Glenn Greenwald Destroys MSNBC's Israeli lapdog Apologist

The best part of this entire "interview" is that Glenn can't own up to the fact that in his eyes there is no outrage at what Egypt is doing - only at what Israel is doing.

Very typical attempt to be chic and en vogue with liberal politics. "What they're doing is criminal..."

You're right, so is what Hamas is doing to Israel - but we don't want to talk about that.

If the United States "democratically elects" in the KKK to congress - does that make it legal if they start lynching black people again?

The absurd level of arrogance in this completely subjective opinion is so typical of the young liberal mindset these days.

You have an opinion on something - fine. But please don't assume some moral high ground or authority because of what you "feel". Walk in both pairs of shoes before you throw stones.

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Did you watch the interview? He said both Hamas and Israel are at fault. But, in this instance, Israel could have handled it much better.

Originally posted by Pha3drus
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Did you watch the interview? He said both Hamas and Israel are at fault. But, in this instance, Israel could have handled it much better.

I did watch the interview...

Saying they are at fault - but then having no anger or indignation towards them for their fault is illogical.

That's like me saying "well sure Israel could have handled it better - but those men on the ships that beat the soldiers should be arrested!".

The statement he made was an attempt to disarm anyone who'd point out the unreasonable standard that he's using to judge one side of this overly complex situation. He wants to force his opinion of what's going on over there down your throat regardless of the facts - and to cover up the aggressiveness of it he uses statements with little to no meaning.

If he really feels that Hamas is in the wrong - in any way - there would not such righteous indignation towards Israel for their actions.

Originally posted by Peruvianmonk
reply to post by thedarklingthrush

 

It's that Spitzer?!!!! Wow MSNBC sure do not check the backgrounds of its employes.

Exactly what I thought.
What the hell is he doing hosting a show?

- Lee

Originally posted by Washed
Wow; I didn't realize ATS had this many anti-Semites.

First, this wasn't attacking a ship on the open sea, that's simply propoganda. Israel was enforcing a blockade against a terrorist group they are at active war with, that was attempting to openly defy thier blockade.

Remember blockades, like the US did against Cuba.

In fact, the truth is Israel allows more than just food and medical aid in, they have decided to also allow concrete and steel through, which could be used agains them as bunkers or missile defenses. Israel is very kind to their advesary.

Seriously people, would you rather be an Arab in Israel (not really a problem) or a Jew in Arab lands (almost none because of their blind hatred).

Self-fulfilling prophecy? Not really, how about a Satanic inspired enemy that won't quit. The Arab/Moslem hatred of Israel is completely irrational, born of blind hatred, like you hear from Iran.

Israel has openly stated and shown tolerance for thier Arab/Palestinian neighboors, while the other side simply wants to annihilate Israel and launches thousands of missles that hit innocent men women and children.

IF the Palestian people are "anemic" (false) it would be because of the BILLIONS in international aid that first the criminal terrorist Yasser Arafat withheld FROM HIS OWN PEOPLE. You see, if too many get out of thier refugee camps, the PA/PLO won't get their payments. They have DEFRAUDED thier own people to get rich (HOW ELSE WAS YASSER ARAFAT A BILLIONAIRE WHILE HIS PEOPLE SUFFERED?????????).

OK, let the irrational responses begin. Unfortunately for you, in this case Israel is completely in the right, and your hate will not change that.

" I will bless those who bless you, and curse those who curse you" That was God on Israel, any of you bigots who disagree with that can move to Iran or Saudi Arabia, your choice.

That's what I thought, complete hippocrites with no legitimate arguments, just ignorant hate and intellectual masturbation on the topic bearing no fruit. Shame on those who deny Israel her right to defend herself from rapant smuggling and terrorists. You would want this for yourself. Don't reply if you can't do so without being a complete hippocrite. If you want protection from terrorist, shut your mouth.

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ANOTHER PRO ISRAEL PROPAGANDA AGENT. Im sorry but your post contains everything from ill informed facts to downright lies. Anyone can check the facts out for themselves if so enclined. Just make sure you watch unternation undependant news like the BBC etc

Here it is, proven for everyone how the Israel propaganda/blackmail machine works.

Once upon a time, Eliot Spitzer was a man who was considered for the people, and a politician with integrity. He took on Big Business in several lawsuits, winning important victories for consumers over corporations and banksters.

He then set out to take on Wall Street.

