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posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 07:56 PM
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reply to post by mazzroth
 


to her credit, she does not wish death upon them back while they keep saying that she will be next. I have to admire the peaceful quality of her in that moment.

I would respond to that one guy's question by saying that because I know for certain that certain terrorist acts were false flag, I would have to look at the facts before I decided to blame one side or the other. So even though Israel may have a history of being targeted, there is no doubt that they have held a strong arm the entire time. The Palestinians may be antagonizing somewhat, but this is a battle between chairs and wooden poles and machine guns and helicopters.




posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 08:28 PM
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[edit on 4-6-2010 by Chevalerous]



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 08:35 PM
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Decided to just read the OP and skim past the many arguments that spawn from it, but how many "Israel never does anything wrong" threads do we need along with the hate ones? Didn't even have to get very far to see the "They want to kill Jews for no reason" line either. I mean, no one can ever hate another country's government without having to attack a certain religious group right? It's just such a weak argument. Then people will just throw out their "proof" of someone who does hate said group and there is their proof that everyone wants them wiped out.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 08:37 PM
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reply to post by Matrix Rising
 


Did you actually read what I said and responded to what I said, or are you stuck on an infinite loop?

I can do that also, I will keep replying the same post until I get a direct reply to my post. You just repeated the same gibrish as before, which has already been taken care of in my post..

..and reply to it fully:

reply to post by Matrix Rising
 


STOP talking about the aid and Fatah.. Hamas was chosen Democratically, who the heck chose Fatah?

Why do you suppose Fatah lost the election?

>Corruption?

And who the hell is keeping Fatah in power? The Western powers?

I can't be bothered editing this so here eat it:

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101
 




Hamas (حماس Ḥamās, an acronym of حركة المقاومة الاسلامية Ḥarakat al-Muqāwamat al-Islāmiyyah, meaning "Islamic Resistance Movement") is a Palestinian Islamic organization with a socio-political wing[5][6] and a paramilitary force, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades.[2][3] After winning 76 of the 132 seats in the Palestinian Parliament in the January 2006 Palestinian parliamentary elections,[7] and defeating rival Palestinian party Fatah in a series of violent clashes, since June 2007 Hamas has governed the Gaza portion of the Palestinian Territories.


Israel has divided Hamas and Fatah for a reason, to keep the Palestinians separated, so that they don't call for an independent state.

The US is arming Fatah:


The US plotted to overthrow the democratically elected Hamas government in the Palestinian territories, documents obtained by Al Jazeera reveal.




But, when that plan failed, the US set up an operation to fund Fatah fighters and drive Hamas out.
In Cairo, Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, justified the arming of Fatah, saying the situation had called for it.

The US doesn't care about all out civil war, the US serves its own interests and the interest of Israel, Palestinian lives don't matter.



The US has openly supported Fatah and after Hamas seized control of Gaza in June 2007, the US announced an $80m funding deal for Fatah's security services in the West Bank.


It is a sick game they are playing with people's lives.

The problem is not Hamas, the problem is Israel and its arrogance.

The problem is not the rockets, the problem is the occupation.

The problem is not the rockets, the problem is the settlement expansions.

The problem is not the rockets, the problem is the continuous war crimes committed against the Palestinian people, the harsh treatment, the restricted movement, the blockade etc etc.

You can't just blame everything on the rockets, they throw rockets for a reason.

Why would a weak force like Hamas want to fight a strong force like Israel?

You have to think open minded.

Have a good night.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 08:38 PM
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Hey, im not sure if you misunderstood what I was saying, but basically thats what I was trying to get at. I agree with everything you said, inlcluding the "Islamic Palestinians being the Judea Jews of yesteryear." And your right, Palestine is pretty much Israeli territory because it's pretty much completely surrounded, however whatever land they have left is still technically Palestine. I personally could care less what country is called what, what ethnicity is called what, we are all humans in this world and we are all brothers. We all deserve peace and safety.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 08:42 PM
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Go to France. Go to the places where the poor Muslims live. Might as well call them death camps. You either become a terrorist and get killed somehow, got to jail, or get deported.

Go to Australia. See the race riots no more than a few years ago against Muslims?

