No Sissy Boys Allowed.

reply to post by andy1033

One day this whole male female thing will be gone hopefully, and i do not think anyone can really stop it and its just meant to be.

I certainly hope not. I love women just the way they are, good looking, soft, warm & smelling good. Playful naughtiness is a lot of fun too. Women are just wonderful.

I suppose it's down to what you believe a man is, If you think it's an emotionally stunted dockworker who's only recourse to conflict is a fist then I can see why you'd think they're on the way to extinction. Good riddence.

When I was in school, I was taught that "If" by Rudyard Kipling was a fairly good guide to what being a man means. Seems to work pretty good for me. It's a nice poem anyway.

If

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools;

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on";

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch;
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!

reply to post by TiM3LoRd

yeah because testosterone fueled mass murder has worked out for us so well over the last oh i dont know say 120 to 150 thousand years..

yeah this is definitely the cycle we need to propagate. we wouldn't want people to be peaceful and actually NOT want to kill each other. who would want that?

Don't worry the military is working on that.

www.foxnews.com...

Air Force Considered Gay 'Love Bomb' Against Enemies

WASHINGTON — The Air Force on Tuesday confirmed a report that in 1994 a military researcher requested $7.5 million to develop a non-lethal "love bomb" that would chemically alter the state of mind of enemy troops and make them want to have sex with each other rather than fight.

Air Force spokeswoman Lt. Col. Cathy Reardon said the idea was proposed by an Air Force researcher at a lab at Brooks Air Force Base in Texas, but it was rejected by the Defense Department. Officials noted that the Air Force constantly is considering funding proposals.

No money was spent, Reardon said, and no such weapons are being considered. The goal was to create a non-lethal weapon to be used against enemy troops.

First reported by KPIX-TV in San Francisco, the discovery of the "gay bomb" proposal came from a Freedom of Information Act request made by Edward Hammond of Berkeley's Sunshine Project, a watchdog group that tracks military spending.

As part of the military's goal of developing non-lethal weapons, the proposal suggested, "One distasteful but completely non-lethal example would be strong aphrodisiacs, especially if the chemical also caused homosexual behavior."

The proposal also offered other ideas, such as a "sex attractant" chemical that would make "annoying and injurious creatures" like stinging bugs more aggressive and draw them to the enemy's position. Another chemical would leave such a strong stench, the enemy would be detectable for weeks.

A portion of the proposal notes that some of the chemicals could be used on both enemy personnel and civilians and would require decontamination countermeasures to nullify the effects.

news.bbc.co.uk...

US military pondered love not war

The US military investigated building a "gay bomb", which would make enemy soldiers "sexually irresistible" to each other, government papers say.
Other weapons that never saw the light of day include one to make soldiers obvious by their bad breath.

The US defence department considered various non-lethal chemicals meant to disrupt enemy discipline and morale.

The 1994 plans were for a six-year project costing $7.5m, but they were never pursued.

The US Air Force Wright Laboratory in Dayton, Ohio, sought Pentagon funding for research into what it called "harassing, annoying and 'bad guy'-identifying chemicals".

The plans were obtained under the US Freedom of Information by the Sunshine Project, a group which monitors research into chemical and biological weapons.

'Who? Me?'

The plan for a so-called "love bomb" envisaged an aphrodisiac chemical that would provoke widespread homosexual behaviour among troops, causing what the military called a "distasteful but completely non-lethal" blow to morale.

Scientists also reportedly considered a "sting me/attack me" chemical weapon to attract swarms of enraged wasps or angry rats towards enemy troops.

A substance to make the skin unbearably sensitive to sunlight was also pondered.

Another idea was to develop a chemical causing "severe and lasting halitosis", so that enemy forces would be obvious even when they tried to blend in with civilians.

In a variation on that idea, researchers pondered a "Who? Me?" bomb, which would simulate flatulence in enemy ranks.

Indeed, a "Who? Me?" device had been under consideration since 1945, the government papers say.

However, researchers concluded that the premise for such a device was fatally flawed because "people in many areas of the world do not find faecal odour offensive, since they smell it on a regular basis".

Captain Dan McSweeney of the Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate at the Pentagon said the defence department receives "literally hundreds" of project ideas, but that "none of the systems described in that [1994] proposal have been developed".

