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BREAKING: Natalie Holloway Suspect Joran Van Der Sloot Accused of Peru Murder

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posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 06:01 AM
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Theres 2 threads on this now, I wonder how many more will pop up. This is what I wrote on the other (soon to be pulled no doubt)

Well done, I have followed Natalie Holloway ever since the tragic time in Aruba. I am convinced that he did with the help of those Kalpo brothers. Maybe now that he has lost his dad and friends he will go all out and confess everything. This little prick needs to be taught a thing or two whilst he whiles his life away in a peruvian prison. Karma bites back




posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 06:04 AM
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Originally posted by franspeakfree
reply to post by jfj123
 


Theres 2 threads on this now, I wonder how many more will pop up. This is what I wrote on the other (soon to be pulled no doubt)

Well done, I have followed Natalie Holloway ever since the tragic time in Aruba. I am convinced that he did with the help of those Kalpo brothers. Maybe now that he has lost his dad and friends he will go all out and confess everything. This little prick needs to be taught a thing or two whilst he whiles his life away in a peruvian prison. Karma bites back


Good post !
I agree with you completely except I hope the US extradites him so he can sit in one of our prisons. Oh and wouldn't it be nice if someone mentioned he was an admitted pedophile? I'm just saying



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 06:18 AM
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ya know,,,why dont you just say he is innocent,,,??

Sounds as though he confessed and you still dont buy it...

I also read mutiple versions of the story...

Am I shocked?

No.

The media will run with any story/theory.,,thats quite commom...

so what if some thought he beat her to death with a tennis racket or a baseball bat,,,they were assuming and probly not a bad assumption either,,,

They said there was blood coming from her ears and nose,,,I imagine it was far more than a normal nose bleed.

So someone makes the assumption she coulda been stabbed,,,
duh????

Afte 48 hours the facts are starting to come to light,,,

as for the phone call,,,,who cares????
he also was reported dead/suicide also,,

And not seeing him on the video telling hotel staff to leave "his girl" alone while he was leaving??

Have to wait on that one,,,does that throw up a red flag?

NO..

Now,,,with his confession,,Im sure alot more facts will be coming to light..

So your betting on the wrong horse trying to make a conspiricy outta this scumbag..

And Im sure they'll have prrof and facts besides his confession..

And yes,,this is ATS,,,but not everything is a conspriricy,,,and you have every right to your opinion.

Im sure we'll all know more rather quickly here,,,

reguardless eitherway,,,you wont be satisfide,,,

well,,im glad they got the peice of scum,,,And I sure as hell aint going to waste my time thinking he could be innocent,,,,,

you can and his mom,,,





[edit on 8-6-2010 by oldvet66]



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 09:37 AM
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Why are you convinced that the Kalpoe brothers helped him. I strongly suspect that Van der Sloot's dad was involved in the disposal of her body.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 12:07 PM
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on dutch radio they just told :
probably remains of nathalee holloway found (not confirmed yet)

edit : the source for the dutch radio seems to be the peruvian (gossip) newspaper and site La República
it seems they used the old news from march 2010 that nathalee was found by a diver

divers think they found nathalee


[edit on 8/6/10 by voorbereid]



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 02:40 PM
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The confession Joran made means he'd get a lesser sentence, which is quite clever if you think about it. He was looking at a sentence of 35 years... but due to this confession it's a minimum of 6 and maximum of 25 years. The prosecutor thinks that Joran confessed to get a lighter sentence, so the confession could be bogus.

If I think he's innocent? I don't think he's a good guy, and he should have been jailed for what he did to Natalie(whether he did the killing or not). But I am quite sure there is something very strange about this situation.

The facts still are strange. She was buried 1,5 days after she was found. Meaning they should have known the cause of death days ago(so couldn't be disputed), because her father got the autopsy report. Based on this autopsy report he revealed she was stabbed to death(which Joran, it's claimed at least, told his online poker buddy via the phone). And she had a lot of bruises on her right arm.

