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Israel rejects calls for independent probe

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posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 02:41 PM
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It is amazing to me just how antisemetic ATS has become. We are supposed to look past the main stream media and judge based on common sense, scientific proof, and non emotional logical responses, in order to find the truth to a problem. As far as Gaza and the israelis are concerned, it is a simple fact that 90% of all Israel attacks against the extremist anti-west, anti-jew, anti-women, anti everything non-islam are retallitory. If mexico, based on some idealistic, fundamentalist, sadist religion, was lobbing missles into Missouri, (thousands a year) I would hope to god that my govenment would strike back ten times harder and not only wipe out the man who launched the missles, but his enite neighborhood/ town that not only supported but applaused the carnage. If someone lobs a proactive missle that lands on a three year old in my neighborhood, I hope my government uses white phospherous, sub-nuke bombs. or what ever else they decide will make the point "If you attack us again we will wipe every single one of you off the planet."
-Dreamwalker74




posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 03:16 PM
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Unless you live in Israel, you have no idea how hard it must be. We are spoiled walking around in our home towns, eating at our favorite restaraunts, going out to see movies, working in our jobs in our daily lives. We get a wake up call occasionaly through some terrorist attack that is thwarted. If all these attemps were not thwarted we would be in the same shoes as the Israelis, waking up each day wondering whether today was the day that I will be wiped out by an islamic extremist that was simply pissed off that our women didn't wear burkas, or that women are legally able to have sex outside of marriage, much less multiple partners if they please. Or god forbid you drink alcohol or for that matter, make a cartoon that encomposes allah in any way. We can not fear that ideolligy or for that matter change our lives based on this 2400 year old religon that would see us back in the dark ages. AMERICA NEEDS TO BE THE LAND OF ENLIGHTENMENT. through our freedoms we need to teach the rest of the world that a different life not based on religeous slavery can in fact exist



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by dreamwalker74
It is amazing to me just how antisemetic ATS has become. We are supposed to look past the main stream media and judge based on common sense, scientific proof, and non emotional logical responses, in order to find the truth to a problem. As far as Gaza and the israelis are concerned, it is a simple fact that 90% of all Israel attacks against the extremist anti-west, anti-jew, anti-women, anti everything non-islam are retallitory. If mexico, based on some idealistic, fundamentalist, sadist religion, was lobbing missles into Missouri, (thousands a year) I would hope to god that my govenment would strike back ten times harder and not only wipe out the man who launched the missles, but his enite neighborhood/ town that not only supported but applaused the carnage. If someone lobs a proactive missle that lands on a three year old in my neighborhood, I hope my government uses white phospherous, sub-nuke bombs. or what ever else they decide will make the point "If you attack us again we will wipe every single one of you off the planet."
-Dreamwalker74


Explain to me how questioning the illegal blockage of Gaza is "antisemitic"?

Explain to me how questioning the illegal boarding of a sovereign flagged vessel in international waters, and the murder of at least 9 civilians is being "antisemitic"?

Explain to me how the kidnapping of 700 civilians in international waters by Israel is being "antisemitic"?

I constantly hear the same rhetoric from Israeli sympathizers about the rockets "lobbed into Israel". More people die every year from choking then do from these feared "rockets". Yet the IDF responds constantly with disproportionate force. "Fire a rocket at me and I'll bomb your home with an F-15". "Kill one Israeli and we'll kill 1000 Palestinians".

Gaza is an open air concentration camp right now. Plain and simple. Israel is no better than the Nazi's were.



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 03:27 PM
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Are you a real person or a bot ?

Just asking ?



