Why Can't I Own a Canadian?--A Religious Letter, page 3
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reply posted on 31-5-2010 @ 05:36 PM by Blue_Jay33
People are laughing and making jest of things they don't understand.

People don't seem to understand the bible, all the laws in the old testament not confirmed by the new testament, were done away with.

Romans 7:6
6 But now we have been discharged from the Law, because we have died to that by which we were being held fast, that we might be slaves in a new sense by the spirit, and not in the old sense by the written code.


Romans 10:4 Amplified Bible
4For Christ is the end of the Law [the limit at which it ceases to be, for the Law leads up to Him Who is the fulfillment of its types, and in Him the purpose which it was designed to accomplish is fulfilled. That is, the purpose of the Law is fulfilled in Him] as the means of righteousness (right relationship to God) for everyone who trusts in and adheres to and relies on Him.


Colossians 2: 13&14
But God made you alive with Christ when he forgave all our failures. 14He did this by erasing the charges that were brought against us by the written laws God had established. He took the charges away by nailing them to the stauros'


Hebrews 7:18&19
18The former requirements are rejected because they are weak and useless. 19Moses' Teachings couldn't accomplish everything that God required. But we have something else that gives us greater confidence and allows us to approach God.


So all these arguments about slaves are strawmen.

If you have a problem as to why the old law is so different, that is a different thread. But it has everything to do with Jesus buying humanity enormous flexibility and forgiveness, something the ancient pre-christian Jews never had.

Offenses that used to be instant death sentences, were now to be treated completely differently. It truly was 180 degrees turn about. From maximum punishments to instant mercy and forgiveness.


reply posted on 31-5-2010 @ 05:37 PM by JayinAR
reply to post by tothetenthpower



Funny thing about this thread is that when I last tried to post a serious question regarding Abrahamic faith, namely the historical veracity of Jesus Christ, it was moved to BTS...

I guess this thread is popular though, so here it is. Well, as far as the scriptures go, I've seen these exact questions posed in the same order, no less, for years now. This is a common "email"... But I guess some folks have to get their feet wet sooner or later. Hopefully it will raise some questions for folks who simply parrot the cherrypicked passages they hear in church on a weekly basis.

S&F


[edit on 31-5-2010 by JayinAR]



reply posted on 31-5-2010 @ 05:49 PM by grahag
Originally posted by alienreality
Originally posted by Chamberf=6
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I am absolutely positive the writer was being sarcastic/satirical.

But if what you say is true, then that means you are saying the ten commandments don't have to be followed by Christians. So could you justify murder and cheating for me? Is that what you think? I doubt it.


OP great find and thanks for the laugh.


haha nice try, no what you are saying is not correct....
Following the new testament does not mean you can inclusively discard every single thing from the old... especially not the 10 commandments...


When you actually read or study it even a little bit you would see how the new testament was meant to be understood and how to integrate what it says with what to also do with the old.
Mostly the only old things that were meant to be discarded were all those little rules like eating pork a certain way, or is salt okay on thursdays... that kind of stuff...
You see..... by following the old rules before, it was the agreement that God fearing folks that followed the letter of those rules were being obedient to God, it was how the people showed reverance and respect to God before Christ came....
After Christ came everything was being changed. no longer following the old rules could you be saved... instead, you had to believe by faith and by stopping doing any sin, (repentance)
This was God's new covenant with mankind (the new testament)


Who makes the decision to decide what gets used and what gets discarded?


reply posted on 31-5-2010 @ 05:56 PM by LordBucket
reply to post by alienreality




old testament laws don't even apply after the Christ was born.


That is a christian perspective. Laura Schlessinger is not a christian. She is a jew.

If you're going to say that the new testmaent supercedes the old testament, then presumably it's ok to say that the book of mormon supercedes the new testament. After all, the mormons took your book and added to it just like you took the jewish book and added to it.



[edit on 31-5-2010 by LordBucket]


reply posted on 31-5-2010 @ 06:05 PM by grahag
Originally posted by For(Home)Country
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post by Chamberf=6


Perhaps you recognize that fact, but I would have to argue that many of the "enlightened" and "non-ignorant" ones here on ATS claim that no good has come out of Christianity, and no intelligence can be seen within a "religious" person. This is obviously false as intelligent people can be religious or non religious.


I find it fascinating that religious people use flawed documents to live their lives by. In the IT industry, we call that GIGO (Garbage In, Garbage Out).

What's less fascinating, and more than a bit scary is how people use religion to validate their bias, bigotry, or hate. Doing that just makes your religion look bad.

Love your neighbor as you love yourself. It's a tenet of ALL major religions. There is not a major religion and almost no minor religions that don't have something based on "The Golden Rule". Yet, I see people going against it all the time. It's too bad the bible has so many inconsistencies. Overall, it's a great set of stories, and I'm sure many would find worth if it weren't for the drivel people get out of it.


reply posted on 31-5-2010 @ 06:05 PM by derfred33
reply to post by mateandbucky06



just a small detail, the bible is not a book in the sense we usually mean it, it is simply a compilation of stories. there were other stories circulating at that time and those stories included are probably not originals.

it was created to establish a base on which a confused and somehow contradictory religion was being developed.

the bible is an agreement. many people had the chance to argue about its contents.

the new testament or the bible as we call it could be re edited today with the same legitimacy as it was done 1700 years ago.



reply posted on 31-5-2010 @ 06:35 PM by Blue_Jay33
Originally posted by LordBucket
reply to
post by alienreality




old testament laws don't even apply after the Christ was born.


That is a christian perspective. Laura Schlessinger is not a christian. She is a jew.

If you're going to say that the new testmaent supercedes the old testament, then presumably it's ok to say that the book of mormon supercedes the new testament. After all, the mormons took your book and added to it just like you took the jewish book and added to it.


Jesus was Jewish and had the power to end the Mosaic law superseding it.
The book of Mormon is not accepted on the same level as the bible by either Christians or Jews.
The book of Mormon is on about the same level to the Apocrypha.
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