So, if you think it's normal for many different causes of deaths being mentioned, after her father claimed this was from the autopsy report, then you're just trying to ignore the facts. The police even claimed he used the baseball bat, which he was spotted with at the casino(proof?) and then they claimed they found the murderweapon in the room, which changed into a tennis racket. You don't think it's weird how the police keep changing the cause of death?

Also, police in Columbia are investigating 2 missing girls, where Joran van der Sloot is now a suspect in, since he was in Columbia at the time.

Plus just wondering... does Alabama have a death sentence? Because extradition does seem highly likely in the future.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by crafty_gnome
Well hopefully they can make the charge stick. However from what we've seen everything that's thrown at him slides right off, and he gets away scot free.


Somehow, things seem to go differently when a pampered son of the elite goes to another country and doesn't have his supporting cast available to save his skin.

Say what you want about George W. Bush, but he knew enough not to go to other countries - he stayed where his daddy had influence (CIA directors aren't just random picks) and could make drunk driving, coc aine and AWOL investigations go away.

Our boy Joran is learning the hard way that he isn't privileged. Unfortunately someone else had to die.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by Mdv2
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Why are you convinced that the Kalpoe brothers helped him. I strongly suspect that Van der Sloot's dad was involved in the disposal of her body.


Reason being is that they allegedly all had sex with her, according to all her friends and family this was entirely out of character, she struggled they ended up killing her possibly via strangualtion and then Joran called his dad. Without a shadow of doubt my gut feeling tells me that it was Jorans dad who dumped the body. If you (general) look in to the entire case you will see how his dad smuggled jorans cell phone in to the jail so that he could tell joran what to say. The vandersloots were very powerful figures in Aruba until this event.

Oh yes lets not forget the Kalpos changed their story more than once!



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 03:14 PM
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Flores was killed exactly five years to the day that Holloway disappeared as an 18-year-old Alabama high school student on vacation in Aruba.

Read more: www.nydailynews.com...


Sometimes these things have a way of rectifying themselves, a physical sense of Karma and boy am I relishing in it for Natalie.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by franspeakfree

If you (general) look in to the entire case you will see how his dad smuggled jorans cell phone in to the jail so that he could tell joran what to say.



From what I remember of the undercover video, Joran said that he asked his dad for a mobile phone because his cell mate wanted one. It was to more or less get protection inside. But he told it like it was a nice memory... laughing about it, because the mobile phone only had about 10 gulden credit, which is hardly anything.

Yes, his dad did smuggle a mobile phone in, although you'd wonder how much trouble this would have been, but the way Joran tells is it was a pretty clumsy situation where his dad got him a phone with hardly any credit(which he needed to pay for protection in jail).

But Joran does know what to say and not to say.. which he obviously got from his father. Which is why I think he said he dumped Natalie in Bubali plas(a swampish location), with his father most likely mentioning this location in an old case where the police refused to investigate due to this being a protected piece of land which cannot be disturbed.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 03:34 PM
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well,,,well,well,,,,

here you want facts and are digging for the truth yet you say....

"If I think he's innocent? I don't think he's a good guy, and he should have been jailed for what he did to Natalie(whether he did the killing or not). But I am quite sure there is something very strange about this situation. "

and now we got the media telling what his sentence will be,,,yet they conflict the whole story,, yet you like to play it both ways,,,to your conspiricy theory???

he'll only do 6 years,,,lol,,,

I assume his council will be at a dead end alley saying the spoiled rich brat needed the 1000 bucks and needed to do a quickie kill,,

give me a break,,,

we are dealing with what ifs,,,,

maybe they offered special isolation or safety for him,,,,

highly unlikely they said admit to it and your outta here in 6 years,,,

and no clueless one,,we quit the death penatly for extortion if it swithin a 3-7 year sentences,,,lol if this wasnt so pathetic...

and you throw in 2 more missing girls in Columbia,,to add more mystery and a previous poster from Dutchville add Peru is adding headlines/radio broadcast of the last search for Natalee,,,

Oh yes,,,it was you,,,different handle,,,,same style to your posts you make...

your sick

Joran your buddy is a ghost,,,

Play on,,,the guy is toast,,,,


6 year sentence,,,(I dont think so so),,,,

The whole city would attact the prison....

