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BREAKING: Natalie Holloway Suspect Joran Van Der Sloot Accused of Peru Murder

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posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by paxnatus
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Excuse me? I don't see anyone making ignorant statements on here. This is a forum where people are allowed to discuss their opinions and throw around their ideas.

Don't be so arrogant! You have an opinion good for you. But until you can back up your opinion with evidence it remains just that, an opinion.

I think we "Americans" are a lot smarter than what you presented in this post. Van Der Sloot is a psychopath. He is being played as the patsie by "Mr. Big" whomever that may be. he has a lot of protection we know that otherwise he would be rotting in a prison cell.

If you have anything to offer other than he is getting paid by the media to entertain us ,by all means, please do I think everyone at this point would be open to hearing from you esp. since you are Dutch.

My best friend is from Rotterdam so I know a thing or two about the Netherlands, and you are wrong in your statement. Joran did confess to killing Natalie and then retracted his statement.

Be kind otherwise you give Amsterdam a bad name.




Pax


He never claimed to have killed Natalie in the hidden camera show. Fact!
I like Americans... but the Americans reacting on this forum seem pretty biased and pretty poor informed.
Like I said... I'm not Dutch... I been brought up here.
And I live in Rotterdam and Amsterdam already has a bad name.

If you're insulted by my comment, I apologize since I don't mean all Americans.

But facts remain... he confessed to knowing what happened, not murder.




posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 09:57 AM
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This case is getting strange,,,

i just found this news article on the victim,,,

Its says she was a lesbian,,,Now dont get any wrong ideas here,,,I dont care in the least if she was,,,
I wonder if there was some type of money involved here,,,
Im at a loss for answers,,,,

One thing for sure,,,he is on the run,,,(if not dead?),,,,

www.whas11.com...

[edit on 3-6-2010 by oldvet66]



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by EGO84


And even though he's officially Dutch... he's been raised like a person from Aruba... which is really different.


Does the average Aruban commit these types of crimes? I think not, or they wouldn't have a tourist industry.

He might have been raised in Aruba, but this smacks clearly of a spoiled brat, who thinks he's entitled to get away with anything.

I think the average person from Aruba, might take strong offense to your generalization.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:02 AM
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I never stated there was anything negative/positve about being Aruban or been raised like one. Just adding information so people can understand what type of person he is. It's not an insult. But why you take this as one is beyond me.

But anyway... an update

the AD, Dutch newspaper, claim Joran admitted to this murder to one of his pokerbuddies, via the phone. And he told Jaap(the guy that got Joran in the media in 2009) that he was considering suicide. Seems Joran has been going nuts and wanted mediaattention.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:05 AM
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Not sure if my post went through. Some news websites are stating he is dead. Apparent suicide. Reports of his body being found near Peru border. Anyone else heard anything?



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:10 AM
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Not sure about her guilt or innocence----just trying to impress upon the fact that Peruvian prisons aren't a picnic....



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
Joran is perfectly capable of comitting this crime by himself. He's a sick psycho and i dont know why some think there is some other involvement.

In his sick mind he wants to be caught. Yet he is playing cat and mouse with authorities. He checked into the hotel under his own name. Either he's too stupid, crazy, drugged up, or wants to play a game before going down.

I dont know whats so hard to think he is doing all this.


Hey dg,

He couldn't possibly be doing all of this by himself. aYes he is a psychopath definitely. But to have escaped such a high profile case with out any penalty whatsoever? Come on.

Then he murders a well known racers daughter in Peru? By the time they find her body he has skipped the country? Go back and read my post about the sex slave industry in Holland. They use a "guy" close to the victims age to lure them in. Then they are sold as heroine addicted prostitutes into slavery. This is a true story, I am not making any of this up.

He is some criminally insane KID!! Of course he is being helped while on the run. He won't commit suicide either because of his narcissitic characteristics which fall right in line with psychopathic personality.

They will kill him soon. But I believe there are powerful players involved here.

I value your opinions so please don't take offense to what i am saying.

Thanks,
Pax



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:39 AM
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When you talk about the sex slave industry in the Netherlands, do you mean the imports or the loverboy thing?