He told the BBC: "It's important to point out that only those proposals which are deemed appropriate, based on stringent human effects, legal, and international treaty reviews are considered for development or acquisition."

reply to post by LightFantastic

Totally. I lose track of the amount of 'manga-esque' spikey haircuts I see, pink shirts, tanned bodies pumped up with roids/protein drinks. Some of these tos***s do like a bit of a battle but most are pretty feminised.

I wonder how much of it has to do with the amount of oestrogen now in our water supply from the contraceptive pill?

But yeah you're right, it has mainly been created by the media and I find it hideously pathetic, I think the term Bimblokes fits quite well.

There's no need for all guys to be tough but these guys need to realise when they are being distracted from real life.

Ch eck these freaks out!

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Originally posted by acrux
reply to post by andy1033

 

One day this whole male female thing will be gone hopefully, and i do not think anyone can really stop it and its just meant to be.

I certainly hope not. I love women just the way they are, good looking, soft, warm & smelling good. Playful naughtiness is a lot of fun too. Women are just wonderful.

i gotta agree with you on that one. but i dont think you need to be a tobacco chewing ruff as guts meat head to enjoy a soft woman. You have heard of a little thing called evolution yeah? well this theory states that a species will evolve over time and will strengthen itself by advancing characteristics that further the species. such as intelligence, not saying alpha males arent intelligent but you dont see many roided up gym junkies cracking many quantum physics paradoxes if you get my drift.

Anyway there is no right and wrong way things change and so do trends its all a cycle. things always find a way of balancing out so i wouldnt worry about it too much.

Originally posted by TiM3LoRd
reply to post by andy1033

 

are you talking about aliens?? as in the grays who "supposedly" have no sex and are asexual in nature? are you saying the human race is turning into the grays?

So in the future we all just have to go # OURSELVES, but plenty of people already do just that.


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Omg, you need to be tied up blind folded and tickle tortured.

Just a good old fashioned tickle torture...... and some therapy.

Originally posted by LightFantastic
reply to post by acrux

 

Metrosexuals have been created by the corporations via the media to open up a huge market for their products. Which company wouldn't want to have another 50% of potential customers.

Young men in the UK now think they have to have toned bodies, perma-tans, plucked eyebrows, moisturiser, hair 'product' and even make-up etc to be 'normal'.

i think this just highlights how remarkable stupid and easy to manipulate people are. regardless what i see on tv i know who i am and no amount of celebrities waxing lyrical about moisturizer is going to make me use it.

It's because of the massive amounts of estrogen that is being flushed into the water supply in the form of, among other things, birth control pills. It's affecting fish, and I imagine humans too.

www.insiderreports.com...

www.associatedcontent.com...

reply to post by getreadyalready

Now, Metrosexuals, or "Sissy Boys" are just repulsive in every way! They need a good bully in their life. If they can't be convinced to act a little manlier, then at least they can be toughened up to the point that they will get along in life a little better. There is no excuse for a man to act like a woman.

I don't like it either but this suits

Originally posted by acrux

Originally posted by TiM3LoRd
reply to post by andy1033

 

are you talking about aliens?? as in the grays who "supposedly" have no sex and are asexual in nature? are you saying the human race is turning into the grays?

So in the future we all just have to go F#CK OURSELVES, but plenty of people already do just that.

No doubt they do. why do you think the porn industry is so rampant as it is.

Originally posted by and14263
reply to post by LightFantastic

 

I wonder how much of it has to do with the amount of oestrogen now in our water supply from the contraceptive pill?

It's not just from the pill - many detergents also act as pseudo-oestrogens. Make sure you rinse those plates well!

PS Loved your 'Guido' link.

back when I was at University you had all the poser boys wearing jeans that were around your underpants. I was shamefully wanting to be like them although I never had jeans like that. The amount of girls you could get though just by looking flaming cute... it was completely crazy.

Then I remember walking into my Grandad's with some crazy haircut that cost me about £50 to £60 and he told me that I looked ridiculous. So I shaved my head, didn't pluck my eyebrows and dont shave for a few days and that's how it was until my hair grew back.