Go entertain yourself,,,


The sick scum is a walking ghost...


This thread is done for me,,,go be confused yourself and worry,,,



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 03:54 PM
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I responded to your claim that I thought he was innocent. Genius
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And for your information, there is a difference between manslaughter and pre-medidated murder, also in the sentence. 6-25 years for manslaughter and 35 at most for pre-medidated murder.

By him confessing to manslaughter, his sentence would between the 6-25 years. Which is a clever thing to do if you know you'd go down for murder which a sentence of 35, especially in this case, being a possibility.

Now stop being a daft pillock.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by EGO84
But I am quite sure there is something very strange about this situation.

What is strange is vanderscum.
From what I've read, there is A LOT of evidence to directly link him to the most recent killing and additional evidence to now link him with natalies death.
In addition, he tried extorting money from the holloways.

I haven't seen anything to suggest he isn't guilty.


The facts still are strange. She was buried 1,5 days after she was found. Meaning they should have known the cause of death days ago(so couldn't be disputed), because her father got the autopsy report. Based on this autopsy report he revealed she was stabbed to death(which Joran, it's claimed at least, told his online poker buddy via the phone). And she had a lot of bruises on her right arm.

Is there any evidence to suggest his confession was coerced ? Remember he did confess to killing her because of what she saw on his laptop about what he did with natalie holloway.


So, if you think it's normal for many different causes of deaths being mentioned,

Yep. In the medias haste, initial reports tend to contradict themselves. You see it all the time.


Plus just wondering... does Alabama have a death sentence?

I hope not. I want him to rot in prison. Hopefully in a prison where he's treated like an animal so he suffers. I'd like to see his misery go on for decades.

On a side note, I believe that it will come to light he was involved in an underground sex slave industry. And if that is the case, what he said about selling natalie may be true.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 05:27 PM
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Yeah but the police confirmed she was stabbed to death... I can understand her neck being broken and Joran grabbing the nearest thing to bash her with(which could be a baseball bat or tennis racket). But was she stabbed or wasn't she? Because this was confirmed by the police at the start of their investigation.

The thing I still don't get, is why she went to his hotel room in a very sad state. Didn't really seem like they were having the chemistry you'd expect of a couple going to a hotel room. Any ideas? Why did she agree to go to his hotel room?

Plus I've read some quotes from her father about the days she was missing, which made no sense at all!!!

There are just too many questions with no answers... which have not been raised by the media.



posted on Jun, 8 2010 @ 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by EGO84
Yeah but the police confirmed she was stabbed to death...

YES.


Stephany, 21, was found on May 30 in his room in pool of blood. She had been stabbed and severely beaten with a baseball bat found in the hotel room.



I can understand her neck being broken and Joran grabbing the nearest thing to bash her with(which could be a baseball bat or tennis racket). But was she stabbed or wasn't she?

She was stabbed.

Because this was confirmed by the police at the start of their investigation.

Correct.


The thing I still don't get, is why she went to his hotel room in a very sad state.

Sad or drugged....????


Didn't really seem like they were having the chemistry you'd expect of a couple going to a hotel room. Any ideas? Why did she agree to go to his hotel room?

Drugged ???


There are just too many questions with no answers... which have not been raised by the media.

Such as ?



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 02:57 AM
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Ok, so you quoted a source which said she was stabbed to death and beaten with a bat.

But the confession he gave, was that she hit him and he then strangled her to death until her neck broke. The confession is one self-defense(as reported by the police). And then he grabbed his bags and left. See what I mean? The whole baseball bat and stabbing story has been dropped for a few days now.

