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Strange Crater Left After Storm Kills 115 In Guatemala. Signs Of HAARP?

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posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 08:49 AM
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Here are the threads from the last time this happened.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

More on this sinkhole.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...


As for this being H.A.R.R.P., I see no connection to it what so ever. I do not trust the thing but I would not blame it in this instance.

Raist




posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by OurskiesRpoisoned
Please, show them to me. I would find that interesting information. Perfectly round sinkholes with no bottom showing up everywhere.


Raist posted a number of them. Do you need more? Hundreds popped up on a GIS for florida sinkhole. Not all of them were as clean cut as this, but some were hundreds of feet deep and quite clean.



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by OurskiesRpoisoned
The amount of debunkers jumping in to say this hole is nothing highly suggests this was HAARP gone wrong.


More like it highly suggests no one is biting on your concept, because it makes no sense whatsoever.

Sort of like you wondering if "Satan was loosed". I dunno, does he live in a cenote 200 feet below downtown Guatemala City? I always thought he'd be in Las Vegas, personally.



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by OurskiesRpoisoned
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Hole appears to be about 90 feet deep, before it disappears into oblivion.

Show me where in history this has happened before.

Is your name alaskan because you work at the HAARP facility?

haha, yes, I'm also santa clause



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 01:06 PM
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See my post directly below this one I am responding too.

It happened there already in 2007. Yep same country, holes very deep and nearly perfectly round.

Sinkholes happen. They are a bit freaky because we are not sure if we are going to be dropped into the earth out of the blue.

But yes this has happened before, very close to exact in fact.

Raist



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 03:11 PM
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I was just going to post this. You beat me to it. This is strange. It looks like a huge hole. I hope it doesn't get any bigger.



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 03:22 PM
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Gotta love ATS. Strange hole shows up, someone mentions HAARP, and suddenly everyone is a sinkhole expert.

Sorry, I don't buy the disinfo. Others may, but I don't.



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 03:37 PM
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Here is a vid from the bottom of the 2007 hole. Nothing special just sewage eroding limestone for decades.



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This is about the current hole.

This story in the local paper says that neighbors had informed the city officials, EMPAGUA (water company) and CONRED (Gov dept in charge of disaster managment) about strange sounds coming from the ground.

The theory is that heavy transport has over the years caused cracks in the joints of the sewage system which caused the leaks which led to the erosion of the earth below.


[edit on 1-6-2010 by daskakik]



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 03:44 PM
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Sorry, a perfect hole where the dirt disappears after 90ft + thick earth just disappears??

Is the govt putting extra fluoride in your water? This thing is not natural.

Show me the force that can push a 30' X 90' round plug out of the earth, and make is disappear into what has not been shown yet, which is the bottom.

To those that think this is just a sinkhole, take your comments to the other thread. I posted this in a conspiracy forum, for a reason.

If you see no conspiracies in the world, why the hell are even on ATS, other than you are there to protect government secrets.



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by OurskiesRpoisoned
Sorry, a perfect hole where the dirt disappears after 90ft + thick earth just disappears??

Is the govt putting extra fluoride in your water? This thing is not natural.

Show me the force that can push a 30' X 90' round plug out of the earth, and make is disappear into what has not been shown yet, which is the bottom.

To those that think this is just a sinkhole, take your comments to the other thread. I posted this in a conspiracy forum, for a reason.

If you see no conspiracies in the world, why the hell are even on ATS, other than you are there to protect government secrets.


Don't know if that was directed at me but the vid above your last post is from the bottom of the 2007 hole that was 330 feet deep. The erosion took place probably over decades.

If it is just a sinkhole then your theory is debunked (the other reason for ATS).

[edit on 1-6-2010 by daskakik]



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 04:07 PM
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i have to agree it does not look like an average sink hole, nor does it look like photo shop. for this too happen hundreds of tons of soil had to be moved or displaced somewhere? the diameter of the hole is too perfect in nature as most sink holes do not go down in a nice perfect circle hole, they go down in various shapes and sizes. i have to laugh as deny ignorance on ats has me alarmed to think that so many on this sight are so easily swayed that this is just a natural occurance! looks any thing but normal to me



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by daskakik
Here is a vid from the bottom of the 2007 hole. Nothing special just sewage eroding limestone for decades.



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So many things wrong in that video. Who buries a drainpipe at 300' deep?
Where is the big pile of dirt? Why would drainpipes be running through a hollow cavern?

Camera pans up, to look out hole. Judging the length of the hanging fabric (what are they hiding behind that?) to be around 40', the whole appears to be maybe 150' at the most.

Where are they getting the 300+ depth measurement from?



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by OurskiesRpoisoned
Sorry, a perfect hole where the dirt disappears after 90ft + thick earth just disappears??

Is the govt putting extra fluoride in your water? This thing is not natural.

Show me the force that can push a 30' X 90' round plug out of the earth, and make is disappear into what has not been shown yet, which is the bottom.

To those that think this is just a sinkhole, take your comments to the other thread. I posted this in a conspiracy forum, for a reason.

If you see no conspiracies in the world, why the hell are even on ATS, other than you are there to protect government secrets.


I would suggest that you spend some time googling "How Do Sinkholes Form?" Yes, this thing is probably perfectly natural.

Sometimes, there is no conspiracy.



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by RCarter


I would suggest that you spend some time googling "How Do Sinkholes Form?" Yes, this thing is probably perfectly natural.

Sometimes, there is no conspiracy.


WOW
WOW!

You have 65 posts in 5 yrs on ATS and you logged on to post that gem?



[edit on 1-6-2010 by OurskiesRpoisoned]



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by OurskiesRpoisoned
So many things wrong in that video. Who buries a drainpipe at 300' deep?
Where is the big pile of dirt? Why would drainpipes be running through a hollow cavern?