Go to America. lol, I do not even have to say more.


The facts are all nations are barbarians. The only redeeming factor is that over time people get to some standard above slavery in thew west. That's why they are better.

The whole world, every nation, has, and still does, commit horrible acts against humanity. There is not one innocent nation. None at all.

And it is that reason why I'd support Israel over Palestine. Because when all th world is a bunch of ravaging murderous Satans, and you're forced to chose a side, you're better off choosing the free thinkers over the dogmatic primitives.


And for the numerous time now I will repeat my example. Common sense supersedes law. Logic supersedes law. When a boat with the title Gaza Freedom has a vector going to gaza and is in violation of your blockade. Common sense dictates action. I would like an official report on how many ships there were and if it was only one who went on.

Now. If I was on a boat on the guns of a US warship, and saw a plane with the title "Mecca Die!" or something, and it had a vector going to Mecca, and was close. That baby is going down. I really could care less about international waters, let alone international law. War sucks. War is evil. Legislating war is like saying "Oh, if you dance the dance, you can kill anyone!"

Screw that. You don't get a special pass.

Even more, it's a fact that you need advanced technology to follow those laws. So all you end up having is an extreme form of rich versus poor in war. In generates Barbarianism versus civilized. And all that does is pull the civilized into being indifferent with the barbarians.

That's why Rome fell, btw.


The facts are simple. When all are Satans, chose the Satan that's slightly better.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 08:48 PM
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The Palestinian people could have had a Peace deal that would have given them 91% of the West Bank, the Gaza strip and East Jerusalem, but misery pays more than Peace.


That is a lazy way of looking at the situation, as I said previously, who is keeping Fatah in power?

Who is keeping that corrupt government in power? It is obvious the Palestinians don't want them.

Who is arming them?

Israel and the US.

Peace is not reachable because the Zionists don't want peace, hence the continuous settlement expansions, the continuous occupation, the continuous illegal blockade > [the home made fireworks] are in result of those aggressions towards the Palestinian people.

If you have the power to treat me like #, and you do treat me like #, I'll smash your face and knock your teeth off with every chance I get. I will use any weapon to get free from your aggression, I will use any means necessary.

The Zionists know, (the longer they treat Palestinians like #) > (the more resistance) > (the more reason they have to treat Palestinians worse than #) > (the more reason they have to not give Palestinians a state.)

It is an easy formula.

Don't blame Fatah, because Fatah doesn't represent the Palestinian people, get it? >

You are useless at defending Israeli crimes, get a new hobby> To tell you the truth I might open a thread and defend Israeli crimes, because most are doing such a lousy job, it is as if they are intentionally trying to make Israel look bad, and intentionally trying to make those who defend Israel look stupid. Yes I'm talking about you, you make Israel look bad.



[edit on 3-6-2010 by LittleSecret]



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by chaosinorder
I dont hate the Israel people or jews. But i hate their zionist agenda. American government and Israel government are like Dr.Evil and mini Me in Austin powers. I dont mean the Americans or Israelis. Their governments.


So, you hate the agenda of Jews having their own homeland and self-determination?



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 09:26 PM
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There is a difference between hating a government and hating the people forced to follow that government. You have no argument to support yourself so you just pull out this BS to try and make it look like this person hates Jews which they stated they didn't.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by LordTacos
reply to post by DoomsdayRex
 


There is a difference between hating a government and hating the people forced to follow that government. You have no argument to support yourself so you just pull out this BS to try and make it look like this person hates Jews which they stated they didn't.


There is no argument, these are brainwashed people, all they can say is "anti-semite", "anti-semite", "anti-semite", "anti-semite", "anti-semite", "anti-semite", "anti-semite", "anti-semite", "anti-semite", "anti-semite", "anti-semite", "anti-semite", "anti-semite", "anti-semite", "anti-semite", "anti-semite"...

In a low grunty voice, now everyone say that together like you see in movies.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 09:31 PM
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Chaosinorder stated he hates the Zionist agenda, what about that agenda does he find disagreeable? What about it do you find disagreeable? And why?