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 03:52 PM
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Oh, I am very real. Do you live in Gaza, Palestine, Iran? I'm truly curious. Have you ever been on the recieving end of a terrorist attack? To ignore the goals of the islamist extremist is suicide. As far as the "700 civilians taken prisoner" I am pretty sure that the US and Britan have taken far more than that ito custody that have inended harm on the U.S. Are you an Islamist? If so you already realize that there is a common organized goal to wipe out western civilization and encompass us in a muslim based form of islaimic slavery. If not I would ask you to visit the middle east, and by all means bring oyur wife, so you can see the realiy of the problem. They do not accept you, they do not accept me, If you are not islamic they don't even accecpt you if you are a sympahizer. The simple fact is they laugh at you. I know it would be real nice for the underdog in this situation to be right, but they have a very different agenda set up for you



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 03:52 PM
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Oh, I am very real. Do you live in Gaza, Palestine, Iran? I'm truly curious. Have you ever been on the recieving end of a terrorist attack? To ignore the goals of the islamist extremist is suicide. As far as the "700 civilians taken prisoner" I am pretty sure that the US and Britan have taken far more than that ito custody that have inended harm on the U.S. Are you an Islamist? If so you already realize that there is a common organized goal to wipe out western civilization and encompass us in a muslim based form of islaimic slavery. If not I would ask you to visit the middle east, and by all means bring oyur wife, so you can see the realiy of the problem. They do not accept you, they do not accept me, If you are not islamic they don't even accecpt you if you are a sympahizer. The simple fact is they laugh at you. I know it would be real nice for the underdog in this situation to be right, but they have a very different agenda set up for you



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 04:19 PM
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This brings up another very interesting point. How many of the respondents on this post are from the iddle east? I know that ATS is global. All this talk of BOTS, does this come from here or the middle east? Just curious.. you want to talk about conspiracy, this is definitely one to focus on. WHO ARE THE PEOPLE WHO CLAIM THERE IS NO ISLAMIST TERRORIST STRATEGY? when we get nuked, which is more likely than plausible, how many people will dissapear from this site?



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by dreamwalker74
It is amazing to me just how antisemetic ATS has become. We are supposed to look past the main stream media and judge based on common sense, scientific proof, and non emotional logical responses, in order to find the truth to a problem. As far as Gaza and the israelis are concerned, it is a simple fact that 90% of all Israel attacks against the extremist anti-west, anti-jew, anti-women, anti everything non-islam are retallitory. If mexico, based on some idealistic, fundamentalist, sadist religion, was lobbing missles into Missouri, (thousands a year) I would hope to god that my govenment would strike back ten times harder and not only wipe out the man who launched the missles, but his enite neighborhood/ town that not only supported but applaused the carnage. If someone lobs a proactive missle that lands on a three year old in my neighborhood, I hope my government uses white phospherous, sub-nuke bombs. or what ever else they decide will make the point "If you attack us again we will wipe every single one of you off the planet."
-Dreamwalker74


Just because one disagrees with Israel's policies or actions does not make them anti-Semitic. Nor if one disagrees with Obama's policies does it make them a racist. You are using extremist points that really add nothing to the situation in question. However, since you have been active within this thread, perhaps you should evaluate your statements more closely.

You state that if a 3-year old was killed from a missle from Mexico (their ideaology or reason for doing so is immaterial to the point) you advocate wholesale slaughter of other 3-year olds? Is your 3-year old in Missouri 'better' than the Mexican child that you want to "wipe...off the planet"?

Retaliation is circular and can be applied to either side of the argument. How do you know that the guy that just launched that missile into Israel did not just bury his 3-year old from an Israeli bombing run? How do you know just who is right and who is wrong?

We can only judge an action on its own merit but when you start trying to apply motivations to individual actions without knowing everything involved, you become part of that same circular motion. Somewhere, someone needs to break that cycle, not perpetuate it. Unfortunately you seem to prefer the latter and that only creates more of the same.



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 04:34 PM
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Been away from here for awhile,and wow,things have gotten heated around here.

I've read ALOT of posts about this Israel stuff.
And I think people are missing the main point.

People were killed by the actions of a government's decision,period.
And it dosent matter if they are jews,christians,hindus or what have you, it was wrong!
And I dont care if it was Israel or Canada who did this,they should be investigated and something should be done about it,based on the findings.

Israel is just a country,like any other.
None of this should be based on the fact that Jewish people live there.
it shouldnt matter if a person worships smurfs,in the end we are all the same,humans.

Israel,like any other country should be held responsible for their actions.
And that dosent mean they should have war brought upon them.
The average person living there shouldnt have to pay the price for a careless government.