Now I'm short back and sides guy, no hair gel and as long as I get a wash every day, a shave every few days and on the odd occasion and usually on a night out some aftershave (which my dad calls cat p!ss) I am fine. Although I'm using a £50 bottle of aftershave called Intense by Issy Miyake... something I bought about 3 years ago... still have it and wont be buying it again. Personally I think the cheap umbro stuff does the job just as well.

I think It's purely a phase of the youth... I was once obsessed with a girl who liked the cute guys and then she dated this fat brute who has no looks whatsoever and has nothing of the sort that I would see as attractive... yet I'm not a woman, I was just a wannabe sissy boy. He just had a good job and education and is a man and to me it told me that I had a lot to learn and I'm glad I took that lesson.

I wouldn't want to be like Ronaldo anyways... he just has a face you really want to slap! Also my hobby job there wanting to do a photoshoot with me... I've told them I will do one photo but there wanting me to get new clothes and do my hair I've simply turned around and said no. I will gladly smile for the camera but I will not try to be something I am not all for the sake of a good picture for a website... it's stupid!

Glad I dont take too much pride in my personal appearance, just enough to get by. My main focuses are on being a man, looks are simply a secondary thought now. Personally I've just grazed a few fingers with a bottle top by accident. Deep cuts but what can you do? I nearly chopped my thumb off last year and just went oops. I know some lads that would simply cry... it's embarrassing to watch!

Well this is a rather odd thread. Quite pathetic really - yet again a thread full of people trying to say how the world should be Of course, if we were telling women they should be more feminine, that would be sexist and old-fashioned thinking.

You cannot generalise something like this. Two examples: sitting across the desk from me at this very moment is a complete and utter twat. He's quite big, plays guitar in some jazz band or something, and he acts pretty much like a typical man (since that term clearly can't apply to more sensitive or gentle people ). He bangs on the desk constantly, had broken keyboards and mice, shouts a lot, vents his anger on the vending machines upstairs and has tried to provoke me more than once. In short, he is an angry agressive prick who is just looking for a fight. When a woman walks in the room, he looks at them like someone checking out a car they are thinking of buying, or a dog watching his food being put on the floor.

That seems to be what constitutes a real man in the eyes of some posters here. Despite this 'manly' behavior, he whines and complains constantly and is always looking for validation or whatever. I cannot stand him; no one I know can stand him, male or female. He is the most ignorant and detestable moron I have ever known, and I am not one that generally dislikes people - I may like them or not, but I rarely actively dislike someone. It's just me of course, but the world does NOT need more men like him. You disagree? Anyone?

Second example: Me. I am not particularly manly, I'm quite shy and I'm terrible at talking to people. I am good, however, at knowing my feelings, helping other people feel better about themselves etc (eg a girl regularly used to come to me crying because she knew I'd make her feel better, and she'd go away smiling). I very rarely get angry and I avoid confrontation. I don't go in for 'manly' activities such as contact sports, body-building (if that can be called manly - debatable, me thinks); mostly I sit and play Mass Effect in my spare time. I'm a writer.

So am I one of these sissies? Am I a '-Snip-' as the OP moronically put it?

While the above is true of me, I am also not someone who is messed with. In school, I was a little odd and had only a few friends - the ones who were bullied, of course However, they were bullied far less when they were around me, because the bullies were scared #less of me. Some bully 5 years above me once attempted it and it ended with him grovelling on the ground, begging me not to hurt him (maybe not being proud of that makes me less of a man, huh?). Only twice in my life have I been in 'fights' - I use inverted commas because once they had made the mistake of hitting me, they were soon unconscious.

Am I still a sissy and a -Snip-? And who, exactly, are you to say so, either way? I am what I am, whatever that is. I do know one name for what I am: unclassifiable.

So what, in the exalted and informed opinions of the posters here, makes a 'real man'? Perhaps a 'real man' shouldn't know how to use a computer. Intellectuals didn't used to be manly, so perhaps you have to be stupid to be a man? Do tell...

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reply to post by Adono86

Personally I've just grazed a few fingers with a bottle top by accident. Deep cuts but what can you do? I nearly chopped my thumb off last year and just went oops.

Thats cool, there is the old saying "chics dig scars".