[edit on 3-6-2010 by DoomsdayRex]



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by LittleSecret
There is no argument, these are brainwashed people...


And that is your response. Instead of responding with any sort of cogent argument, you issue a summary dismissal.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 09:39 PM
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Yeah, he did say he hated the Zionist agenda. Is that the same as hating Jews, no. Does every single Jew follow Israel's Zionist agenda, no. That's why I say there was no reason to insult him like that.

I don't expect everyone who disagrees with America's agenda to hate me for no reason because it's not what I believe but I live here so I am forced to accept what they do.

Now if someone were to say, "I hate Judaism and all those who support it" I wouldn't care if someone called them a Jew hater.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by LittleSecret
There is no argument, these are brainwashed people...


And that is your response. Instead of responding with any sort of cogent argument, you issue a summary dismissal.


Nope >go up this page and read my posts > then go page 7, 6, 5.. press control + f to find my name..

It makes it much easier, then if you have any questions hit me back. Don't hit me back with white phosphor please I beg you, it burns.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 09:56 PM
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The OP makes a very good point, I think if we all just put away our predjudices and then concentrated on the facts we would all see that this middle east thing cannot be solved by laying blame.
Israel exists and Palestine Exists with all the ongoing problems this creates.
I do not know the answer and I can see that palesinians are suffering but what do you think would happen to Israelis if they were weakened and the surrounding nations capitalised on this?
Holocaust no 2 perhaps?
After long balanced thinking on this subject Iam of the opinion that Israel needs continued western support , or else the middle east is there for the Chinese and Russians taking.
Israel is morally and strategically our best ally in the region.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 09:57 PM
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Originally posted by LordTacos
Yeah, he did say he hated the Zionist agenda. Is that the same as hating Jews, no. Does every single Jew follow Israel's Zionist agenda, no. That's why I say there was no reason to insult him like that.


I did not say he hated Jews or accuse him of being an anti-Semite. You are assuming that. I am asking him a question, a pertinent question. What does he mean by Zionism? Because what he is saying and what he means may be two very different things.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 09:58 PM
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I'll say it again. Both states are officially democratic. Both peoples elected their government. There are hardly innocents left in those lands. They are getting just what they voted for. Let them learn the hard way then.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:02 PM
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Yeah, I re read what you posted and I misinterpreted "So, you hate the agenda of Jews having their own homeland and self-determination?" as in "agenda of Jews"

But it is still different because Israel is just following an extremist Zionist agenda, not really working for Jews as a whole. And what I typed can still go to those who think Jews=Israel.

[edit on 3-6-2010 by LordTacos]



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:09 PM
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While many things are kinda bad in some places you also exaggerate a lot because some things you say are made recently and are just an artificial illusion reality manufactured for you to believe and made by wicked people and evildoers in suits.

First! you can't compare with what countries HAS done before in time long ago and think your country's crimes are justified NOW because of that.

Listen mate! it's 2010 we are suppose to be grown up mature western nations by now - we can't continue to behave badly just because someone else did just that 70 years ago - or 237 years ago, that's just silly!

Now they have finally managed to stir up with bullying tactics a dormant hornest nest and have manufactured new enemies and pissed off almost every nation on this planet against each other!

AND WTF!! YOU WANT ME TO PICK SIDES!?


LOL!

[edit on 4-6-2010 by Chevalerous]



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
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I'll say it again. Both states are officially democratic. Both peoples elected their government. There are hardly innocents left in those lands. They are getting just what they voted for. Let them learn the hard way then.


Where is the other state?

I think you just made an assumption that Palestine is a state, or Gaza is a state.

It is not, if it was, Israel's criminal record would quad ripple.

That is the exact reason why they are feeding Fatah with weapons and money, to fight Hams, so that they are divided, and so that they may never get an independent state.

Hamas was elected, Fatah, I just don't know, who elected them? The soul reason why they lost because Palestinians knew they were corrupt, but ofcurse it is only corrupt governments who do the biddings of the powers.

Israel needs to end the occupation, end the blockade, end the settlement expansions, destroy the wall, admit its wrong doings of the past hence war crime, so that there maybe peace.

Why would the Zionists want peace? What do they have to gain from peace?





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