I think people forget that when they are calling for war against Israel,lots of people are going to be effected by it.
Something needs to be done about the way things are going in general.
What you might ask? I dont have the answers,but more killings and war solves nothing.

Just brings about more death.



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by dreamwalker74
Oh, I am very real. Do you live in Gaza, Palestine, Iran? I'm truly curious. Have you ever been on the recieving end of a terrorist attack? To ignore the goals of the islamist extremist is suicide. As far as the "700 civilians taken prisoner" I am pretty sure that the US and Britan have taken far more than that ito custody that have inended harm on the U.S. Are you an Islamist? If so you already realize that there is a common organized goal to wipe out western civilization and encompass us in a muslim based form of islaimic slavery. If not I would ask you to visit the middle east, and by all means bring oyur wife, so you can see the realiy of the problem. They do not accept you, they do not accept me, If you are not islamic they don't even accecpt you if you are a sympahizer. The simple fact is they laugh at you. I know it would be real nice for the underdog in this situation to be right, but they have a very different agenda set up for you


1. Yes. I live in NY. September 11th ring any bells?

2. Wether the US or Brittan have taken prisoners has nothing to do with this situation. Its a simple childhood rule, two wrongs don't make a right.

3. You speak of people being anti-semitic and then you talk about how Muslims want to enslave the world. Double standard much?

4. Muslims don't accept me? Are you saying Israelis accept me? Hmm lets see:









I rest my case



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posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 04:56 PM
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The whole point is to react strongly to an enemy attack period, there is no better deterrent to future attacks then a show of force that the enemy was not expecting, and unfortunately if innocents citezens are killed in the process. That is the way the world works. For example: You are so hard core over your religon you decide that the canadians are leaning far too left for your happiness. So in responce under your fanatical religious ideas, you bomb them, starve, or decide to all out take out Canada. This is very similar to what is currently being done. The extremist islamists are trying their damndest to destroy everything that is western in every way possible. I am a freedom loving american, Sharia law can not and will not by the pont of every weapon I own (encluding a butter knife if I run out of everything else) exist in this country. I will never ignore,n or be talked out of determining an enemy. Our government is so weak at this point we need to be very aware of this threat, otherwise look to burkas in the future.



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 04:56 PM
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The whole point is to react strongly to an enemy attack period, there is no better deterrent to future attacks then a show of force that the enemy was not expecting, and unfortunately if innocents citezens are killed in the process. That is the way the world works. For example: You are so hard core over your religon you decide that the canadians are leaning far too left for your happiness. So in responce under your fanatical religious ideas, you bomb them, starve, or decide to all out take out Canada. This is very similar to what is currently being done. The extremist islamists are trying their damndest to destroy everything that is western in every way possible. I am a freedom loving american, Sharia law can not and will not by the pont of every weapon I own (encluding a butter knife if I run out of everything else) exist in this country. I will never ignore,n or be talked out of determining an enemy. Our government is so weak at this point we need to be very aware of this threat, otherwise look to burkas in the future.



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 05:05 PM
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You stated "That is the way the world works",thats BS!
The world has no set guidelines or blueprints.
What you should have said is,unfortunatly thats how "some" people work.

The world as a whole,is mostly good people.
Although most wouldnt know that,cause thats not what people choose to focus on.
The bad ones always get the most attention and in the process overshadow the good peoples efforts.

And not to derail this topic,but how come I dont see many topics or threads about the genocide being commited in Darfur?

As that truly outweighs anything israel is going through.



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 05:10 PM
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Yes it would be as independant as the Independant police complaints commite we have here in the UK, it's double talk like the patrot act in the USA and does the oposite of what it says it does.

These bankers are two steps ahead of the Sec/Fsa and pay large bribes to keep it that way so just who can anyone rely upon to be impartial to both sides.

9/11 should had taught most better than to trust those in power to get anything right and even when they are caught lieing about WMD in iraq the only one to get punished was a doctor that went for a walk and never came back.