All of a sudden, he is at the center of prostitute allegations, all over the media NATIONWIDE. He is forced out of his governorship, and the Wall street cases quietly go away.

Flash forward a couple years. Wall Street has fallen and risen, banksters have been bailed out, and now the only way poor Eliot Spitzer can get a job is to toe the company line about Israel.

Did you see how embarrassed he looked when confronted by actual facts? As a lawyer, he knew he was fighting a lost case. But he has to get up there and do it, because his masters command it, and he is their dog.

Originally posted by gncnew
The best part of this entire "interview" is that Glenn can't own up to the fact that in his eyes there is no outrage at what Egypt is doing - only at what Israel is doing.

Didn't Egypt just open it's Gaza border to allow Palestinians to cross into their territory for assistance?
Nevertheless Israel still won't let them give Palestinians any concrete or steel. That goes through them.

Egypt has also convinced Israel not to close the borders during any cease-fire violations. Lets also not forget that Egypt allowed a large number of the 1.5 million Palestinians to enter it's territory after they punched a hole in the former Israeli Gaza Strip barrier. They were allowed to enter for at least 11 days.

Lets be honest, Egyptian leadership is corrupt, they want that 2 billion a year from the U.S. and willing to play alongside Israel but I didn't see them on those Helicopters. I didn't see them illegally shooting civilian protesters on the flotilla and trying to justify it as self-defense.

This blockade is Israels baby, half-halfheartedly backed up by the U.S., and they will be the ones defending it to the death not Egypt.

If Egypt wanted to show any solidarity they'd have been right alongside Israel during the raids. Egypt's leaders know that they would face further outrage from its people if they did.

If the United States "democratically elects" in the KKK to congress - does that make it legal if they start lynching black people again?

Not the same thing at all. That isn't what is happening now between the Palestinians and Israel nor will it ever.

Israel isn't being oppressed by Hammas, and Hammas isn't hindering the rights of Israelis by pushing legislation that will restrict their access to jobs, stores, or other areas of normal life. They live in two separate societies but the example you use would require an entirely different scenario which would depend on power and control.

The position of power and control lies squarely on the shoulders of Israel by comparison which should be obvious considering the blockade and the level of collective punishment inflicted onto those of Gaza. A complete violation of the articles of the Geneva convention as well as the U.N. and with almost universal condemnation.

Sorry but that statement would apply to Israel much better than Hammas.

If anyone is getting lynched it's the Palestinian people under the boot of heinous collective punishment and Israels notion of a starvation "diet". As powerful as Israel is, they seem to constantly pretend to be meek and vulnerable by comparison to Hammas and the impoverished Palestinians.

It's silly.

For the record (unfortunately) members, past members and affiliates of the KKK have been elected into political office in the United States.

No lynching didn't become acceptable.

The absurd level of arrogance in this completely subjective opinion is so typical of the young liberal mindset these days.

When referring to the blockade, humanitarian crisis in Gaza, and the legality of Israel lethally policing waters they have no reason to, Greenwald stated facts not subjective opinions.

Agreeing with those points has nothing to do with being young or liberal and you should cut back on those condescending and polarizing labels if you really want to paint yourself as the enlightened elder.

- Lee

Originally posted by Washed
Wow; I didn't realize ATS had this many anti-Semites.

If you can't enter into a civil discussion without relying on name-calling you shouldn't.

Remember blockades, like the US did against Cuba.

No because that didn't happen.

The U.S. didn't impose any such thing against Cuba.
It was an EMBARGO not a BLOCKADE.

We still have it in effect by the way.
We won't however be lethally attacking any foreigners who are traveling there on the open waters. We didn't tell the world they can't go there.

Do yourself a favor and read about the U.S. embargo of Cuba before you erroneously compare it to Israels blockade of the Gaza Strip.

* wiki links

- Lee

The Zionist word game is very dangerous. You're perverting the term "anti-semite". It starts to sound like a badge of honor ...

out of the 6 boats only one had an incident. The one that attacked the 3 IDF commandos and tried killing them. The first commandos that landed on the boat had paint balls, the second wave after they were attacked kicked ass and any army would.

if it were a russian ship they would have all been dead so enough with the hypocracy

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You conveniently leave out the little pesky detail that the boat was boarded illegally by the IDF. They were enforcing an illegal Israeli blockade while the boat was still in International Waters.

Amnesia is spreading like wildfire in certain circles ...