Ok, she could have been drugged and explained her state. But again... is there any source to claim this? Because I know they found pills in her car, but they haven't explained whether she was drugged. There is an autopsy, which they did within 24 hours so she could be burried 24 hours later(on thursday). And she wasn't allowed to be cremated due to the investigation(does that mean they'll dig her up at any time they feel the need to?)

Well the thing I don't trust is her father. What he claims is that she normally returns home quite early, so on sunday he was very worried. He proceded to call his son and they went looking for her. At the casino they told her she was with this nice boy who looked like Brad Pitt. He claims this made him feel a lot easier. They proceded by contacting the police who gave the father Joran's social security number, and they checked hotel security camera's to confirm she was with him. This is how he reported it at least.

But the thing that puzzle's me is... if you're that worried about your daughter...and you find out who she is with... and in which hotel she is, why stop there? They claim they(her brother's wife) found the Joran was the main suspect in the Natalie Holloway case an hour before they found the body. But I don't get how the Peruvian police can give his national security number and not be aware of who this guy was, crappy police work?

But the thing that freaks me out the most, are some of the quotes about Natalie Holloway. Where he says that his daughter was an instrument for getting justice for Natalie(like that's the thing we should care about). I can honestly tell you, in that case I would only care about one thing, my own daughter, because she's a victim!

It would not suprise me at all if her father would gain a lot of financial backing from America for the 2011 election. And who knows, he might end up being the president of Peru some day now.

Conspiracy? There is always a possibilty of one... but it could also just be a very simple case.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 02:58 AM
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O yes, I forgot to add that the baseball bat story was a load of crap. The police confirmed there was no truth in this. Which is weird seeing how one official said it and then the other denied it.



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 05:16 AM
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Originally posted by EGO84
Ok, so you quoted a source which said she was stabbed to death and beaten with a bat.

But the confession he gave, was that she hit him and he then strangled her to death until her neck broke. The confession is one self-defense(as reported by the police).

What are you talking about? Self defense?


The whole baseball bat and stabbing story has been dropped for a few days now.

No it hasn't been dropped. I'm seeing it all over tv.


Ok, she could have been drugged and explained her state. But again... is there any source to claim this?

No. I want to be completely clear about this. The drugged thing is just speculation on my part just as you claiming she was sad on your part.


Because I know they found pills in her car, but they haven't explained whether she was drugged. There is an autopsy, which they did within 24 hours so she could be burried 24 hours later(on thursday). And she wasn't allowed to be cremated due to the investigation(does that mean they'll dig her up at any time they feel the need to?)

They might if they feel they need to re-examine the body. My guess is that they don't want this piece of garbage to get away so they're taking extra precautions.


Well the thing I don't trust is her father. What he claims is that she normally returns home quite early, so on sunday he was very worried. He proceded to call his son and they went looking for her. At the casino they told her she was with this nice boy who looked like Brad Pitt. He claims this made him feel a lot easier. They proceded by contacting the police who gave the father Joran's social security number, and they checked hotel security camera's to confirm she was with him. This is how he reported it at least.

I haven't read some of this yet. Would you mind posting a source?


But the thing that freaks me out the most, are some of the quotes about Natalie Holloway. Where he says that his daughter was an instrument for getting justice for Natalie(like that's the thing we should care about). I can honestly tell you, in that case I would only care about one thing, my own daughter, because she's a victim!

Again could you post a source.
And maybe this is his way for his daughters death to have meaning ???



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 06:23 AM
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I think I'll start a topic about the whole possibility of it being a fix, although I'll go through the entire history from cnn and other newspapers such as from the Netherlands (as the sources, and nothing else). Although I'll be quite busy the coming days.

But a quick question...which papers/media are you following?



posted on Jun, 9 2010 @ 12:46 PM
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CNN BREAKING NEWS-- FBI paid Joran van der Sloot $25,000 to probe plan to extort Natalee Holloway's mom, law enforcement official says.



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