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:44 AM
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If he is in Chile or Argentina, maybe we can fly the Israeli's in? and let them do their trick again
...Cause our justice and enforcement couldn't take him in even after the " confessions" on camera...I guess the lady shared the buy-in with Joran at a poker game and he killed her after he won some nice hands and they got into a fight about the profits.. ?



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by Foppezao
If he is in Chile or Argentina, maybe we can fly the Israeli's in? and let them do their trick again
...Cause our justice and enforcement couldn't take him in even after the " confessions" on camera...I guess the lady shared the buy-in with Joran at a poker game and he killed her after he won some nice hands and they got into a fight about the profits.. ?


It is the media that impressed upon us his innocence.

Greta's exact words: I am inclined to believe he is innocent. Three of the four heads in the flyquadrant concurred. FOX had him lighted with a halo, literally, and his hands stayed to his thighs, some good coaching there. It was sickening. Using FOX, Taco warned the world that he was coming after anyone who said they thought joran was guilty in the Holloway case. It was like seeing lucifer in control of your remote.

Then when joran got loose with the truth while being taped in that car, the media seized the opportunity to demonize a natural anti-inflammatory agent. Again, it was nothing they couldn't handle. You see what happens when kids touch this stuff? They go around fantasizing about sick stuff they normally would never think of!

I can't imagine what sort of life Joran could be expected to have, after the Natalie disappearance and his involvement. Pimp and slave trade, gambling...of course. He knows things that could have got him silenced. This one seems messy, even by JVS standards.


It's funny how the lattices of power work. I feel as if I am imagining this, but I thought it was said that Beth was dating (dating) the ramsey dad. I am getting that Beth's media coverage was misinterpreted as some sort of distress signal that was open ended. Perhaps joran misinterpreted the signal as well? I shudder to announce what I am thinking. Who can say.

It is said that the victim is being buried this afternoon. I hope this doesn't mess up the forensics. There are rumors the suspect has been caught, alive. I'll be surprised if that's true.


[edit on 3-6-2010 by davidmann]



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 11:08 AM
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I haven't read all of the posts, yet, but do you think he was possibly framed? It's just all so messy! I would think that if he was going to kill her, he would be much more sneaky, than to check into a hotel in his own name, be seen on camera with her, etc. Also, the date she was killed was the same date that Natalee disappeared. It just doesn't add up! It sounds like someone is setting him up! I can't imagine him committing suicide. He just seems too narcissistic for that! I do think he is probably a sociopath. He doesn't seem to have a conscience, and I think he has hate for women.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by Blueangel7
I haven't read all of the posts, yet, but do you think he was possibly framed? It's just all so messy! I would think that if he was going to kill her, he would be much more sneaky, than to check into a hotel in his own name, be seen on camera with her, etc. Also, the date she was killed was the same date that Natalee disappeared. It just doesn't add up! It sounds like someone is setting him up! I can't imagine him committing suicide. He just seems too narcissistic for that! I do think he is probably a sociopath. He doesn't seem to have a conscience, and I think he has hate for women.



Although its 5 years after Holloway, this one is not intended beforehand, or whatever you call it...
He sure could learn a thing or two from Dexter...



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 11:41 AM
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A few things:

I don't think Van Der Slut is dead. We would have heard more by now, since the first Tweet was posted early last evening.

It doesn't matter if the Peruvian victim was a lesbian or not. There is evidence that Van Der Slut used rape drugs, since they were found in the car. When you're drugged, you're drugged. He may have met her at the poker tournament, put some drugs in her drink while chatting....

I do find it weird that her body wasn't found in the hotel room until Wednesday, since VDS checked out Monday morning. Maids clean everyday. Did they skip that room? Have they interviewed the maids? Why would it take two days to find the body?

We do know that VDS has used another party to try to contact his lawyer. His lawyer said as much yesterday---that someone contacted him in regard to VDS. If VDS is innocent, why is he running? Why is he trying to contact his lawyer? Could be he doesn't want to turn himself in in South America (who would?) guilty OR innocent.

I do admit something is fishy here.....but it's hard to give VDS the benefit of the doubt. He exhibits a pattern here that doesn't look good.

