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Originally posted by MessOnTheFED!
reply to post by mnemeth1
Negative sir. I have paid my dues and worked very hard to get where i am today. I have put myself through college and now have an excellent job. And i did it all on my own. But that dosent mean that im going to go all high and mighty on everyone. I can grasp that some people arent as fortunate as me and i certainly dont mind helping them. You would have everyone that is less fortunate than you living in the gutter as you walk by in your Vercace (SP) overcoat. That is sickening.
MessOnTheFED!
Originally posted by hawkiye
Originally posted by MessOnTheFED!
reply to post by mnemeth1
Well if you would just pay your taxes you wouldnt have to worry about these "guns". Its hard to believe that if there were no government, people would freely pay for things such as roads and schools. Even though every person In america needs both of them. If everyone in a country needs something then why not have a governing body to take care of the whole aspect of it..... o wait we do duh. the government!
MessOnTheFED!
Hey everyone needs food too so I should just get a gang together call them government and steal food from you and anyone I choose to feed others right... Oh wait we already have that...Sigh!
Why is it so hard for people to rap thier minds around the fact that stealing from folks against thier will to provide for others is still theft? Why will no socialist on this board answer me when I ask what they have against making all thier programs voluntary? Are you afraid people will not be charitable enough and that justifies continued theft from people against thier will to support your beloved programs?
Has anyone considered that our society is crumbling because it's foundation is force theft and fear as in government stealing the fruits of our labors against our will through fear of being imprisoned or even killed if we resist such force?
[edit on 2-6-2010 by hawkiye]
Originally posted by MessOnTheFED!
reply to post by mnemeth1
Exactly what makes you think that i dont donate? Even tough i do i realize that it isnt enough. Thats why i dont cry like a baby about having to pay taxes.
MessOnTheFED!
Originally posted by MessOnTheFED!
reply to post by hawkiye
Your absolutely right! What the hell was i thinking? If they cant afford to feed themselves they should deffinately starve. Sounds like someone need to get their butts off of their shoulders.
MessOnTheFED!
Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by negativenihil
When government is not there to subsidize something, its price will drop until the market can afford it.
[edit on 2-6-2010 by mnemeth1]
Originally posted by hawkiye
Originally posted by MessOnTheFED!
reply to post by hawkiye
Your absolutely right! What the hell was i thinking? If they cant afford to feed themselves they should deffinately starve. Sounds like someone need to get their butts off of their shoulders.
MessOnTheFED!
So your saying starving people cannot be get fed without government theft?
Of course that is a false argument because it insinuates that starving people cannot be fed without government theft. However thank you for illustrating my point. You believe that if someone is starving you are justified in using force at the point of a gun to steal from someone else to feed them!
Of course we fed the poor in this country for nearly over a century without any government theft but you just ignore that fact.
Originally posted by MessOnTheFED!
reply to post by hawkiye
You and your buddy with the "gun" remarks really make me lol. Im saying that if you have a starving family anywhere in the USA there should be someont to help them be fed. If that means some asshat gets one less lambchop on his dinnerplate then so be it.
MessOnTheFED!
Originally posted by ProjectJimmy
I'm just going to go on record and say right now, if someone is starving and someone else is hoarding a surplus of food, I do believe it is justified to go at gunpoint and take the surplus from the hoarder. If this is a matter of life and death, absolutely in a heartbeat.
I value life far more than I value property rights.
Originally posted by MessOnTheFED!
reply to post by mnemeth1
so are you saying that we are a free society and a violent totalitarian dictatorship? What are you getting at?
MessOnTheFED!
Originally posted by firsttimecaller
You mean like farming subsidies?
prices will drop all right, right after the population, the whole system is supported by subsidies. It does need to change though, and there are some pretty cool people working on changing the way we farm, in the states there's
this guy Joel Salatin
while I agree with you that the way things are run are wrong, and people everwhere are taken advantage of by dirt bags, I do not belive tossing the baby out with the bathwater is the best plan.
Political leaders of both parties have appropriated billions of dollars to subsidize major agribusiness corporations to destroy food; the latest appropriation was $14 billion. They call the process “bio-fuel” or ethanol production, but because the amount of fuel produced is less than the amount of fuel it takes to produce it, the only correct term for the process is systematic destruction of the food consumed in the process. Agribusiness giants include Archer Daniels Midland, whose income was $44 billion last year, are subsidized to burn up America’s surplus food (mostly corn), while they carry out their principle business, marketing the remaining food which is made more scarce, expensive, and profitable in the process. Congress has created over us the first nearly foolproof, open-ended, food monopoly. This finacial scam is to big and too well sheltered not to come from the highest level of banking and politics.
Alright here's a Socialist that will answer that question for you right here!
It's not theft because it is agreed upon by the social contract that you enter into by taking part in a given society.
I am not just afraid that people would not be charitable, I am in fact certain of it. Taxation is a method to ensure the re-distribution of funds (hey yep I said it and I'm not going to deny it or back down, I am FOR some wealth re-distribution.)
People can be greedy and quite selfish, individualism to the extent that Anarchist Libertarians take it to is dangerous because of the massive number of people that will be crushed under the greediest and least ethical of our world.
You will be rewarding the worst aspects of humanity.