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 05:13 PM
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God I wish you were right. And in the case of Iran, you may be. Unfortunately in Syria, Pakistan, and many other Middle eastern nations, it is truly the will of the people that drives the governments in the directions that they go. The majority of Muslims overseas believe whole heartedly in Sharia law and bow down to the governments that require it. the world is a very different place than we have been taught or that reason can justify. Never underestimate ideology, espescially one as old as islam. Many christian religons are in trouble because science is repalcing christian knowledge. Muslims can not allow this to happen because it is the source of their government and their power. Very good reason for seperation of church and state, "The civilization can continue to exist and prosper despite the religeous changes in society."



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 05:19 PM
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I can see your point.
And it may be the case.
But why is Israel the worlds focal point?
If im not mistaken,dosent Israel fly the montra "Never Again"?
And the world seems to eat it up.
But then again the same world turns a blind eye to whats happening in Darfur.
So never again is only good if your from Israel and a jew?
And it dosent apply if your black and poor?
The world hasnt come to their aid,and they are falling victim to the same hate that Israel is being oppressed by.

The only difference is,Israel has nukes and can defend themselves.
Israel should either stand or fall by its own actions.
There are more pressing concerns in the world that need attention.



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 05:28 PM
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I am not saying that individual isralies are not extremists. Some are period. but if we ignore the threat posed by islamists and sharia law we are missing the ideology that will eventually wipe us out. No hands are blood free in this, but there is a continuing ideolligy and religeon that wants nothing more (if you are a westener) than to see you dead as an infidel. there is no case closed in this. I will protect myself and my country from those who specifically want to kill me, my children, and my countrymen. Right now the Israelies do not fall in that category.



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by dreamwalker74
Oh, I am very real. Do you live in Gaza, Palestine, Iran? I'm truly curious. Have you ever been on the recieving end of a terrorist attack? To ignore the goals of the islamist extremist is suicide. As far as the "700 civilians taken prisoner" I am pretty sure that the US and Britan have taken far more than that ito custody that have inended harm on the U.S. Are you an Islamist? If so you already realize that there is a common organized goal to wipe out western civilization and encompass us in a muslim based form of islaimic slavery. If not I would ask you to visit the middle east, and by all means bring oyur wife, so you can see the realiy of the problem. They do not accept you, they do not accept me, If you are not islamic they don't even accecpt you if you are a sympahizer. The simple fact is they laugh at you. I know it would be real nice for the underdog in this situation to be right, but they have a very different agenda set up for you



I asked if your a bot because we are experiencing an upsurge in new members the past few days all spewing the same bs.

Anyway to answer your queries.... no I am not from ME. No I am not Muslim, or extremist.

I'm Scottish/Irish. I have experience of terrorism ... IRA/UDF

That problem was fixed through dialogue.

I have friends and relatives who are from ME/muslim and they are very welcoming. None of them suppoort extremists from any quarter.

The UK is a multicultural society where 90% of people get along. Sure we have some extremists but by and large they get to say what they want then go home and watch football.

The biggest thing that annoys folk in UK is that our troops are in Afghanistan doing what ? They want them brought home. Hopefully that will happen soon.

Now let me ask you ..... do you live in Israel ?

Ok that explains a lot. You see what you don't know is that your psycho government bombards you everyday with propoganda which tells you that everyone else is out to get you..., especially Muslims.

Now it's not your fault, it's what you've been told since you were a whippersnapper .... but you know if you were to come and stay in the UK for a bit you would discover a whole new world where everyone just gets along.

There is actually no need to live your paranoid life trapped in the dillusion that the world centres around you. The honest truth is nobody gives a sh1t about Israel... except for the fact they are currently the most dangerous country on earth.

Do yourself and your family a massive favour and get out and learn a bit about the rest of the world for yourself and stop listening to the crappola you are being spoonfed.



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 05:34 PM
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What other probe is needed? The facts are very clear. Israel put up a blockade and said their were serious. Some fools tried to test it. They got their deserts as Israel promised. There is nothing more.



posted on Jun, 2 2010 @ 05:34 PM
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What is happening in Darfur is Horrible, along with many other nations across the world where genocide is running rampant. Should the U.S. step in to stop all of it? Yes, quite frankly we should. But look forward to the attacks against the U.S. For every military conflict we engage in. We are either going to be the saviour of the world or we are going to ignore it. If you did not accept us taking out saddam hussein than you should not complain about Darfur. We either do it all or do nothing, your choice.



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