Cement? Israel commits murder over cement?

Forgive me if I am late to the party here, or if this has already been brought up. With the pleathora of threads on this topic, it is very hard to sort through.

I just read this article:
www.cnn.com...

Nevermind that the author is simply an Israeli Apologist. The thing that struck me was the fact that Israel illegally borded this ship, and murdered people, over CEMENT. Not weapons. Not anything that can be weaponized. It was cement, that "could be used for building bunkers".

I am not an advocate of war. But if Israel DID murder these people over nothing more than cement, retribution is in order.

"On Monday, Israeli ships stopped a flotilla carrying materials that could be used for war, including cement that Israel maintained could be used to build bunkers, to Hamas-ruled Gaza."

Wow. While reading, I thought the story would list other "materials that could be used for war", but they don't. The only material cited was cement. Really?

Well, they have designs of their own for Gaza and don't like the idea of permanent structures that cement would allow.

Israel was within it's rights per international law.

According to the San Remo Manual that governs international humanitarian law, it is permissible under rule 67(a) to attack neutral vessels on the high seas when the vessels “are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they ... intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or ...intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture.”

San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea 1994

Prepared by International Lawyers and Naval Experts. Convened by the International Institute of Humanitarian Law. Adopted in June 1994.

www.icrc.org...


And even according to Oslo.

Gaza-Jerico of 1994, Agreement annex 1, Sec 1.b paragraph 4

As part of Israel's responsibilities for safety and security within the three Maritime Activity Zones, Israel Navy vessels may sail throughout these zones, as necessary and without limitations, and may take any measures necessary against vessels ...suspected of being used for terrorist activities or for smuggling arms, ammunition, drugs, goods, or for any other illegal activity. The Palestinian Police will be notified of such actions, and the ensuing procedures will be coordinated through the Maritime Coordination and Cooperation Center.

www.mfa.gov.il...

So, there you have it. One by international law, the other per Israel and PA agreement. Israel was and is within it's right.

Originally posted by Yitro
Israel was within it's rights per international law.

According to the San Remo Manual that governs international humanitarian law, it is permissible under rule 67(a) to attack neutral vessels on the high seas when the vessels “are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they ... intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or ...intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture.”

San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea 1994

Prepared by International Lawyers and Naval Experts. Convened by the International Institute of Humanitarian Law. Adopted in June 1994.

www.icrc.org...


And even according to Oslo.

Gaza-Jerico of 1994, Agreement annex 1, Sec 1.b paragraph 4

As part of Israel's responsibilities for safety and security within the three Maritime Activity Zones, Israel Navy vessels may sail throughout these zones, as necessary and without limitations, and may take any measures necessary against vessels ...suspected of being used for terrorist activities or for smuggling arms, ammunition, drugs, goods, or for any other illegal activity. The Palestinian Police will be notified of such actions, and the ensuing procedures will be coordinated through the Maritime Coordination and Cooperation Center.

www.mfa.gov.il...

So, there you have it. One by international law, the other per Israel and PA agreement. Israel was and is within it's right.

That's certainly up for contention, but either way, you cannot seriously consider cement a viable reason for murder. Period.

Retribution should be swift. The terrorist Israeli military needs to be held accountable for their crimes.

Forget the cement, there were far worse things aboard those vessels - according to the Israelis anyway - including ............ wheelchairs and children's toys!!!!!!

www.jpost.com...

No wonder the Israelis woud kill rather than let such despicable things be brought ashore.




Talk about paranoid ........ Israel makes the king lunatic in the assylum for lunatics in lunaticland look a complete lunatic. They have totally lost it.

In 100 years we will only be able to read about Palestine in forbidden history books. What Israel is doing will completely eradicate the Palestinian people off the map. Many Palestinians will simply assimilate, while many more will die of hunger disease, or war "accidents." The rest will be called terrorists and dealt with.

Cement can be used to make bricks... which are dangerous

Did you people watch the video of the "murderous attack"? Those soldiers were attacked as they were boarding the boat, which they had every right to do. Mostly it was self defense. Quit picking on Israel and learn your history.

Cement, toys, blankets and candy etc etc. it all makes for a good story.

This flotilla absolutely had no intention of ever making it through a WELL KNOWN BLOCKADE. They were warned countless times and the IDF even offered to offload cargo prior to the conflict. blah blah blah. Just like all of the aid ships in the past.

This was a provocative event. This flotilla was ready for trouble from day one. Why do you think Cyprus turned them away?

End of story. They got what they wanted. Press coverage and a fresh batch of martyrs.

Why else would they combine "peace advocates" and militants on the same vessels??

Where was Cynthia McKinney? I'm sure she wouldn't have touched this event with a 100 foot pole. This was never a peaceful mission folks.

They were looking for trouble. They cast the bait and the Israelis took a bite.

And so it continues with a new fervor and even greater hatred for each other. The same hatred is perpetuating at a rapid rate on ATS as well.

Originally posted by shadwgirl
Did you people watch the video of the "murderous attack"? Those soldiers were attacked as they were boarding the boat, which they had every right to do. Mostly it was self defense. Quit picking on Israel and learn your history.

Shame on you, so shooting people for bringing in aid and building supplies is fine? Learn your history, the history of mossad and all the terrible things Israel has done. Oh! and stop implying Israel is the victim, they are 9 times out of 10 the aggressor as recent history shows.....

Originally posted by shadwgirl
Did you people watch the video of the "murderous attack"? Those soldiers were attacked as they were boarding the boat, which they had every right to do. Mostly it was self defense. Quit picking on Israel and learn your history.

It was self defense? They board a ship, whose crew doesnt just roll over for them, so they murder, and its self defense?

The Israel apologists are seriously reaching on this one.

This was never about anything but breaking the blockade.

Once the blockade was broken then they would start bringing in contraband.

Two things Israel is blocking is cement and heavy wall steel pipe.
They will allow PVC pipe but not steel pipe because Hamas was building rockets with the steel pipe.

Israel has already found the Hamas cement bunkers.

Oh Israel would also like to block grain sacks but has been unable to so far.
grain sacks are used by Hamas as sand bags for there fighting positions.

Hezbollah and Iran needs the blockade broken so the can get large number of rocket into Gaza.
Hezbollah does not want to start firing rockets into Israel again unless Hamas is firing at the same time.
This will split the Israeli forces into trying to attack Lebanon and Gaza at the same time
good luck with that as Israel has the army to fight on two fronts.

reply to post by ANNED


It wont be on two fronts. It will be against every neighboring nation. Israel is not invincible.

reply to post by Yitro


Humm...your account was created just yesterday and all your posts are identicle copy paste job's..all on the one subject...SHILL much?

Now back on topic..the thing that get's me is that there is no actual list of items that are baned for Gaza.It's just something they make up as it goes along..depending on what kind of day the border guards are having i guess.

Big thumbs down for israel.

MACK