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Affirmative Action Programs(AAP) were set up in tumultous times, to bring equallity in the workplace and educational institutions, for minorities and women. This concept is a good one, but has the ideal come to fruition? I will be showing, in later posts, that AA has not achieved its goals. Also that in some cases has actually done more harm than good. Back to you, Ycon.
"You do not wipe away the scars of centuries by saying: 'now, you are free to go where you want, do as you desire, and choose the leaders you please.' You do not take a man who for years has been hobbled by chains, liberate him, bring him to the starting line of a race, saying, 'you are free to compete with all the others,' and still justly believe you have been completely fair . . . This is the next and more profound stage of the battle for civil rights. We seek not just freedom but opportunity—not just legal equity but human ability—not just equality as a right and a theory, but equality as a fact and as a result."
Has AAP done any harm? Notice what the same study reveals about AAP's.
"Under strong preferential treatment, decisions are based solely or primarily on demographic status. For example, merit is not measured, an unqualified minority is selected, or the less qualified minority applicant is favored. Some authors refer to this condition as discrimination in reverse. In most cases quotas would fall in this category because they require the selection of a certain number or proportion of minorities regardless of qualifications." So a person works hard to get an education, works hard in the employ of a company, and if the company employs quotas for AA, a promotion that should be to the deserving candidate may go to someone else. This is out of your control. You've already done your part, became educated, exemplary work, unrewarded. Would this garner resentment in an individual? Even if you agree in equallity? It would in me. In this way AAP's may actually be a step backward, as a person that wants equallity see that it doesn't exist. One less voice for equallity. How often does that happen? Certainly moving in the wrong direction.
Pretyy good debate. Could have been a bit better with more research bit it was enough. Ycon made the best argument in my book so she gets my vote. Good job by both participants.
Although two posts were forfeited for some reason (Ycon's opening statement and intrepid's third argument), this was still a very good debate. Maybe it's me, but I failed to see how intrepid's second argument supported his position. The quote from the Chronicle of Higher education supports Ycon's position and intrepid didn't do enough to tackle it.
Intrepid had a good argument that he didn't use enough: "There are alternatives to AA, viable solutions to actually achieve our goal of equallity [sic]." If he would have given examples and showed that there is no need for AA, he probably would have won.
In the end, I have to go for Ycon.
Give this wide a palate to paint on, both the Pro & Con arguments can choose their respective niches & pwerdrive home their points; neither really did that. Without the COn picking that all important niche to shape the debate, it was a 'give away' of sorts to the Pro argument: topical, surface skimming supporting arguments were ample and easy to reference.
Had the Con argument chose to expand on early the "alternatives to AA" that were alluded to in their closing, it would have been a different decision.
First time I saw "two fouls" in a thread: kind of like a couple boxers jock hunting & losing points!!
Well done to both of you, it was a very interesting read and I enjoyed it very much. However, I felt Ycon had the edge in this debate, but intrepid you should be proud of your contribution. Thanks both of you.
Technically, I found YCON had a better approach with his/ her strategy - the inclusion early on of a timeline of (US) legislation was very useful to me (as a Brit!) and I noted that Intrepid had one post forfeited - never a good position to be in (especially as YCON forfeited his/ her openning statement). I would have liked both debators to state their word counts but that is just a personal foible of mine.
Both debators are to be congratulated on their use of English and grammar - clearly they had both taken pains to write in a word processor to eliminate typo's and spellings etc. There was an attempt by both parties to answer one anothers previous posts, which kept the debate "flowing".