Camera pans up, to look out hole. Judging the length of the hanging fabric (what are they hiding behind that?) to be around 40', the whole appears to be maybe 150' at the most.

Where are they getting the 300+ depth measurement from?


Well of course I didn't get to measure it myself so I can only go by the official story.

The drain pipes ran through solid ground until the leaking sewage created the cavern around them.

Hanging fabric is to keep falling debris closer to the wall. Or so they say.

So you want conspiracy. Military bunkers, missile silos, secret jails for those against the NAU. Fine I could see the local gov doing something like that and even twice in a few years but I don't see HAARP or space based weapons.



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 06:05 PM
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Oh by all means, H.A.R.R.P. expert, tell us how that device now forms holes.

I can understand some things it doing but forming holes seems a stretch beyond comparison.

Posts have been provided about sinkholes even in the same area. Larger sinkholes than this one nearly perfectly round. You can find tons of sinkhole pictures on the internet many of them almost perfect circles. You can also find a ton of information on how they form.

As for your attack on a fellow member because of the number of their posts in so many years…..that is a pointless straw man tossed in because you have nothing better to back with. Number of posts means nothing. You can have 5 million posts but if none of them contribute squat you have said nothing. You can have five posts and have said quite a lot. A wise man once said a still tongue keeps a wise head.

So tell us how the sinkholes formed. I am very interested in your opinion on a very common occurrence. Please indulge us with your expertise in the field.

Raist



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 06:44 PM
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Read up some on the subject.
ga.water.usgs.gov...

www.swfwmd.state.fl.us...

I really suggest reading here.
www.sinkhole.org...

Interestingly enough when you read the signs of a possible sinkhole number six is circular patches of wilting plants. Why do you think they would be circular? Maybe because the hole might be circular?


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Why do sinkholes form? back to top
Sinkholes form in karst terrain principally from the collapse of surface sediments into underground cavities in the limestone bedrock. Slightly acidic ground water slowly dissolves cavities and caves in the limestone over a period of many years. When the cavity enlarges to the point that its ceiling can no longer support the weight of overlying sediments, the earth collapses into the cavity. In the less catastrophic, type of sinkhole, a bowl-shaped depression forms at the surface, usually over a considerable period of time. Well drilling data suggests that much of the underlying bedrock in Florida is riddled with cavities of differing size and depth. However, relatively few ever collapse and directly effect roads or dwellings.

Karst terrains develop in areas underlain by carbonate rocks such as limestone. They often have drainage systems that are reflected on the surface as sinkholes, springs, disappearing streams or even caves. The term karst, therefore, refers to the terrain and the term sinkhole is one of the types of drainage features reflected by that type of terrain.

In Florida you may see solution sinkholes, cover-subsidence sinkholes or cover-collapse sinkholes. The first of these three, solution sinkholes, usually occur where there is little or no sediment cover over the limestone. The rock is readily dissolved away at the ground surface or along joints or other openings. Cover subsidence sinkholes are located where thick permeable sediments cover the limestone. In this case the void in the rock is filled by sediments slumping downward from above. Eventually, the ground surface often shows a gentle circular depression. If a relatively thick layer of impermeable sediments covers the limestone there may not be a surface expression of a subsurface collapse Cover-collapse sinkholes occur where sediments that overlie the void in the rock suddenly collapse due to triggering mechanisms such as heavy rainfall, drought, or mechanical loading.

Generally speaking karst terrains are not newsworthy items. Typically, it is only when a road or house happens to be located above developing karst features such as a sinkhole that headlines are made. Since much of Florida is karstic in nature, these same processes are continually taking place. As such, there is a certain degree of risk in living on karst. However, most people accept the risk as one price to pay for living in the sunshine state.

www.dep.state.fl.us...


www.texasbeyondhistory.net...

geology.utah.gov...

Again, here is plenty of info on sinkholes. This is a sinkhole. Please provide evidence that says H.A.R.R.P. made such a thing. Also why would they use it to form such a thing?

Sinkholes are rather common. As I have pointed out many times there is another not far from the current one being discussed, that happened in 2007.

Raist



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 06:52 PM
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You make suggestions, but you don't explain how a 90 ft. thick slab sinks out of site in a circle.

I think the question, why circular, should be on an analytical mind. That's how I tell disinfo.

Truth always questions the given story until the mind is settled that the truth has been found.

My mind is far from settled on this one. Show me a picture of the bottom.



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 06:58 PM
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Venezuela is known for its Sarisarinama sinkholes: basins 1,000 feet (305 meters) wide and at least that deep that are practically perfect circles.

science.howstuffworks.com...

webecoist.com...

www.environmentalgraffiti.com...

listsoplenty.com...

Most every sinkhole on every link provided is a nearly perfect circle. If you want to learn about the subject, please check the links out there are some awesome pictures in them. If you do not want to see circular sinkholes do not click the links.

Raist



posted on Jun, 1 2010 @ 07:04 PM
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Well as I and others have mentioned. There is plenty to tell you how the hole forms in the links given. You can either deny ignorance and do some reading or you can continue to speculate that H.A.R.R.P. did this.

I have the links to explain my position. Now give me some proof of your position. Or is this nothing more than a chest puffing match? If that is the case I still have given my evidence with all the explanation needed. Do I need to quote full websites?

Either give your case (with some proof) or your positions is deflated and holds no ground (pun intended).

Sinkholes happen when acidic water eats away (erodes) types of sediment over time. At the final part, the top falls away when there is no longer enough earth below the hole to support any weight. This of course is a very generalized and rough description, for a better one go read the links.

Raist



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