Originally posted by autowrench
Well, boncho, I see you have followed me over here too. I do not go through "gallons" of water. I fill my jars with the mix, and drive. Some water is taken by the electrolysis process, but in a normal 200 mile trip we lose but a little of the water. I keep a gallon milk jug of the mix in the back, so I can refill the jars with they are contaminated with Iron Oxide, and when they "lose" some of the Electrolytes from constantly producing HHO. Like I said, I have been running this system, in various configurations for more than two years now. I love it, and now would not run a car without one. In our town, there are three others running these, one is a woman, and one couple running an Oldsmobile Diesel on vegetable oil. If fact, I ran into them in Autozone, they were looking for injector cleaner, saying that the oil contained impurities and was clogging their injectors. I suggested that they use a charcoal water filter to filter out the impurities.
Most everyone hates the prices of gasoline, not to mention that the Carbon and Sulphurous deposits left by the combustion process ruins an engine in a few hundred thousand miles. As a mechanic, I have taken apart many old engines that were very nasty with the stuff. By comparison, last year we pulled the cylinder heads on our van, and were surprised to find the valves and chambers were as clean as could be.
If his ideas were not feasible then I entirely doubt that:
1.) He would have been worthy of a valid United States Patent which was proven to function as his patent application had defined.
2.) He would have prematurely died ONLY after having first refused to sell the rights to his patentand after having been warned.
Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by boncho
I did not ask for, or expect anything from you friend, but a distinct trolling action on something you cannot refute, and cannot build to test for yourself, you would have already if you were able to. I will have you know there are now four people in my town running my design. No, I didn't sell it to them, in fact, I provided instructions, drawings, and a parts list. I did not hit them with a lot of science talk, these are real people, with real jobs to drive to, and real children to feed. I do not care if you do not believe me, I don't expect you to. Your kind never does believe anything until it smacks you in the face. Enjoy those high gas prices! And enjoy the little bitty car you drive! The people that want to run one of these will do it, whether you like it or not.
The Discovery of Electrolysis
Electrolysis was independently discovered by two different scientists in 1800. English chemist William Nicholson, working with Anthony Carlisle, first used electrolysis to decompose water into hydrogen and oxygen. German chemist Johann Ritter also discovered electrolysis later the same year. In the first decade of the 19th century, English chemist Humphrey Davies used the new technology of electrolysis to discover many previously unknown elements, including potassium and sodium.
know that you don't read much, or research anything, that is plainly evident in your posts. So, I will do the work for you. Here is a very good breakdown on the technology, it has math equations to satisfy you on that, and explains it in common terms that even you can understand.
About Xogen Technologies Inc. Based in Orangeville, Ontario, Xogen Technologies Inc. (www.xogen.ca) is a privately held developer of pioneering wastewater treatment and renewable energy technology. The patented Xogen technology treats wastewater using an electrolytic process that also produces a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen gas. The hydrogen oxygen gas may be used to generate energy through combustion or a fuel cell − energy that can be sold back to the grid or re-used to help further reduce costs. At the heart of Xogen's technology is a patented reactor that is able to rapidly treat raw wastewater in fewer steps, thereby eliminating many unit processes used with conventional approaches. The resulting treatment train requires a much smaller footprint, thereby lowering capital costs. Together with the ability to reuse the by-product oxygen hydrogen gas, the Xogen process improves significantly on the overall economics of wastewater treatment.
Okay so it was 14mpg to 32 mpg. You have basically doubled the distance your vehicle can travel. A 14 mile trip would have used roughly... 128.52 MJ But you are saying you can now get a 32 miles on this amount of energy from gas.
Just how dumb can you be? One more time. The HHO gas takes the place of the gasoline.
Originally posted by nh_ee
Our gasoline engines are designed to function at a 14.6:1 Fuel to air Ratio.
What is occurring with your experiments is that in leaning the engine of Gasoline you are adding not only Hydrogen but Oxygen as well into your engine.
In an engine designed to work with Gasoline and Oxygen at a 14.6:1 Ratio
An example of this in application are the Top Fuel Methanol Dragsters which run a fuel of lower volatility but with the addition of supercharging compresses the air fuel mixture to unheard of levels of combustion and horsepower.
And as to how and why they are able to generate so much horsepower from common displacement V8 engines.
Don't sweat it Autowrench, you are actually working with Chemistry and Stoichiometry but because you are not a laboratory are unable to produce the "Numbers" to explain your results.
You haven't the measurement and analysis equipment to even produce the numbers that are being requested of you if you could.
If People realized that they could save money on Gasoline by using your device and tap water they most certainly would.
Originally posted by autowrench
Thanks for sticking up for me. I have explained that this device does in fact lean the mixture:
Down to near 30:1 Air/Gas on the highway side.
And any mechanic worth his salt know that an excessively lean mixture will eventually melt holes in the pistons, but even before that, it will burn the engine beyond repair, lock it up. So, if one leans the gas in the mixture, something else must take it's place. This is where the HHO gas comes in. We have been running this reactor for more than two years now, and if the 350 engine was running too lean, it would have locked up two years ago. It runs very smooth and strong, and burns clean.
What we have here with these people demanding that I give them numbers and such is that they are like the dog on the haystack. They have no desire to build, or run such a device, but want to make sure you do not want to either. So, the bark and bark and bark, you get tired of hearing their barking, and look for other ways to save gas.
I did not even have to post about this in here. I could just as easily kept it all for myself. But, I am a long time Automotive Tech, and I know how people depend on their cars, and I know how much gasoline costs. So, I thought I would help. If I had known how much my idea was going top be ridiculed, and attacked, I would have. I have some other good gas saving tips too, but I'm keeping those close to the vest.