reply to post by felonius
First, I'm assuming that your USGI.
Thank you for your service.
Actually, I'm now a disabled veteran (retired) but I appreciate your gratitude. I truly did have the time of my life and at least I like to think
that some good was accomplished at my behest.
If you have, say a boat full of iranians. They are coming to the west coast where a more militant faction of Azatlan are operating violent
attacks on Arizona. We have blockaded california waters.
Well according to this situation which is entirely different from the subject at hand, I'd follow the law and wait until they are were in my AO, then
I would peacefully investigate the situation, seeing how Iran is not now and has not been in the recent past, an aggressive nation. What I wouldn't
do, is fire at their boat and then launch commando raids onto their vessels in international waters.
However, I would make sure that I didn't find myself in this situation by imprisoning women and children on a tiny strip of land with no food,
supplies or basic necessities. I would then make sure that I wasn't committing genocide against innocent civilians in an effort to rid the region of
We attempt to contact that ship and they say they are coming for "peaceful" reasons. We say prove it. Park your boat or let us board you.
Yeah, the problem with this is that Israel is known to sink non-hostile ships in international waters. They are also known to kill Palestinians and
anyone trying to help them, even the innocent ones. This is not the first incident such as this. We have seen before what happens to those that "park
their boats" and allow IDF to board.
they begin beating the snot out of our landing party. The only weapons the party has is paintballers with cs powder and pistols (if it gets
You have to remember that Israel was firing upon these boats well before the boarding party even showed up. It would be safe to assume that many
people were already hurt prior to the first chalk of commandos. Also, we don't know what happened with the first chalk of commandos who boarded the
vessel. This first chalk could have been extremely hostile and the passengers were only fighting the subsequent chalks as a result of their actions.
Many of us here on ATS were watching it live, as it unfolded. It is a crystal clear fact that Israel started the hostilities. We watched it with our
Some bunch of humanitarians right? All "peace peace" then straight to "fight fight".
See explanation above.
What would you do, if you were aboard a boat to bring much needed humanitarian supplies in order to save lives and they told you before boarding this
boat that your odds of surviving unscathed would be slim. Based upon Israel's past actions with the same situations, they are going to try and kill
you. However, you feel that the lives of thousands are more important than your own and well worth the risk. You know from similar situations of past
that Israel will try to kill you for helping others that Israel herself is trying to wipe off the map.
Then all of the sudden, Israeli Navy boats appear over the horizon and start to fire at you. You are hearing the *bangs, *booms and *pops as fragments
of the boat begins to explode in the air like ugly, defective fireworks. The burst of the shells in the water is splashing your face with salt water,
a rough cold splash that reminds you of Mother Nature's scorn. A wood fragment from the deck of one of the boat flies through the air scratching your
cheek, making the salt water on your face burn, only to pump more adrenaline through your blood. You hear screams, cannon blasts and all out chaos as
you are being surrounded by Israeli gun-boats who have no issues with firing at you.
You clear your mind from the chaos for a second, only to remember past situations that have ended in tragedy that angers you a little. You remember
that the Israelis are here to kill you, or at least that is what you believe through your own research and activism.
Then you hear the pounding rhythm of chopper blades that reminds you of the seriousness of the situation and you think to yourself, could this be
attack helicopters coming to deal the death blow to our boat? Are they here to strafe us? All of the sudden, the pounding blades of the choppers start
to stay constant and you realize, through all of the chaos, the choppers have begun to hover over your position... and then ropes drop. In this bit of
confusion, along with all of the other chaos, screams, yells, cannon blasts, stinging pain and the engine roar of a mighty navy encircling your
position, you are confused as to why ropes would be dropped from these helicopters (remember, you most likely have no military training). Then, you
see armed commandos starting to slide down the ropes. FLASH... your hearing and eyesight goes out in one big ugly bang. You don't realize it but a
flash-bang (a sort of "stun" grenade) goes off.
Slowly but surely, your sight and hearing comes back... but to the sights and sounds you do not wish to hear or see. You look around and see your
comrades lying on the deck, half dead. You think to yourself, "this is it, I either stand and fight or perish never even having tried" (fight or
flight). You realize that the only way to survive this, if even at all, is to try and fight back, after all, there is nowhere else to go, your on a
boat. Survival instincts kick in and you realize that there are more of you than them, even though you are far out-gunned. If you can only stand this
one time, for the sake of your own petty life, you just may have a small chance at survival.
Multiply that chaos by about 150x and change a variable or two. What would you do???
The bottom line is that they were in international waters and it was a raid, not an ordinary boarding party.
[edit on 1-6-2010 by airspoon]