This is an interesting notion,,is it possible ???
I have to compliment you on your 'enhancement' Autowrench,it's bold and imaginative.
I'm very much like you,a car lover who spent far too much time under the bonnet of my car,or others.Modifying the engines particularly but the whole
car too.I went to college and did engineering so I feel wholly able to critically examine your ideas,experiments and results,the debunkers too. and
come to some conclusion !!!
Perhaps it's the generation of hydrogen in the engine bay that makes people dismissive along with the countless accounts of people claiming to run
cars on water alone but lets think about this objectively !!
12-15 years ago I had an escort van,battered looking and rough with a high mileage diesel that I ran on diesel while feeding butane into the intake to
promote much more powerful and complete combustion.It cut my fuel use in half,power was significantly increased aswell.Then there's nitrous or water
injection so clearly feeding in hydrogen is a good idea.
Howabout Hydrogen Electrolyisis then ??
I can imagine there's people reading this will have their doubts because of the amateur nature of making the hydrogen generator For many who open the
bonnet there's plastic boxes,hoses everywhere,computers and the first step in finding a problemis to plug in a code reader to tell you.So the days of
being able to work on your car may be before the time of lots of drivers today.
Certainly in the day of ECU's and diagnostic fault finding the very notion of creating something this effective,apparently seems unbelievable (well to
those of us who didnt tune our old motors from bits n pieces from the scrapyard !!).
A generator from metal,water and glass jars :~)
Why not,glass is a great medium.Strong and inert it's ideal.I remember doing electrolysis in school with glass beakers and old carbon anodes/cathodes
and it certainly produced a torrent of gas.Then there's the curse of the free energy devices we here about so much which don't every work but people
see this that way.Don't see why,big battery,to run the generator before starting.A feed from the alternator to maintain generation is the obvious
The big argument that HHO works simply due to the engine running so lean,WHAT !!! - the quoted figure meant to demonstrate this was an afr of 9~1 when
stoich is 14~1.The engine wouldnt run lean,it wouldnt run and if it did it'd be knocking to hell and barely avoiding dying.
It was claimed if it worked why remove the o2 sensor or adjust the MAP sensor yet the expert debunker didnt seem to understand he'd thrown the very
reason as proof it couldn't work,namely an air/fuel ratio of 9~1.The o2 or lambda sensor monitors the amount of oxygen in the exhaust but that will
have changed with the fueling.Add to that extra o2 because now it's burning HHO,hydrogen and what ?? - oxygen.If the ECU will try and increase the
fueling,by way of longer opening times/duty cycle and more than likely take a fit before too long and go into LOS !!!
One of the parameters the ECU needs to know is engine load which is measured in this example by the MAP sensor.It's also essential to calculate the
So either the whole concepts a fantasy or that the missing part of the air/fuel ratio has to be replaced with another combustible gas/vapour ~ like
hydrogen.As for the fantasy or reality I see nothing here to doubt what Autowrench has claims.
The time,thought,experience,ingenuity,and understanding that has gone into making this work.Then to continously adapt,modify and experiment to improve
it (not only initially but still after 2 years !!) is inspiring.
Literally inspiring !!.I'm the product of this old school mechanics love of tuning/modifying that taught me not just simply how to diagnose faults
with things like a vaccum guage or my eyes n ears.lol.
Well I will be taking a stroll down this route myself.I'm interested to see what improvement I can get in my nicely warmed over toyota 4-cyl 1796cc 16
valve vvti motor.The modern European/Japanese I4 twin cam engines are normally high compression and lean running and a knock sensor as they do run
close much of the time.
I'm not too sure how our higher revving engines will take to running on HHO or which way it'll take to it so want to sit down and number cruch it
before doing it but if it can happily run without knocking then i'll br happier.
It's OBDII compliant which means it has 2 oxygen sensor,one infront the box and rhe other behind but there would be away around that !!
Am going to gather up supplies over the next few weeks to start building my own .And go through the numbers in public, using my sums to work ouiff HHO
*** Would just like to say a big thank you to Autowrench for this highly informative,inspirational thread and having the grace to put it out
here,working it,refining and learning by mistake .You didnt have to share it with us,who'd have blamed you for forgetting it when people with 'some'
knowledge of engine management and fuelling tried to rubbish your work,saying it was against the law of physics !!! ~ really
Well I've looked all through it from front to back and can't find anything that's not stretching the boundries of physics.Rather it seems all well
thought out,straightfoward,beautifully simple and concieved to be used by anyone willing enough to learn a thing or two.***
Once I've gone out and properly looked at my 1ZZ-FE motor I can plan the layout and capacity of my hydrogen generator/fuelling system.When you look
under the bonnet of my avensis you'll see how packed with components and systems it is besides the engine and gearbox so it'll need to be robustly
made and the layout fully thought out.
When I get it working i'll happily report it's benefits and drawbacks
edit on 6/10/12 by fastbob72 because: added few lines