a host of
corruption figures in Illinois, many with ties to the
Middle East. The common denominator among all of these
corruption figures is Barack Obama. Obama has many long
time close ties to Tony Rezko and conspired with on or
more of Rezko, Levine, Weinsein and Blagojevich to rig
the IL Health Planning Facilities Board.
You can't impeach someone by the friends he has. Plus...first they would have to prove any wrong doing by any of those people...and then prove that
Obama had any involvement with it. You simply can't impeach someone because you don't like his friends...and in this case most of them aren't even
his "friends"...just his acquaintances. Still no proof of any wrong doing.
Do you think the actions of your "friends" is an impeachable offense?
5) Complicit in the act of killing hundreds of American
Military by continuing to support illegal wars that
were waged on a lie.
I'm so confused by this one. First you were unpatriotic if you didn't believe in the "war on terror"...and now it is Obama's illegal war. I
wish he would stop all the wars in Afganistan and Iraq...but it isn't illegal. Bush started it on a lie...that doesn't implicate Obama. Once you
are in something like that...it is hard to just pull out of it. I don't agree with how Obama has handled this one...but still can't impeach him
just because I don't agree with it.
Do you think trying to fix a problem handed to you, and continuing a authorized "war" by congress is an impeachable offense? Has he done something
6) Non-enforcement of Immigration laws
People are deported every day...how is that non-enforcement? It is a big job...it has been an issue for a long time before Obama. It's not like he
shut down ICE and the border patrol and said anyone can come in who wants to. I really don't understand this one either...he is doing as much as any
president before him. That is not enough for some people and too much for some others. No crime though.
Do you think enforcing immigration laws the same as every other president and deporting people everyday...but not enough for some people is an
7) Bailed out Bankers and Wall-Street to the tune
of Billions while Americans suffer in poverty with
no jobs and eating on food stamps. Yet allowed
fat bankers to take home millions in bonuses.
Actually Bush bailed out the banks and Wall Street...Obama passed the Stimulus and bailed out the auto companies. How can I take the OP serious when
he doesn't even have his facts straight???
Well...this is just misinformation...but do you think Obama should be impeached because the actions of Bush
8) Forced Obamacare down our throats to make it
a law that ALL Americans have to purchase said
item and then bribed certain congressmen with
illegal kickbacks to get it passed.
Last time I checked...Obama didn't have a vote in congress to pass this bill. He signed a bill into law that was constitutionally passed in both the
House and the Senate straight up...no reconciliation...no deem and pass...a straight up vote that passed a bill into law.
There were no "illegal" kickbacks...all the "deals" made were legitimate and pertained to the healthcare bill. Nothing illegal was done...and the
deals weren't made by Obama anyway...they were made by Reid and Pelosi.
Even if they were illegal, which they weren't, how can the actions of Reid and Pelosi be used to impeach Obama???
Do you think it is an impeachable offense to sign a bill into law that was constitutionally passed by the house and senate???
9) Wasted Billions of dollars on stimulus
packages to stimulate the economy, meanwhile
the economy has only gotten worse.
The OP is just ignoring facts here. He says wasted...I say saved the economy. Tell all the road construction workers getting paid through stimulus
money it was a waste...I'm sure the food they are buying their families with that money isn't considered "waste".
The economy has not gotten worse...it is recovering...every month it is getting better. And now finally jobs are coming back...slowly...but they are
So Obama helped save the economy...and we should impeach him over that?
Tell me...do you think the economy is recovering or getting worse? Either way...do you think Obama trying to help the economy is an impeachable
So there you have it...I would be happy for anyone to disagree with any of my analysis of these "offenses" and show me where I am wrong.
There is a reason no one, not even the craziest of republicans like Bachman or Palin, have talked about impeachment...because they don't have
ANYTHING they could even attempt to say with a straight face.
Thanks for the question...I hope my answers were sufficient