I start to believe that Al Qaeda (or the CIA) has infiltrated ATS and are posing as Zionist Israel supporters just to stir the pot. Honestly, some of their pro-Israel arguments are just plain stupid and really make no sense.

Originally posted by Tie No Bows!
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Check your map, I think youll find that international waters are pretty clearly marked tp protect people from situations like this.

www.icrc.org...

SECTION VII : CAPTURE OF NEUTRAL CIVIL AIRCRAFT AND GOODS

153. Neutral civil aircraft are subject to capture outside neutral airspace if they are engaged in any of the activities in paragraph 70 or if it is determined as a result of visit and search or by any other means, that they:

(a) are carrying contraband;
(b) are on a flight especially undertaken with a view to the transport of individual passengers who are embodied in the armed forces of the enemy;
(c) are operating directly under enemy control, orders, charter, employment or direction;
(d) present irregular or fraudulent documents, lack necessary documents, or destroy, deface or conceal documents;
(e) are violating regulations established by a belligerent within the immediate area of naval operations; or
(f) are engaged in a breach of blockade.

67. Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:

(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture;
(b) engage in belligerent acts on behalf of the enemy;
(c) act as auxiliaries to the enemy s armed forces;
(d) are incorporated into or assist the enemy s intelligence system;
(e) sail under convoy of enemy warships or military aircraft; or
(f) otherwise make an effective contribution to the enemy s military action, e.g., by carrying military materials, and it is not feasible for the attacking forces to first place passengers and crew in a place of safety. Unless circumstances do not permit, they are to be given a warning, so that they can re-route, off-load, or take other precautions.

SECTION II : METHODS OF WARFARE

Blockade

93. A blockade shall be declared and notified to all belligerents and neutral States.

94. The declaration shall specify the commencement, duration, location, and extent of the blockade and the period within which vessels of neutral States may leave the blockaded coastline.

95. A blockade must be effective. The question whether a blockade is effective is a question of fact.

96. The force maintaining the blockade may be stationed at a distance determined by military requirements.

97. A blockade may be enforced and maintained by a combination of legitimate methods and means of warfare provided this combination does not result in acts inconsistent with the rules set out in this document.

98. Merchant vessels believed on reasonable grounds to be breaching a blockade may be captured. Merchant vessels which, after prior warning, clearly resist capture may be attacked.

99. A blockade must not bar access to the ports and coasts of neutral States.

100. A blockade must be applied impartially to the vessels of all States.

101. The cessation, temporary lifting, re-establishment, extension or other alteration of a blockade must be declared and notified as in paragraphs 93 and 94.

Edit: This is interesting, too.

102. The declaration or establishment of a blockade is prohibited if:

(a) it has the sole purpose of starving the civilian population or denying it other objects essential for its survival; or
(b) the damage to the civilian population is, or may be expected to be, excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated from the blockade.

The law is pretty clear. I guess what needs to be clarified is whether the Gaza Territory is a "State" as defined by law

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Lee;

I actually respect your opinion. I appreciate the time and responsibility you've put into your responses. However, my point isn't specifically that Israel is justified or that they're in the right.

More my point is that Israel is being held to a measure in this instance that completely ignores the perspective of history surrounding their situation and is outrageously more sever than the reaction to more egregious actions by other states.

I suspect that the anti-Israeli sentiment has less to do withe their religion/nationality than it does with pop culture and what's "easy". When Russia invaded Georgia for kicks and grins the entire world hem-hawed about it because it was a territorial dispute. When Iran started shooting protesters just months ago the world collectively yelled "tisk tisk!".

But suddenly in this situation the world is losing their minds like Israel just set off a nuke in Palestine.

My issue is not with the reaction specifically to Israel. My issue is with the unbalanced reaction to Israel or more importantly the non-reaction to everything else.

Is anyone calling for the eradication of the political leadership of Hamas when they're attacking Israel? Is anyone calling for the UN to over throw the Saudi's or Iranian political leadership when they stone women for showing their ankles?

This is the stuff that drives me insane. We pick and choose our "angry" buttons and ignore injustice all around us because we want the easy target.

Jumping on the Israeli bandwagon is easy because they've got the biggest stick in the region and the Palestinian refugees make a very compelling picture. You don't have to really research much there to "feel" bad for them.

But again - it's mystifying how anyone can drum up such outrage at a moment's notice yet completely ignore every day tragedy around them.

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