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im pretty sure nobody needs to prove their machismo to anybody. if you did then your not a real man. only kids do $hit like that. A real man only proves things to himself he doesnt give a dam what anybody else thinks.

ITS WEAK TO CARE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK ABOUT YOU.

think about it...

When you care what someone thinks about you. You do things seeking their approval. Giving them power over you and control over you. So if you wanna be somebody else's Bit#H go ahead...

reply to post by ShadowArcher

I guess what's getting to people is this.... These guys, like your jazz man who looks for validation, are not being themselves. Jazz man is obviously hiding a self conscious inside with his macho outside, hence the need for validation. And our sexy-boys are hiding their real selves with makeup and froliccy clothing.

I know it may not be their fault, they may have real issues, a competetive upbringing, may have been easily lead by the media but it's irritating to see so many people putting on the celebrity facade trying to be cool... when we all know the coolest people are those unafraid to be themselves.

I've ranted and probably missed the point... work calls.

Originally posted by and14263
reply to post by ShadowArcher

 

I guess what's getting to people is this.... These guys, like your jazz man who looks for validation, are not being themselves. Jazz man is obviously hiding a self conscious inside with his macho outside, hence the need for validation. And our sexy-boys are hiding their real selves with makeup and froliccy clothing.

I know it may not be their fault, they may have real issues, a competetive upbringing, may have been easily lead by the media but it's irritating to see so many people putting on the celebrity facade trying to be cool... when we all know the coolest people are those unafraid to be themselves.

I've ranted and probably missed the point... work calls.

no i think you got it pretty close. thats pretty much it. its basically people who dont know who they are so they either play the " hero" macho role or the passive metro role. either way their not going to be happy truly happy anyway.

Second example: Me. I am not particularly manly, I'm quite shy and I'm terrible at talking to people. I am good, however, at knowing my feelings, helping other people feel better about themselves etc (eg a girl regularly used to come to me crying because she knew I'd make her feel better, and she'd go away smiling). I very rarely get angry and I avoid confrontation. I don't go in for 'manly' activities such as contact sports, body-building (if that can be called manly - debatable, me thinks); mostly I sit and play Mass Effect in my spare time. I'm a writer.

So am I one of these sissies? Am I a '-Snip-' as the OP moronically put it?

There is an old saying, ïf it looks like a duck & quacks like a duck then its a duck.

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Pieman, I don't think we all have to be emotionally stunted dockworkers, and I love the Kipling poem! I like the reference to Shrek just as much though. "Ogres are like Onions, not Cakes, but Onions!" We have layers, and we are somewhat complicated.

Fighting is never the "only" solution, but it is ridiculous to take it off the table as one of the options. A man has to be "willing" to fight for what he believes, and also intelligent enough to see the whole situation, articulate his point of view, understand the other point of view, and work toward a resolution.

Unfortunately, the other party is not always so intelligent nor understanding, and when a point of impass is reached, a man should be willing and capable of defending his family, or his ideals with force when necessary. A man also has to be strong enough to endure what may come. Nobody wins every fight, and a man has to hold his head up, learn from his mistakes, refrain from being bitter or vengeful, and move on with his life lessons learned.

Maybe I am old fashioned, but when my dog of 16 years died a few months ago. I bucked up, brought in the kids (2 and 3 year olds), we layed by the dog, stroked him, talked about life and death and such, we went out in the 20 degree weather at 11:00 at night and dug a gigantic hole for a 100lb dog. We buried him by the light of the moon, we went inside and took showers, the wife put the kids to bed, and I went and had some alone time on the porch. Nobody saw me cry, I didn't wait for a better time to do what was necessary, I didn't hide the death from the kids, and I didn't back away from their difficult questions. My young boys did not need to see their father cry over a dog. They needed to see their father deal with the situation at hand promptly, sincerely, and with resolve. They were allowed to cry, nobody was going to stop them, although neither of them did. Their momma cried, because that is what momma's do! They hugged her, and she was crying and smiling at the same time.

We are men! We take the lumps for our women. We take the lumps for our families, we endure whatever life throws at us, and we keep moving forward. There is a time and a place for crying, or reflecting, or being emotional, and that time is either alone in solace, or in the arms of our woman on the rare occasions where we need put back together again!