His lawyer is already all over this, though, planting seeds of doubt in the public's mind.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 11:45 AM
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well,,,,we all have opinions here i must say that,,,,and this is shocking to say the least,,,

Theres not much we can play on at the moment,,,

I personally dont think he was framed,,,

why kill someone else to pin a murder on someone,,just kill him,

during the Natalee Holloway case he made a few different types of confessions,,(he obviously had something to do with it),,

Some here say he was a pimp to get sex slaves,,,,now my common scense tells me one could find a way way way to find much easier victims,,,I havent seen anything thant convinces me..
The guy is real stupid and a complete idiot,,,
Most mobs are clever and have some smarts,,,and i cant see them recruiting this idiot,,,

It could be he wanted to have sex and she refused,,,he turned into a killer then,,high on drugs maybe,,,just like with Natalee???

I think he's a thick headed spoiled nut case brat with some serious mental issues,,,
The authorities seem to have gone way beyond that vandersloot is a person of interest,,,They say he's a prime suspect,,,and the father says they have enough proof that they know he did it...

he is on the run BIGTIME,,,,

I cant figure out any scenerios on how he could be framed???

Its possible he may just have some serious mental problem and it caught up with him again

And others have posted he is a Pimp of such who lures women into a trap,,,

He looks like a doorknob,,stupid idiot,,,If i were a mobster/mafia,,,I wouldnt want this idiot working for me,,,

Well,,,all we can do is wait for any upsdates,,,

Its a strange case here,,,

eitherway,,,on how it looks,,,he obviously knows something about it again just like the holloway case,,,,



[edit on 3-6-2010 by oldvet66]



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 11:57 AM
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I agree on that,,for at the moment that he's not dead,,,

Yea,,,this guy is definatly on the run,,,

Now the police said there was a horrific struggle and blood all over,,,Im sure the sicko got rid of his cloths,,,shoes,,,etc,,,
I sure hope she tride to fight back,,,get some DNA evidence,,,but Im sure he disposed of his cloths,,,etc,,,or they were stolen of course

I agree,,he doesnt want to be extradited to peru,,,and try his best to get out of south america,,

As for his lawyer,,,from the get go he was critizing the case and supporting vandersloot,,,few hundred thousand dollars in his pocket,,,
I wonder if his lawyer will advise him to not keep changing his story this time,,,

It doesnt look good for him in the least,,,



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 12:24 PM
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According to CNN, Joran has been apprehended in Chili!!! Yay for Natalee's family and the family of the most recent victim!



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 12:29 PM
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And here is the link to that story.

Makes you wonder if he killed somebody along the way to make it look like he commited suicide. Hmmmm!

news.blogs.cnn.com...

Wonder who is going to get him outta this one?



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 12:44 PM
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This guy is just plain and simple a scum bag. He doesnt deserve any type of sympathy from anyone. He is a coward, he not only kills females but then runs. Its bad enough IMHO to hit a woman let alone kill one. I think whatever they give this guy is too good. He needs to be set aside alone in a hole for days and days without food and water, when he is getting close to death give him some food just to elongate the suffering. If there is any evidence he did sell Holloway into some type of sex slavery thats what they need to do to him. Send him to one of these backwoods third world tribes where the girls boobs hang to their feet and dont get to wash properly and make him have sex against his will there. Maybe we could send him on a date with Kiff and Ltn. Zap Branigan where he crash lands the restaurant into a planet of large amazonian women who listen to a large "fem-puter" (who bender will later seduce) that will sentence him to DEATH BY SNOO SNOO! sry to get off topic couldnt help but make a futurama joke...maybe not a good thing to mix pop TV jokes with such a dark story...sorry guys...in any event this guy needs to die, just wiped off the face of the earth so he can not hurt anyone again!



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 12:46 PM
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I was just posting this same story, as I had put the link in the other thread moments, ago.

I hope justice is served in the case of now 2 young women, and but then curiously, is the story out earlier that he'd been found dead along the border?

Makes you wonder if he killed some other traveler along the way, to deflect.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 12:49 PM
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He is now in the custody of the Carabineros de Chile


Carabineros +1
Korps Politie Aruba still at 0 as usual

I wonder what will happen after he is tried in Peru for the murder of Stephany Flores, will he be extradited to Aruba/the Netherlands should he confess to murdering Natalee Halloway? Which country would get custody of him?



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